TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[inDheart]

i will be around a little later for interacty purposes and reading but i'm just a lil too tipsy now to focus

[roundbox]

also, since you brought up me playing DotA this game, here's my dotabuff lmfao
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/10862432

I don't really play it anymore

[roundbox]

NOW I'm gonna go play video games a bit before playing more twg
BRB, gotta get my burgers out

[XelNya]

Hey roundbox

let me ask you something

would you be down to lynch lar today

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hey roundbox

let me ask you something

would you be down to lynch lar today

it's not outside of my window of "who I might be ok lynching", but I need to read his posts again to see if I would rather lynch him above other people, and vice versa

to put this more clearly: he's not screaming "too town to lynch" at the moment for me, but it's not based off of much

[Antori]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hey roundbox

let me ask you something

would you be down to lynch lar today

would you though, who are you down to lynch? and why lar specifically?

[flashflash account]

Last time Lar was too town to lynch he was a wolf :V

[ShadoWolfe]

YO roundbox

I agree with your analysis of her wolfplay. Yes to all three of those difficulties she has in her wolfgames.

Look again at your own "proof" that she's different this game, though. I think your own examples work against her using your own rubric.

Postcount: She's near the bottom of players in postcount (3rd lowest)

Posting reads: almost all her reads this game (including both the ones I've posted and the ones in your own quote) are waffly and inconclusive. The NOVEL Read ends in "hard to read I guess" the FFA one you admitted is paper thin. In the post I quoted she's asked about her wolfreads and responds with 4 people. Out of those 4 in her wolfreads list, she ends 3 f those reads of them with a near dismissal of her own read "could be way off" "may be a lack of experience" "I'm having flashbacks". I can show you more if you'd like but this should illustrate the point we'll enough

Post timing: with 38 posts in 68 hours, I don't much think her timing here supercedes the other two factors, but I will grant that her timing isn't as overtly opportunistic as it's been in prior wolfgames

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

YO roundbox

I agree with your analysis of her wolfplay. Yes to all three of those difficulties she has in her wolfgames.

Look again at your own "proof" that she's different this game, though. I think your own examples work against her using your own rubric.

Postcount: She's near the bottom of players in postcount (3rd lowest)

Posting reads: almost all her reads this game (including both the ones I've posted and the ones in your own quote) are waffly and inconclusive. The NOVEL Read ends in "hard to read I guess" the FFA one you admitted is paper thin. In the post I quoted she's asked about her wolfreads and responds with 4 people. Out of those 4 in her wolfreads list, she ends 3 f those reads of them with a near dismissal of her own read "could be way off" "may be a lack of experience" "I'm having flashbacks". I can show you more if you'd like but this should illustrate the point we'll enough

Post timing: with 38 posts in 68 hours, I don't much think her timing here supercedes the other two factors, but I will grant that her timing isn't as overtly opportunistic as it's been in prior wolfgames

I see where you're coming from on your points. In regards to post timing and post count, I think those two are closer to my interpretation. If you look at the game I linked, she is the lowest post counter (xel replaced, t-force has twgma posts, and star was killed n1). It's lowest by a very solid margin, not quite like this game.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I see where you're coming from on your points. In regards to post timing and post count, I think those two are closer to my interpretation. If you look at the game I linked, she is the lowest post counter (xel replaced, t-force has twgma posts, and star was killed n1). It's lowest by a very solid margin, not quite like this game.

You're really telling me that the summation of all your years playing raeko is that she isn't scum if she:

A) Isn't exactly the lowest poster

and

B) Posts at somewhat regular intervals

?
I think that's a bit of a stretch, no? You agree the reads themselves are iffy, so there's gotta be something more to your hard townread?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

You're really telling me that the summation of all your years playing raeko is that she isn't scum if she:

A) Isn't exactly the lowest poster

and

B) Posts at somewhat regular intervals

?
I think that's a bit of a stretch, no? You agree the reads themselves are iffy, so there's gotta be something more to your hard townread?

I don't think it's a stretch, but it's fair for people to find an issue with that. My case supporting her is far from perfect. One angle that I forgot to mention or just didn't think about mentioning with proper emphasis is that I've been on a wolf team with her multiple times. I know the mindset she had from wolf chat, and I had to poke her a few times to make points, even at some times providing points for her to use against other people since she couldn't find anything.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I don't think it's a stretch, but it's fair for people to find an issue with that. My case supporting her is far from perfect. One angle that I forgot to mention or just didn't think about mentioning with proper emphasis is that I've been on a wolf team with her multiple times. I know the mindset she had from wolf chat, and I had to poke her a few times to make points, even at some times providing points for her to use against other people since she couldn't find anything.

You're making her seem inept as a wolf but that isn't really the case. She's won her share of games and even won singlehandedly as SK in that one game I can't remember the name of.

There was a "wolf Raeko stays UTR" meta read on her for awhile afterwards but she flipped that in a subsequent game and it became largely irrelevant.

That's why I'm not really buying the image you're painting, if that makes sense. :shrug: I just ask you to give her another read to confirm your own thoughts

[Gradiant]

I'm not really getting mellon using 'over-confident' being a buzzword for me shado. I'd say you were overconfident last game because you knew you were caught but knew that town wasn't going to do anything about it. Here, your role isn't known but you're just being arrogant. arrogant over over-confident.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

I'm not really getting mellon using 'over-confident' being a buzzword for me shado. I'd say you were overconfident last game because you knew you were caught but knew that town wasn't going to do anything about it. Here, your role isn't known but you're just being arrogant. arrogant over over-confident.

You know what... fight me

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

You know what... fight me

No thanks, you'd probably kick my ass

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

No thanks, you'd probably kick my ass

Haha nah man I'm too tired these days I'd just try to take my ass-kicking with dignity

[Gradiant]

I'm also really not comfortable reading mellon because I always have a bias of scumreading her everygame I play with her. It's either scum because inactivity or scum because I think she's not making much of her own points and just going with other people. Somebody that has played more games with them or know them better as a person would have a much better idea of her siding her than me

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

I'm also really not comfortable reading mellon because I always have a bias of scumreading her everygame I play with her. It's either scum because inactivity or scum because I think she's not making much of her own points and just going with other people. Somebody that has played more games with them or know them better as a person would have a much better idea of her siding her than me

we all have one person we sheep reads on in twg

I have two tho: haku and her

'cept this game atm

I actually feel like Haku's great and... tbh I'm inclined to agree with shado's recent response atm as I'm rereading d0

his statement is about critiquing the "rubric" roundbox lays out (btw shado I really appreciate the choice of words, fucking great shit man)

and to pile a little extra on there, even if her post count was higher, there's a question of content contained and where it is in context to what's going on

which btw on a reread is... not great imho atm but it's d0 hindsight reread so I don't wanna like grab that and cherry pick the earlier part of the game as a defining HAH HE RITE THO

so till I get caught up I don't wanna sell myself

but I get what he's probably actually trying to get at?

correct me if I'm wrong shado

[Gradiant]

Not really caring much for ffa or xel atm. xel is sorta fine though because he said he'd post more once he had time so I'm waiting for that, while ffa is just shitting around with 'confirmed town' and it's irritating me.

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Not really caring much for ffa or xel atm. xel is sorta fine though because he said he'd post more once he had time so I'm waiting for that, while ffa is just shitting around with 'confirmed town' and it's irritating me.

That's like
Not even a read
Try again