01-23-2018, 09:09 AM | #661 |
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Re: TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD
Knights and Soundwave
I am more worried about these two as a pair. Partly because I think knights kind of minimized concerns people had about Sound's stance on sun fan on d0, when he reacted to Sound's explanation of it. Also because "some good shit on knights" wasn't something I have seen Sound come back to, outside of a tiny section of the notes document. I am wondering what that was about, especially since Sound was leaning toward trusting Knights on day 0. I would like to hear from Sound on that. |
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Re: TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD
I initially leaned town on knights because I honestly haven't seen the kinda of initiative put into get a consensus together basically ever in twg. It was pretty unique. And I wanted that to continue. But with the lack of activity (yeah I know we're pointing fingers at each other with this get over it), and the recent progression on me, it feels like a convenient coast imo.
The volume stuff (besides being pretty inaccurate measure, whatever) feels like an easy way to pin down some fake af reads just to build an image of confidence. [9:15 PM] theknightsofneeee: ye i hae yet to really get a read on anyone for their posting in discord but when you say this... like how is this not just throwing yourself out the window? Most of the meat of the game is on discord. Like I don't care if you're lazy; I've read the entire fucking thing. If you can't get reads from it, that's your own damn fault and that should be punished. Like please tell me if you feel like I'm cherry picking here, but this feels like a "yeah I'm not doing shit but look at these other people not doing shit therefore don't lynch me" I guess I'd call this a scum lean; I'd love to put a place in lynch order but tbh my lynch order is shuffled from eod and I haven't had time to solidify it again. That and knocking some things off my todo list is my goal for night/first half day
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01-23-2018, 02:14 PM | #663 |
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Re: TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD
Read list because read list.
1. Cold Kitten/T-Force - Both CK/T-Force have stayed relatively under the radar. CK's only target was ben then replacement happened. T-Force didn't really contrast to CK's activity and this is making my life hard for moving him because I heavily depend on interactions here. 1 on 1 publicly known discord interaction doesn't help and he's also quiet in the main beach itself. Wolf lean until I can figure out intention vs state of the game. ben flipping town is also not a good look. 2. Celirra - I liked his early game in both the thread and discord. He felt good in voice call. He called that he was off on during the weekend so, I'm fine with the off time. I feel like the freezinice vote was silly in this situation because reuben_tate vs T-Force felt like it could go either way. Still town lean besides that. 3. star-crossed - I can't tell if I should feel safe or fear her with the longer posts. Clearly investigating, but until we get a flip that won't get clear. Recent posts are reassuring. town lean (kind of sheeping shado here, I might regret this) 4. Wayward Vagabond - I'm just going to say "diplomatic" as I already told you. Null and I think you should pick 1 idea and heavily expand on it. I also like your slot less knowing reuben_tate was town. Your voice call + interactions Day 2 helped tho. 5. Vendetta21/FreezinIce - I didn't really like how Vendetta pushed me early game because he pmuch refused to help me figure out what he's doing and I feel like he does this to avoid needing to get defensive about anything. FreezinIce is doing better with interactions, but I still think we're in potential wolf range. I'm not sure if town/wolf FreezinIce would have a different decision over reading everything as a replacement. His voice call interaction was good, but I thought the same thing in the previous ootc game. Null wolf lean (mostly because of V, but you felt like a 2nd V too) 6. Soundwave - He feels like he had multiple shortcomings in his game when it comes to the solving side. (refering to haku/sunfan alliance stuff and interactions in ddr tribe chat with before ffa lynch). I think he should still be a lynch priority unless something big happens. Wolf lean 8. j-rodd123 - You're kind of weird to me at times and you keep changing ideas fairly frequently. (refering to voice call d1 and the seer with sunfan d2) It makes me wonder if you're trying to simulate a lack of agenda or if you're uncertain about your own priorities. I still think the beginning of the game + my 1 on 1 with shado + talking to you is makes you town. 11. theknightsofneeee - This is someone who's constantly playing the catch up game and talking in bursts. It could be either because he needs to maintain some quality quota in interactions as wolf or because sick/busy/behind. It's like he's mostly here only when it matters. I don't like that. I think he should make a read list/expand thoughts or something. Null wolf lean 12. Charu - If you iso Charu in the thread and ask yourself what are his intentions during this game, you can surprisingly see a good progression here. The discord didn't really help me much figuring him out. The only weird part in the thread for me was how he went about the ffa vote switch mention he did, but besides that he looks okay. Town lean 13. DaBackpack - At one point, we were 3 who wanted Shado to shoot him early game because we couldn't get much out of him. He didn't like me for giving advice about the first reward challenge, but past that point he started playing right. He started expressing his stance in voice call/tribe chat and it was pretty straightforward. His interaction in main beach looks good too. town lean 16. thesunfan - I talked for a while about various things with sunfan early game and I didn't felt like he was trying to hide things from me. His game had ups and downs, the seer is still weird to me, but for a more recent reason. A reward challenge cannot be stolen once it was won. Sunfan mentioned that in the show this could happen, but him doing that tangent is kinda weird when he could have just asked. I think his voice call day 1 was a bit strange, but I don't clearly remember why. Also, not a fan of the "by popular demand" answer for the one shot seer on Charu. People kept beating that dead horse because we all kind of hoped you had some intention beyond that. - Null (would rather not lynch for mechanical reasons tho) |
01-23-2018, 07:23 PM | #664 |
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[00:53] star_crossed: .....Charu asked me to give him a reads list and I have basically been rambling at him for like 2 hours ??
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01-23-2018, 09:25 PM | #666 |
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Re: TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD
tbh
even though a lot of towns have died my poe is still the same LOL people keep saying "yeah there's probably a clear wolf or two" but I don't really see it unless star has been saving this up for her first wolfgame or something, and I always lose to that so I feel better than I did last night about the game
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01-23-2018, 09:59 PM | #667 |
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Alright fam, here we go. My final moments of the phase and game, man, how exciting!
So uh, this is a bit of a sticky situation, no? You may have all been wondering, but you've all recieved a PM from me asking for a reads with blurbs if you wish. Some of you did just that, some of you gave me more than that (see star's post above), and some didn't even answer (knee and freezin specifically, with freezin being active within the main chat). So, before I get killed off, I'mm-a post all these yummy pastebins from all the peeps that have sent me something! Classic Haku taking a statement and getting worried about it. This is town Haku through and through and his reads are pretty much what I'd expected it to be given his reasons. He's town bois. --- Person I'm weary of. Claimed seer, seered me, and then gets shit blasted by others that said it was a premature decision. Now... the only reason I'm not with you guys on this as strongly is due to his reactions regarding the entire debacle. He's not sprouting nonsense or trying to divert direction. Plus His town list is pretty much spot on from mine. If you want my town reads, this is it right here folks (minus j-rodd). Even thesunfan is being of j-rodd suddenly, so that's a good thing. I say, fam, trust thesunfan for the moment, okay? --- THOUGHTS Of note is... actually T-Forces differentiating opinions than the rest! He believes thesunfan, backpack, and j-rodd wolf (though the last one is a null-ish read). This is kind of opposite of what others are seeing in a sense. If this were a wolf and knew this question was coming, then probably threw names without really caring. However, his uncaring posts seem to match with his different opinions too, so there's that. I mean... he states that backpack has been not present. Feel like that's been the opposite. Unless he hasn't been paying attention to PM lands. I think a wolf would be more concerned about PM's than the thread, right? Definitely a headscratcher this one. If he's wolfin', he's doing a good job of being the "uncaring town" player. --- Not much I can say, didn't supply anything due to... sickness. That's been his excuse all phase unfortunately, and I'm not one to really push on that. I just hope this is not a wolf tactic and is actually a legit excuse. If WV doesn't deliver, I would agree to a lynch if I were alive. --- As clean cut as this is, this is the one I don't like the most. He seems to be following the flow of what others are coming up with. If T-Force is town, then this is a perfect segway because... well... me, thesunfan, and haku are thinking the same thing. It's kind of unnerving. I don't trust jrodd. ...I wonder if it's reverse psychology? --- This is another particular one. His opinions are pretty different from the rest too. He sees it possible that backpack and thesunfan can be wolves, which... honestly... I don't is IMPOSSIBLE, but it's pretty out there and I would never expect such a thing to occur. Curiously, from the rest thus far, is the only one besides Haku to really say knee is a wolf. --- star pretty much copied the exact log up above, nothing changed. --- I think this slot is town. Interesting to note is he doesn't trust Haku whatsoever. That's a unique opinion I don't think anyone literally shares. Other than that, there's plenty of emotional responses I've seen from him on the main chat that make me think he's town. Just search "H O L Y". --- Cel seems to be thinking over a lot of possible scenarios. And if his reads are to be correct, he believes the wolf between backpack and thesunfan is... thesunfan. I think he's town. --- FINAL SAY Well fam, I'm sorry I didn't play to my fullest, but I'm glad I was able to compile this last thing for yas in hopes it might be of use. I have no idea if it will be, because I'm assuming the wolves would know what I was trying to do anyways. Look at all these opinions! ... And uh... I don't have much time left, only 2 minutes and counting from when I'm typing this sentence! Err... I think the town circle is what thesunfan posted in his log, but don't trust thesunfan himself. Good luck town! |
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Previously on Survivor... At the merge, the DDR and ITG tribes disintegrated and every player merged into one camp. After a hotly contested immunity challenge, Wayward Vagabond pulled it together and walked away with immunity for the phase. At tribal council, both T-Force and Freezinice were considered by the survivors to be cast away, but managed to survive another night on the island. In the end, reuben_tate was the clear choice of the survivors to be voted off. In the night, Charu's shelter suffered from a mysterious break in one of it's walls, causing it to collapse on top of them. Unfortunately he suffered several injuries in the accident and after a thorough examination by medical, it was decided that it would be best for Charu to leave the island. They were 11 are left. Who will be voted out tonight?
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Welcome back, everybody. It's starting to get down to the wire as players dig deep and alliances are tested. With yesterday's merge, the promise of rewards and immunity are becoming more valuable. Will you be up to todays tasks? Let's find out. ----- Here are today's immunity and reward challenges: Another riddle divides you from your reward: Quote:
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01-23-2018, 10:22 PM | #670 |
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Re: TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD
I'm actually loling at charu liking sunfans reads but my exact identical ones are "go with the flow"
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01-23-2018, 11:24 PM | #671 |
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i wanted to do more in depth reads but i feel like shit
1. T-Force – There isn’t really much to go on here. I haven’t talked to him personally or ck before that but from what I’ve read mainly with his log with haku it seems like he knows what’s going on but isn’t really saying anything in thread or in the discord chat. This rubs me the wrong way and if they aren’t nightkilled I’ll be talking to him, assuming he wants to talk to me later. NULL 2. Celirra – probably town even though he hates me and wants nothing to do with me 3. star-crossed - probably putting in the most work and i feel bad looking at what i've done and comparing it to what shes done 4. Wayward Vagabond - DEAD TOWN BUT STILL TOWN. i feel bad but i'm sick and its hard to not want to sleep instead of playing twg FreezinIce - they don't want to or plan to read logs and are IN THE MOMENT a lot of the time. i'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing but i like him more than v. this is only because v was super harsh and that just may be twg v but i don't like it. also he's pointing out that the lynch pool seems to just be weak players but doesnt offer anyone else that i saw so ??? 6. Soundwave- - celery brought up a point after his vote on freezin that if anyone is taking his(celery's) vote into account for someone without them saying so then something is wrong. This happened during voice this past EOD and i can't remember if it was sunfan or soundwave that said the votes were 6/7 with ben in the lead but i remember this being said and it didnt really pop into my head until afterwards. i asked after eod if anyone could remember who said that but no one said anything. i could either be misremembering or making it up entirely I DONT KNOW. aside from this it's been mentioned that he is a lot more pushy now than town sound would be. i don't really know since i've only really ever played with soundwave in ltwg and yeah he is usually more passive as town. now sure how well that translate to this NULL MAYBE WOLF THO 7. reuben_tate - im a piece of shit and i deserve to be lynched for this 8. j-rodd123 - seems to be pretty okay with lynching anyone. not sure what to think of him maybe town but idk NULL 11. theknightsofneeee - star said that ben flipping town should clear you for me but the fact that the wagons were both sound and ben at the time before you switched to ffa makes me believe that i was looking at the wrong save. apart from this you seem to have said a lot but i don't remember most of it. WOLF LEAN 12. Charu - RIP in peace i honestly didnt think you'd die but i'm a fool for thinking a cleared town would keep on living 13. DaBackpack - i like his reactions and when we talked on voice you seemed a bit reserved but i think that is more due to you thinking im scum and wanting to hold off than you actually being scum PROBABLY TOWN 15. Hakulyte - you have a lot to say but i don't really see the solviness that i normally do and that is !!!!! i mean you might still be town but this is different from the norm. could be because ootc but ?????????? SKETCHYY 16. thesunfan - you're sketch my dude i can't really pin point why but you are sketch just not in the same way haku is sketch. i would believe haku is town before i believe you are town SKETCHHH i realize this reads list is pretty garbage and i'm also garbage but i think things wouldve played out differently had i not spent most of my time in bed dying.
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Haku reminded me of something which brings sunfan higher but still not better than haku
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It should be noted I never attributed a vote to celery. I simply double counted a vote, and the numbers added up so I thought nothing of it.
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Based off Charu's legacy work before getting the one two pew pew, I want reads lists from the two who didn't give him shit:
FreezinIce theknightsofneeee yes yes I see you cuties doing work in discord but be formal, ya? post a reads list here, tyty also dbp if you could finish yours that'd be cool, it feels like you... missed a lot of people, but at least there's something. some people had shitty reads lists but I'm not about to fault them too heavily unless they wanna fix it, if anything a shitty reads list that's complete can also say a lot. cheers friendos
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wolves = soundwave/sunfan/wv(feel a bit better about you atm wv but not enough to pull you out yet)
villagers = dbp/jrodd/freezin/star rest pretty null specifically haku might go into my wolves after my current conversation with him cause his explainations for how he's playing/his read on me feel really weak and his villa read on sunfan feels pretty unsubstantiated freezin probably the weakest of my villa reads btw, kinda just gut/tone which is pretty meh on d2 but /shrug copy pasted from discord going to work cya |
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sunfan is highest townread I have at the moment, the ben flip reflects well on him, and his retraction of his offer on working together with me on the puzzle after he started reevaluating me looks really good for him star is the second highest townread I have, and is a general town consensus read. The reason why she's lower than sunfan is that I can't exactly articulate -why- I feel she's towny --- it's just a feeling I've been getting from her in the discord. This is slightly worrisome because it might be a reflection that I've been brainwashed by groupthink, but I really don't think resolving this is a high priority task. freezin I thought was sketchy in that he was trying to "cause shit" by encouraging others to throw away their reads and start, in order to clinch a final mislynch, but that world implicitly forced him to have the Hidden Immunity Idol, which he apparently had no idea even existed, so that world's out. He could still technically be wolf but I don't think so, I think he's entering hero mode instead --- slight town read re: haku, I don't really understand the town reads on him. Apparently others can understand his mannerisms better than I can, but I think he's getting too much of a pass in comparison to the actual amount of investment he's put in. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier in the discord, him sharing his hack for the first reward challenge is either indicative of tremendous hubris or trying to garner brownie points with other players by seeming "pro-town" (even though enabling strangers to win a vigi shot is distinctly anti-town if you think about it). Is it like Haku to show off if he knows he's won a challenge? idk. slight wolf lean jrodd: I initially had him as towny for him being on the tokzic wagon D0 after seeing FFA flip town. However, as we all know now, tokzic flipped town so that lynch didn't even matter. this actually reflects poorly on j-rodd, since I have a hard time believing that the entire wolf team piled on top of flashflash in a T/T lynch. It is very likely the wolf team diversified their votes on D0, and between Freezin and jrodd, jrodd is more likely to be the stinker on the tokzic wagon. I mentioned this to somebody at some point but his aggression in the discord versus his aggression in the voice chats has been markedly different. In the discord he has been usually aggressive and pushy with his attitude and his reads. In the voice chat he's been more quiet and compliant. I know it is dangerous to make any conclusions from this, because people on average behave very differently over voice versus after text. However, there is still somethign to be learned here --- namely, from looking at the difference between his opinions before and after talking to people. As an example, before coming into the ITG voicechat, he had tunneled on me viciously. I expect to confront him over voice about it, but nothing like that really happened. He let up on me after I started talking. Which by itself is fine --- but after the call, he changed me to hard town. This reeks of a nonconfrontational and... appeasing?... attitude, which is different from how he's actually projecting himself. His bark is louder than his bite. Alternatively, consider that at that point i had stopped being an easy target, and his reversal on me reflects an unwillingness to combat with me once he realized I would actually be a force in this game. ----wolf read celirra: usually emotion reads are dangerous to make, but I believe in making -attitude- reads. This is shitty of me to say but it seems like Celirra has entered tilt-town since last mislynch. lack of recent activity and apparent interest, ironically, reflects well on him in my opinion. Compare this against his early game --- he called himself the Wolf Slayer and actively engaged in one-on-one conversations with other players, as if he was excited to play the game and start solving. That's nearly totally absent now, probably by virtue of the multiple mislynches and just general poor position we are in now. It's possible he might be coasting as wolf because town is cannibalizing itself, but I don't see this as likely. --slight town read t-force: a hot topic character in this game, I think he's an easy target. This isn't a reflection of his alignment exactly, but I don't see a whole lot of people vocally defending him like you might expect wolf partners to do. maybe the wolf team has given up on him, or has been subtly steering attention away from him, but lynching him just seems like a bad idea. --- raw null soundwave: the fact that I have no evolution on my read on him reflects poorly on his activity this game. it's not like he's totally absent, either, he's just invisible. he's done nothing of note. Him actually chiming in and doing -stuff- is a worse look than someone who has just disengaged from the game entirely. He's entering and doing shit whenever he's pinged, as if to maintain the minimum amount of engagement that he thinks "looks towny" and keeps him above water. The other side of the coin is that, just like T-Force, nobody really seems to be defending him. Everybody has acknowledged that he's scummy. It's kind of a miracle(?) that he's still here given everything that's happened. As somebody mentioned earlier, he's a character who can't resolve himself, and it's possible that the wolves are keeping him alive as long as possible in order to get a clutch mislynch at the perfect time. This is largely me being paranoid about him still being alive --- if we judge by his actions and general presence, he's still scummy. ---scum read I'm tired of typing at the moment but the punchline on the other ppl is knights is a null read (not due to lack of information, but due to conflicting signals) and WV, who probably deserves his own post because he's probably the most important person to speculate about this phase |
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And that's time! The immunity challenge is officially over for this phase. Congratulations thesunfan for his ability to scale walls and deal with annoying seagulls at the same time. This impressed our producers quite a bit! Well done. We had a few more entrants this time for the immunity challenge, so we're happy that we had some competition. Immunity is being awarded to thesunfan. Any votes for him at the end of the day will be nullified. ---- You might be saying, "Hey, hold on a minute, what about the reward challenge?" What about the reward challenge, indeed, survivors. We're going to leave it open for the time being, but seriously, YOU'VE GOT SOME NERV THINKING THIS CHALLENGE IS ON FFR! Diversify yourselves. First come, first serve. Reward challenge is still on. We'll see you all later for Tribal Council. Don't forget to bring your torches.
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