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Quotes around pretending. Thought I was getting them in before the minute free edit timing window closed.
Won't happen again.
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As far as suspicion, it seems to me that the person who gets the most suspicion from breaking a KITB would be the person who broke the KITB and the person who they saved. Heroes want to avoid attention, so doing this is pointless and stupid if it is Villain/Villain, and only makes sense if it is Villain/Hero. Quote:
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It's still pretty obvious from my fervor in going after Hook that I thought Hook was the better lynch. Hell Hook thought hans was a bad ynch.
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Yes, but at the time Hans was looking guilty, so Hook sticking up for him only made Hans look worse.
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07-16-2014, 03:59 PM | #605 | |
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What I'm trying to say is the conclusion you've narrowed in on (that Hook is the best lynch choice) excludes a lot of possibilities
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So you chose hook based on this game theory diamond, but Hook being hero is partly indicated (in your opinion) by the possibility that Auto might be hero, but auto being a Hero NECESSARILY indicates that Hook is a hero, yet you chose killing Hook because he might be a hero, and if he isn't we get the benefit of clearing Auto???? If there is a seer in this game auto is likely either cleared or not already, but the bigger thing is why wouldn't you be interested in the choice that would possibly catch you two wolves if your going to think using a methodology like this??? See this is what I'm talking about when I say that your game theory diamond is really narrowing and excluding possibilities and just basically saying "fuck reading people's behaviors, I'm going to arbitraily slice up the playerbase and play some dumb version of checkers." Plus you haven't really supported why you "believe" either auto or hook must be a hero???? I think the Queen is probably thinking along the right lines looking at people who stayed away from the lynch choices entirely. But for now I'm going to vote for Hades because he's trying to pretend he has considered a lot of shit that I just honestly don't believe he has. The whole strategy seems like its pulled out of his ass and he's just bushwhacking to get through every point people bring up in contention to it, but the big thing is saying he has considered these possibilities I've brought up when the original post really doesn't indicate that he has considered them (otherwise why wouldn't you just tell people in the case your selling to them those other options and why they aren't viable??) |
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for the record i didn't miss that post i just didn't think it was at all convincing and didn't think it intended to serve the purpose of "keeping hans alive" which to me indicates a degree of uncertainty about hans at the time (just uncertain enough about his alignment to commit to seriously defending him) |
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Fair enough.
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I chose Hook based on logic, not a 'game theory diamond'. You said: Quote:
As for why I would not be for a case that gets us two Heroes: with that method we either lynch a Hero and get two, or lynch a Villain and have no extra information to work with. With the other approach we can either lynch a Hero and have some information to work with on top of it, or we can lynch a Villain and clear another Villain in the process. I would rather go with the approach where we get some upside regardless of outcome. I would rather hedge my bets, and make sure that even if I am wrong, I get some information anyways. |
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And it's not ignoring peoples' behaviors. Behavior is the reason that I focused on Hook and Auto, maybe I didn't make that clear. The only reason I thought this through was because both Hook and Auto are looking more than a little Heroic to me at this point.
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I was just trying to come up with a logical basis for getting as much information out of the situation as possible.
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Hook's attitude bothered me all day. He refused to try to contribute at the beginning of the day and put off any attempts to get information from him, which to me seemed like an attempt to get back off the radar without providing anything that could be used against him later. When that didn't work, he went inactive for a while (possibly trying to wait for everything to blow over). During this time, if I remember correctly, Auto came to his defense (just another piece of data linking them).
Gaston had a similar attitude that also bothered me, and I would consider voting for him if there isn't a push in the Hook/Auto direction. Shere Khan either needs to start posting or be replaced. |
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Cat crew falling apart.
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If you believe they are equally suspicious, then wouldn't picking the one that, if you were actually right, necessarily tells you two kills (in your opinion) be the better option? Why would you prioritize the one that would give you information tomorrow if you happened to be wrong? Do you have a latent expectation that you are going to make the wrong decision and that is influencing your decision making? If it is the case that you believe one is actually more suspicious than the other and that influences your preferences, then why did you feel the need to arbitrarily divide things up in that fashion? |
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Hello friends
my power has returned; there was a nasty storm last night and on top of the shit my computer was already pulling on me, the power dropped for quite a while. I've been trying to keep up with the thread on my phone while conserving charge on it, and so far from the looks of it, my computer is done being an ass, so I can resume play as normal. NOW It seems like we've started the day looking at ~2 people out of 18. While I guess it's whatever if one person does it, why does no one else look elsewhere? Personally, from their interaction this phase, i'm getting villain/villain leans out of Syndrome/Hades. Both seem to be putting in earnest efforts for leads. I'm with Yzma, though, I would like to hear from and look at Gaston at the moment. What basis did you have for yesterday's random voting patterns? Would you like to follow up on this post at all? I imagine you're caught up by now; who are your current suspicions? Why didn't you vote at EoD at all? |
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Do you have the expectation that every decision that you make will be right at the very beginning of Day Two? I am overwhelmingly sure of lynch decisions maybe 15% of the time, and even then, sometimes I end up being wrong. Does acknowledging this make me a bad TWG player? |
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I really don't understand why people are still focusing so heavily on me not wanting to contribute to the early roleplay of the game. I had nothing of value to post at the time and really don't know my character well enough to get into the roleplay. I never saw Peter Pan.
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Ursula's pretty active, which is grounds for a serious study of her interactions. However, I want to leave her in. Her activity yesterday makes me think she'll show up again today to provide more information, unlike... Facilier and Gaston. Both of them made votes without any reasoning and made (seemingly) empty promises to study the thread more intently. I say they're definitely potential lynch targets. Let's throw in Hook from the Hook vs. Auto discussion as well: like I said before, I don't think Auto would kill Shan Yu due to the latter tunneling him at first. I think he'd pick a similar target without the same baggage, like Dr. Facilier or, I don't know, Darla. |
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