TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Fifth vote:

Three votes reuben_tate
Two votes T-Force

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Sixth vote:

Four votes reuben_tate
Two votes T-Force

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Seventh vote:

Five votes reuben_tate
Two votes T-Force

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Eighth vote:

Five votes reuben_tate
Three votes T-Force

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Ninth vote:

Five votes reuben_tate
Three votes T-Force
One vote FreezinIce

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Tenth vote:

Six votes reuben_tate
Three votes T-Force
One vote FreezinIce

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Eleventh vote:

The next person voted off of Survivor Newfoundland is...

Seven votes reuben_tate
Three votes T-Force
One vote FreezinIce

[TWG Jeff Probst]

The votes are in.




reuben_tate, the tribe has spoken. Please bring me your torch.

They were...

Survivor Superfan

It's time for you to go.


Night 2 has begun. Night 2 will end on Tuesday, January 23rd at 10:00pm server time.
You may now post again.

[theknightsofneeee]

Meh

[theknightsofneeee]

Can someone give me who claimed to vote for who?

[j-rodd123]

Nice vote celirra

[Soundwave-]

tforce - knights, ben, jrodd, haku
freezinice - cel
ben - sunfan, backpack, charu, soundwave, freezin, wv, star, T-force

T-force is unconfirmed but likely, vote on freezin was claimed post eod

[Hakulyte]

First Day:

ffa 8 (soundwave, theknightsofneeee, reuben_tate, Hakulyte, ShadoWolfe, Celirra, Sunfan, Charu)
Tokzic 3 (jrodd, DaBackpack, Vendetta)
ben 2 (wv, tokzic)
Soundwave 1 (star-crossed)
Charu 1 (ffa)
Missing vote: Cold Kitten.

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Second Day:

reuben_ tate 8 ( Sunfan, DaBackpack, Charu, Soundwave, FreezinIce, wv, star-crossed, T-Force(?))
T-Force 4 ( theknightsofneeee, Hakulyte, jrodd, reuben_tate)
FreezinIce 1 ( Celirra )

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

dm's:

https://pastebin.com/q3n1G2eG haku
https://pastebin.com/Ysg43U5q charu
https://pastebin.com/M8PmHguB tforce
https://pastebin.com/kS0V0MgS celery
https://pastebin.com/Z6dDW5G2 sunfan
https://pastebin.com/5cRL9uuy wv
https://pastebin.com/JVqFAc5E star
https://pastebin.com/MwV0NZUD knights
wolfe one posted earlier
just 'hello's' with ck

made it easier to tell what is what

[Hakulyte]

Updated

First Day:

ffa 8 (soundwave, theknightsofneeee, reuben_tate, Hakulyte, ShadoWolfe, Celirra, Sunfan, Charu)
Tokzic 3 (jrodd, DaBackpack, Vendetta)
ben 2 (wv, tokzic)
Soundwave 1 (star-crossed)
Charu 1 (ffa)
Missing vote: Cold Kitten.

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Second Day:

reuben_ tate 9 ( Sunfan, DaBackpack, Charu, Soundwave, FreezinIce, wv, star-crossed, theknightsofneeee, T-Force(?))
T-Force 3 ( Hakulyte, jrodd, reuben_tate)
FreezinIce 1 ( Celirra )

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Updated

First Day:

ffa 8 (soundwave, theknightsofneeee, reuben_tate, Hakulyte, ShadoWolfe, Celirra, Sunfan, Charu)
Tokzic 3 (jrodd, DaBackpack, Vendetta)
ben 2 (wv, tokzic)
Soundwave 1 (star-crossed)
Charu 1 (ffa)
Missing vote: Cold Kitten.

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Second Day:

reuben_ tate 9 ( Sunfan, DaBackpack, Charu, Soundwave, FreezinIce, wv, star-crossed, theknightsofneeee, T-Force(?))
T-Force 3 ( Hakulyte, jrodd, reuben_tate)
FreezinIce 1 ( Celirra )

kept charu green because i don't think sunfan was lying about it

[star-crossed]

T-force, how do you know that this is Knights's first OOTC game?

[star-crossed]

knights and WV

{ddr, end of day 0}
[03:25] theknightsofneeee: we distinctly do not have a consensus
[03:25] wv: Oh okay
[03:25] wv: oint_right::sunglasses:oint_right:
[03:25] Charu: Pretty much, we're kind of in a rut
[03:25] Charu: If we agree on FFA, then I'll do FFA
[03:25] Charu: Otherwise, I don't have any votes I want to cast on anyone else
[03:25] theknightsofneeee: from my talks with tokzic
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: he wanted 1 of wv/ffa/sound/ben/charu
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: which i realize
[03:26] Soundwave: "maybe it's similar to your wolf ben" is weak af, your involvement has been pretty sad both ITT and here, and so ben edges you out in activity. get in the game
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: isnt very specific
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: but lolhim i guess
[03:26] wv: Sound on a scale of one to 10 how bad do you want me to die
[03:26] Soundwave: Mmm.
[03:26] Charu: 5 out of 7 players
[03:26] Charu: That's not gonna help boil down
[03:26] Soundwave: Like a 3 tbh. I don't hate you
[03:26] Charu: lmao
[03:26] Soundwave: You're just the best choice
[03:26] wv: You're misquoting me
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: why is wv the best choice?
[03:26] wv: Nice
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: idgi
[03:26] Soundwave: Am I?
[03:26] theknightsofneeee: no offense but like
[03:26] wv: Yeah
[03:26] wv: You are
[03:26] Soundwave: Please explain
[03:27] Charu: So WV on the table now?
[03:27] theknightsofneeee: none of you have really made much of an impact on me

[03:33] theknightsofneeee: okay
[03:33] theknightsofneeee: so it seems like we have it down to 4
[03:33] theknightsofneeee: ben/ffa/sound/wv
[03:34] NocturneOfShadow: why is wayward a lynch candidate
[03:34] wv: Sound wants me dead
[03:34] NocturneOfShadow: seems dumb imo considering how he's been acting
[03:34] theknightsofneeee: because like 3 people said they would lynch wv
[03:34] theknightsofneeee: tokzic
[03:34] Charu: I would actually vote only and only if FFA and sound can't get lynched
[03:34] theknightsofneeee: in particular voiced to me
[03:34] wv: Tokzic to I guess
[03:34] Charu: Just putting that out there
[03:34] theknightsofneeee: that he didnt like wv
[...]
[03:47] theknightsofneeee: yeah i think i'm fighting for a concensus a bit to much
[03:47] theknightsofneeee: ffa
[03:47] theknightsofneeee: feels right to me
[03:49] wv: Nee how can you say you're fighting for consensus but then vote for ffa
[03:49] theknightsofneeee: i decided
[03:49] theknightsofneeee: that i'm gonna be selfish and vote for my top wolf
[03:49] theknightsofneeee: xd
[03:49] Soundwave: well I mean we've reached aconsensus on ffa anyways
[03:49] Charu: And that is FFA?
[03:49] Soundwave: lmao
[03:49] theknightsofneeee: ye
[03:49] wv: :thonkongnsdnf~1:
[03:49] theknightsofneeee: ffa is my top wolf
[03:50] Soundwave: except wv
[03:50] Soundwave: scummy wv
[03:50] Soundwave: :stuck_out_tongue:
[03:50] reuben_tate: Seems like we're going for ffa, I'll switch my vote over
[03:50] wv: Super scum wv here to bring attention to myself
[03:50] wv: Come at me guys
[03:50] Charu: Open wolfing strats
[03:51] wv: High five charu

{night 1 group chat}
[21:49] wv: After last eod I have suspicions about naaa
[21:49] wv: What he did was weird
[21:50] wv: And doesn't make sense
[21:50] wv: I could see naaa doing that if Ben or sound were his partner
[21:50] Hakulyte: did anyone talk a lot to neeee 1 on 1 ?
[21:50] wv: Because he took over finding consensus
[21:59] wv: i dont remember that every being consensus or even really talked about
[21:59] wv: ever*
[22:00] wv: yeah thats probably what led to that post but the wording of the post makes it seem like we talked about him more than just a quick lynch of no lynch
[22:01] wv: or*
[21:53] wv: i haven't talk to him either
[21:55] wv: also naaa started taking control over how votes would be done
[21:55] wv: asking how things should be done but he was mostly in control asking questions etc
[21:55] wv: who would vote for what
[21:55] Hakulyte: do you think it was because he was afraid votes would be scattered or because he really wanted ffa ?
[21:55] wv: how many people would vote for who
[21:56] wv: he said he was afraid votes would be scattered the switch to ffa at the very end leads me to believe there couldve been ulterior motives
[21:57] wv: maybe he's just the in control kind of person. someone with more experience playing with him would be able to answer that
[21:58] wv: since he continued that by saying in the thread that there was a consensus about tokzic
[21:58] wv: consensus over here is he is really villagery -neeee
[21:58] clefairiel: It sounds like Tokzic may have talked privately to knights actually
[21:59] wv: i dont remember that every being consensus or even really talked about
[21:59] wv: ever*
[21:59] clefairiel: [03:33] theknightsofneeee: what about tokzic or charu? (yes i know ffa wants charu)
[03:33] wv: Not to star or you
[03:33] wv: No to tokzic or charu
[03:33] Charu: No to Tokzic
[03:33] Soundwave: I don't think a lynch lands on either tokzic or charu

And knights and I had given townleans on tokzic
[21:59] clefairiel: "very villagery" is kind of exaggerated
[21:59] clefairiel: but it was the other tribe that was wanting to hang him more
[22:00] wv: yeah thats probably what led to that post but the wording of the post makes it seem like we talked about him more than just a quick lynch of no lynch
[22:01] wv: or*

{beach chat}
[04:12] wv: I'll be voting between with neee, sunfan, and Ben
[04:15] wv: Sure he's sick bit so am i
[04:15] wv: But*

[06:18] theknightsofneeee: one thing i'm kinda bearing in mind is that wv feels kinda float'y this game
[06:18] theknightsofneeee: hasn't really done much
[06:18] theknightsofneeee: substancial
[06:19] theknightsofneeee: and tokzic said they were 'overly diplomatic'
[06:19] theknightsofneeee: and wanted to kill the
[06:19] theknightsofneeee: them
[06:19] theknightsofneeee: but i don't have an actual reason past that stuff to want to kill them over say ben or you
[06:19] theknightsofneeee: but they feel like the wolf no one is paying attention to
[06:19] thesunfan: i've mentioned that before
[06:20] thesunfan: AND WAS ACCUSED OF DEFLECTING OFF OF BEN

[14:56] theknightsofneeee: my read on wv is that they have been really under the radar, especially when it comes to actually making pushes/making stands on people, and that they are probably the wolf no one is talking about

I think that Knights has made a point of considering WV as a lynch option specifically because of Tokzic, and that it would have been easy for him to deflect more from WV during end of day 0. Plus, in addition to WV calling out Knights in beach chat for falling off and implying illness is not a good enough excuse for lower activity, WV was going off in the voice chat about how he bet he was sicker and/or has been sicker for longer than Knights. That seems like a weird angle to focus on as much if both are mafias, unless WV is just really that annoyed that Knights is not participating more. So basically, I do not think these two are likely to both be mafias. One being a mafia is a distinct possibility to me, but I do not want to get locked into a false dichotomy either, if both are town.

What I am wondering most about I think, is if WV still holds to the "FFA thing" being weird now, considering that Ben was a town. I feel like it is somewhat of an unsubstantial reason, for suspicion, at least from what WV has explained so far.

[star-crossed]

WV and Soundwave

{ddr chat}
[16:08] Soundwave: If you have no mafia in the tribe, the tribe becomes a private town chat, which is useful. But otherwise you're just hiding information from no one but more townies if you keep it in tribe chat.
[16:10] wv: This falk is creeping me out
[16:10] wv: Stop being creepy guys

[...]

[05:03] Soundwave: @wv No one massage me on discord I don't want to talk to anyone right now. Not until my town circle is locked and I know who the wolves are explain source
[...]
[05:18] Tokzic: soundwave what is your take on wv right now
[05:19] Soundwave: I dunno, at first read that post I posted looked pretty sus because it's like an excuse to not talk but then it seemed like a shitpost (since he's still kinda active in discord) but it's a really coincidental shitpost considering what I've heard second hand about sunfan
[05:19] Soundwave: So like I'm trying to figure out where it's coming from
[05:19] Tokzic: do you not have a read on wv or
[05:19] NocturneOfShadow: what have you heard about sunfan
[05:20] Soundwave: I mean it's a wolf lean until he clears that up tbh, might even be top wolf with how zzz this game is
[05:22] Soundwave: @Charu I would agree it's weak but also like, nobody has really done anything spicer than say they're not talking to anybody. Sunfan I know has at least actually talked to someone, wv I'm not so sure x)
[...]
[05:27] Tokzic: soundwave do you have any stronger reads than wv
[05:27] Soundwave: :thonking~1:
[05:29] Soundwave: mmm, ck. It's got to be said, as shitty as it sounds, that I'm worried her involvement is going to be less than stellar. Maybe she's already disproved that though, I dunno
[05:29] Tokzic: wait has ck even done anything lmao
[05:29] Soundwave: exactly
[...]
[16:03] wv: Soundwave I'm not sure what you want me to source
[16:03] wv: The joke was that I'll never talk to anyone because there's no way I'm going to have a locked town circle

[18:46] wv: @whoever asked about why I feel soundwave is paranoid. It's mostly just the way his messages come off to me more so than what he's actually saying
[18:54] wv: Charu if it makes you feel better I know you're a wolf

[00:30] wv: Your playing is too reminiscent of the last game
[00:31] wv: And the more you talked and posted
[00:31] wv: The more you reminded me of it
[00:35] wv: Also ben it's not like I'm not willing to change my vote
[00:35] wv: I've never played with town Ben so maybe it's similar to your wolf ben
[00:35] wv: I don't know
[02:17] wv: So what you're saying is that you're naturally a wolf and you have to make effort to be town
[03:21] wv: The only thing I got on soundwave is he came off as paranoid and on edge in the beginning
[03:21] wv: Which I thought was weird
[03:21] wv: But that's nothing I'd vote over
[..]
[03:24] theknightsofneeee: @Soundwave who do you want to lynch?
[03:24] Soundwave: wv
[03:25] wv: Oh okay
[03:25] wv: oint_right::sunglasses:oint_right:
[03:24] wv: What's up sound
[03:24] Soundwave: die.
[03:26] Soundwave: "maybe it's similar to your wolf ben" is weak af, your involvement has been pretty sad both ITT and here, and so ben edges you out in activity. get in the game
[03:26] wv: Sound on a scale of one to 10 how bad do you want me to die
[03:26] Soundwave: Like a 3 tbh. I don't hate you
[03:26] Charu: lmao
[03:26] Soundwave: You're just the best choice
[03:26] wv: You're misquoting me
[03:26] wv: Nice
[03:26] Soundwave: Am I?
[03:26] wv: Yeah
[03:26] wv: You are
[03:26] Soundwave: Please explain
[03:27] Charu: So WV on the table now?
[03:27] wv: If you would've scrolled IP just a bit more you would read my reason

[03:29] theknightsofneeee: who would be okay with lynching sound?
[03:29] wv: I wouldn't say no to sound
[03:31] Soundwave: whatever it's 1 soundwave, 3 wv, move on
[03:31] theknightsofneeee: ben?
[03:31] theknightsofneeee: who would lynch ben?
[03:31] Soundwave: or like 2
[03:31] Soundwave: me I guess

[03:34] wv: Sound wants me dead
[03:34] wv: Tokzic to I guess
[03:36] wv: Ben>>>>>>sound>>>>everyone else

[03:38] Soundwave: so should I be changing my vote for consensus or...?
[03:38] wv: Are you looking for town cred if Ben flips wolf
[03:39] Soundwave: not really. I don't think my read is strong enough on either of you to say I deserve town cred, although if I was wolf and switched that would be one hell if a nasty bus
[03:39] wv: It's a bus Ben has done before !-!
03:40] Soundwave: I mean if it makes you feel better I can not do it :stuck_out_tongue:
[03:40] Soundwave: he's not my first pick but we seem to be trying to vote as a mob. the latter being smarter than going for first picks
[03:41] Soundwave: I guess for posterity I should say, my order is wv>ben>ffa>charu>tokzic>nee>star

[03:49] theknightsofneeee: ffa is my top wolf
[03:50] Soundwave: except wv
[03:50] Soundwave: scummy wv
[03:50] Soundwave: :stuck_out_tongue:
[03:50] wv: Super scum wv here to bring attention to myself
[03:50] wv: Come at me guys

{beach}
[21:48] wv: has soundwave talked to anyone recently
[21:48] wv: i havent seen him post here since this chat was started
[21:51] Hakulyte: yeah, soundwave hasn't really be around recently
[21:51] Hakulyte: I don't have new stuff with him

[18:06] Hakulyte: someone hold soundwave's hand
[18:06] Soundwave: I wouldn't
[18:06] Soundwave: you don't know where it's been
[18:07] Jrodd: Soundwave who are your wolves
[18:08] Soundwave: T-force, ben, wv, sunfan. But the 2 bottom slots haven't really taken account the last read
[18:08] Charu: Why T-Force
[18:09] Soundwave: wv kinda trended up a bit so I might need to put someone else in there, sunfan feels null trend but I got really think on it
[18:09] Soundwave: Uh, I mean lynch the nulls among the towns I spose?
[18:09] thesunfan: how did wv trend up
[18:10] Soundwave: wv was mostly a utr pick but he was more active yesterday. Still not super strong though

[18:12] Soundwave: I mean I'm looking back through. But he has 8 pages of stuff in one day, lets be hoenst even if it's all shitposts that's still better activity :^)
[18:13] Soundwave: Let's see
[18:13] Soundwave: he saw that shado thought he was going to die which is kinda a meh thing to notice
[...]
[18:18] Soundwave: wv wanted sunfan to use the seer so that he didn't get influenced by wolves which I kinda get, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either way, especially when it was put up to a vote that wolves could have gotten in on but it's a thing wv did
[18:22] Soundwave: but he was active during the seer, asked about relations after the night, poked at sunfan a bit (actually a decent bit), poked ben which is plus in my book, poked me... I think it's hard to build a case where wv wasn't more active yesterday than in tribe tbh

Rereading the start of the game, what I quoted is the only time they really respond to one another; they speak much more with others, even when both are online, which seemed awkward. This changed a lot though, with Soundwave susing WV and WV asking him about it sometimes.

In the second log chunk from DDR chat, I kind of like Soundwave's theory of susing it but then wondering if it is a shitpost or not, especially with tying it into sun fan. I do wish it was something Sound followed up on, after WV responded, considering it was something he thought made WV "top wolf" at the time.

In kind of a similar vein, WV asking Sound if he is just pushing Ben for town credit, seems like it is something a wolf would be less likely to ask another wolf. And it is also harsh for Sound to tell WV to "get in the game" and to emphasize feeling much worse about WV (option 1) than Ben (option 2).

Sound saying that he only wants to kill WV as a 3, on a scale of 1 to 10, is a surprisingly low number to me actually. When I have seen wolves say they want to hang each other, they seem to do it with more certainty than that, so I do not really think both are mafias, combined with how much material Sound had on WV. Sound also even admits he does not think he would deserve credit for the way he has pushed on anybody on DDR, even if they flip as a mafia, so I would not think he would want to bus, if he is feeling that way.

I did not actually find this when I went back through the logs, but I seem to recall WV saying something about that the reason that Sound was voting for Ben on D0 (his #2 mafia lean from DDR) over WV (#1 mafia lean) because WV was voting for Ben. Which I don't think actually happened, and if WV does think that, I wonder why it did not seem more weird to him.

I like Sound's analysis about WV trending up on the second Day (I am sorry that I missed these messages completely yesterday). From what he actually noticed of WV, he has some thoughtful reasons to still be wary of WV (regarding Shado's death, and regarding his theory of how to use the seer). So it does not make as much sense to me that he would focus on little things like WV "poking [Sound]", as trending up overall, unless I am wrong and they actually are both mafias. So I actually think Sound's behavior toward WV makes Sound seem more town, regardless of what is with WV. But I would like others' thoughts if they have any.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

knights and WV

I missed this conversation

[04:39] wv: which means it's hard to coordinate votes

we're going to need 1-2 person to coordinate votes

between tribes

-haku to ben
[04:39] wv: Did anyone mention coordinating votes to neee?
[04:39] theknightsofneeee: sup
[04:39] wv: Hey cool you're here
[04:39] wv: Did anyone tell you to help coordinate votes last eod
[04:39] wv: Or did you decide to take control on your own
[04:39] theknightsofneeee: no i literally
[04:39] thesunfan: hi
[04:39] theknightsofneeee: just walked in my house
[04:40] theknightsofneeee: like
[04:40] theknightsofneeee: 3 min ago
[04:40] theknightsofneeee: just got off work
[04:40] thesunfan: wb
[04:40] theknightsofneeee: Did anyone tell you to help coordinate votes last eod
[04:40] theknightsofneeee: what does this mean?
[04:41] wv: Take control of asking who votes for who etc
[04:41] theknightsofneeee: no?
[04:41] theknightsofneeee: i kinda just did it cause no one else was
[04:41] theknightsofneeee: and cause everyone seemed really stagnant on soundwave/not really trying to actually build a decent wagon
[04:42] wv: So no one approached you the way haku approached Ben?
[04:42] theknightsofneeee: uh
[04:42] theknightsofneeee: no
[04:42] theknightsofneeee: definitely not lol
[04:42] wv: Aight
[04:42] theknightsofneeee: only person i talked to 1 on 1 that EoD
[04:42] theknightsofneeee: was shado
[04:43] theknightsofneeee: and only because i was wondering if he would be willing to shoot FFA, if we decided to not lynch him, after he did his bitching and threatened to sub out
[04:43] theknightsofneeee: cause even though i didn't want to read into it
[04:43] theknightsofneeee: i thought he was a villager for the way he threw his hissyfit
[04:43] theknightsofneeee: and i kinda wanted to move off him
[04:43] theknightsofneeee: but it was like 3 min left till lynch

^ But it does not address my question to WV, as much as I would like.