TWG CXXXI - Game of Champions

[j-rodd123]

ur doing god's work V

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Right now I really don't think I'm capable of doing that. I tried earlier but realized the only person I have reasonably close to lock clear is FoJaR, because I don't think a wolf does what he's been doing with Fiction. Don't understand his case at all.

I want to kill Tokzic mainly for his tone, but I usually want to kill him.

Jrodd rubs me the wrong way and I think he honestly overreacted to the pressure applied to James. If jrodd if a wolf I think fiction is always town. I also kind of believe Fiction when he claims he didn't know that Zenith softed that Manti was his random check.

I kind of like V based on his vocabulary this game, which is a weird read. I think his push on plop is kinda mind-meldy with me, because ever since the dawn of time and only stopping recently, I have always pushed on plop for his neutralness.

That's honestly the best I've got atm.

must suck to sub in as a wolf

[Charu]

Originally Posted by FictionJunction

I don't know if blind thought that was an actual smart move to make as a green but what's cool about a green trying to distract the reds from killing the real blue by pretending to be blue himself is that it sounds great in theory but is hard to defend after the blue dies because it's a such a convenient position for a red to be in.

Reds are in a better position to BS this because there's 0% chance of getting killed at night if the 'distractions are working,' presumably a green throwing fake blue flags will get the reds' attention. Of course, the only draw back is that a seer that is seeing this playing out should recognize that the fake blue flag person should be the first person he seers.

Now that the blue is actually dead, blind is in a convenient red player position - but I don't know that he would've figured out that Zenith was throwing out flags himself. I actually don't know the answer to this question, either. Not yet.

Since wolves can talk at night, it's likely that a smarter red made the call on Zenith and saw a sort of double opportunity in blind:

1) There's the potential narrative that blind is a green trying to help the blue. Now that the seer is dead, this will be hard to push forward but it's unlikely Zenith would have seered blind anyway.

2) If this narrative doesn't go through and blind dies tonight and he is red, this gives reds an opportunity to separate themselves from blind.

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

fiction is a wolf guys

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

oh god zenith why would you soft this hard ;_;

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[FictionJunction]

Originally Posted by Charu

Yet you have FoJaR to almost locked clear?

The fuck?

if Fojar is red he's a last minute red - not worth pursuing right now. His move is too volatile and senseless and pointless that it's not worth giving your attention to.

Focus elsewhere. He's likely green. And dumb.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

I went back through the thread and looked at the dap interactions. It seems like he was originally suspected because of his suspicions on zenith for the asskissing/hand stuff (which explains jrodd, zenith, and choof's votes), and then because he was opportunistically moving his vote and line of thought around a lot (which explains tokzic's vote). V's reasoning was that dap was using false or thin reasoning to justify his zenith suspicions, and then claims that dap "just seems a bit woofy to me." Later on, the impetus for the lynch was that it had generated a significant amount of discussion that could be used for analysis (jrodd, zenith, and fiction suggest this, although fiction never actually votes for dap) or that the wagon was the purest (my vote, although I was part of the analysis boat as well).

Of these people, I'd say that choof, V, and tokzic are the most suspicious.

V's progression on dap was telling him to just post at the onset of the game, pointing out that he's tunneling on zenith while still being noncommittal, which then leads to a more or less permanent vote on dap since he "just seems a bit woofy to me."

Choof pinged out dap for saying he was going to investigate zenith's hand stuff but then saying nevermind right after, and then continues doing so when dap does the same thing with me, and then later on agrees with tokzic's points about dap testing the waters. Choof tunneled pretty hard on dap, and his neutrality (ie saying a zenith vote is neither good nor bad, or saying he doesn't like manti's post about being purposefully UTR but then relenting after manti replies, or saying he'd like james dead but not voting for him, or calling out blind and dap for having a "fake tone" but not going into further detail) makes it seem to me like he's testing the waters and playing opportunistically as well.

Tokzic was absent for most of the phase, joked around a lot, and then tunneled on dap (the most popular wagon) using the same reasoning that everybody else on the wagon supplied, and then left the thread without ever changing his vote. However, I can't seem to recall anybody other than blind defending tokzic, which makes me suspect he's just a lazy town.

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

And now tokzic is orienting himself towards the next most popular wagon.

Hmm... I like your attention on tokzic here because I agree 100% with it.

[FictionJunction]

I think the question re: V pushing on Lames early is interesting.

[FictionJunction]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

rereading the thread I'm actually becoming pretty sold on fiction will post more on that in an hour or two

what am I posting about?

[FictionJunction]

ohhhh, I can't read

can't wait

[FictionJunction]

I don't know, I'm really feeling Jrodd guys.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

was reading zenith green and never really put his posts under the magnifying glass

never even considered that he could be the seer

LOL, but then you mentioned why he soft so hard?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by FictionJunction

and what then, what happens when I flip green fojar

I'm FoJaR for this message.

If you're green, then I'm for sure gonna go to Plop, because I think Plop would try to bus people in a logical matter (would be in his nature I think), which is what he's doing with Tokzic since Tokzic is for sure wolf atm from my view because of his playstyle.

OOPS

Originally Posted by Tokzic

fojar can i get some more reads from you besides just fiction

human or wolf i don't care i just NEED 'EM

And this is funny because he has not made reads himself that day. What a funny guy, you cool dude!

[Charu]

Aaaand, I think I'm caught up. I'll be honest, I skimmed a few posts here and there, but I think from what I saw.

Tokzic, [fiction, plop] in that order.

One of them is a wolf, I'm like 90% certain with the way Tokzic has been going about this game.

[Charu]

So with V, I already mentioned he's much more lively in this game then the other games previously as of recent, but j-rodd stated something way early in the game that said that V was not making posts to deliberately pick apart a player.

I agree, V seems to pick apart players when he's a wolf. I kind of had personal experience too with my first TWG (poor danceguy).

I think he's strong ass town

[Charu]

Plop is one of those players I wish we had a cop still for because he really does play the "diplomatic" game, so to speak. I've seen posts here that state he's been neutral, but I don't know if I would call calling someone town and others wolf to be neutral.

I mean, why is it neutral to you folks?

However, I can definitely see plop to be the sort of person to capitalize on lynching Tokzic because Tokzic is making silly posts and even contradicting some of them.

[Charu]

Okay, this was a fun productive night shift at the library, just sat here and played TWG. Good thing nothing was going on.

Time to do Library stuff now, toodles.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by Charu

LOL, but then you mentioned why he soft so hard?

because of time

he made the manti softslip post after i had gone to bed, i did not read that post until the same twg session where he had already flipped blue

i had not considered the possibility of him being the seer until knowing that he was the seer, i continue to think that he was not "obvious" about his role with the sole exception of that one post

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by Charu

And this is funny because he has not made reads himself that day. What a funny guy, you cool dude!

How is that funny?

If you read the thread, I had well established my reads at that point. As you yourself point out, all Fojar did was fixate on Fiction. Even though I agreed with his read, I didn't have any context for that read, because I didn't know what other reads he was making. Just because I made no reads that day doesn't make a lick of difference because Fojar had made no other reads the entire game.

[FictionJunction]

V/jrodd - plop

[FoJaR]

Originally Posted by Charu

Though all this MIA stuff could be easily explained by how fucking obnoxious this site is being.

I don't know if devs read these forums, but here is my raw opinion on this. It fucking blows horse ass.

At least it seems... sort of okay today.

this is why i stopped coming to FFR, which is why i didnt see the PM.