Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

You don't need to be able to play FGO charts to a D6 level to judge them. It helps you be as thorough as possible, but that is by no means a requirement. That would be like shutting out someone who does nothing but make amazing work and knows their shit, but is only a D1 player. It just doesn't make much sense to me to even have such a rule.

Also, don't take this the wrong way, but the idea of who is most qualified varies between peoples. Niala is a perfectly fine judge. Rogdor I have yet to honestly see judge anything, so I have no clue how capable he is to be honest, but by having looked at his charts he'd be a good judge too I imagine. Would like to see him get a chance in the future. /my 2 cents on that

Also, you may want to update the OP with the judge list and such :/ It'd be nice to sort of know who's on the judge teams. <3

except niala came out of nowhere and started judging
I really can't think of a reason why he's a judge lol

[FissionMailed1]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

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Go look at his review for Robotomy. It is riddled with subjectivity and an obvious dislike to the song. He gave it a 1/10, which should not be possibly unless the file is offsync, which it clearly isn't. The rating was entirely unfair and not called for, so that should be sufficient reason to not be allowed to judge.

I know people are probably going to disagree with me, but given the facts, that's the way I see it.

[Charu]

You know, I don't know if this has ever been asked, but what makes a judge? What does one have to do to either get experience and or learn to judge anyways?

[t-rogdor]

for once i think this is gonna be a positive nice post

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

You don't need to be able to play FGO charts to a D6 level to judge them.

this is 100% on point even though I don't agree with it in context

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Also, don't take this the wrong way, but the idea of who is most qualified varies between peoples. Niala is a perfectly fine judge.

being "qualified" for the position of being a Judge is pretty subjective on the surface, but when you break it down it should have at least 3 requirements:
1) you have to have at least 1 file in-game or in-queue
2) you have to have at least like 6mon of experience
3) you have to show you possess the ability to judge fairly and with as little personal bullshit as possible (this would be a sorta "after the fact" requirement. like a thing you could get kicked off for etc)

that said I've yet to see a review from naialialai or whoever that I felt was actually well written and in all honesty their position as a judge does bother me, but I'm not gonna raise a stink about it because at the end of it all the way the judging process really works it's best not to get mad about shit and just keep resubmitting until you get it in lmao

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Rogdor I have yet to honestly see judge anything, so I have no clue how capable he is to be honest, but by having looked at his charts he'd be a good judge too I imagine. Would like to see him get a chance in the future.

honestly i'd love to judge and think I could make a pretty good influence on the quality of the charts, overall, in game. that said I've said some pretty inflammatory shit both on and off the forums so if there was doubt as to my quality as a judge i wouldn't be surprised lmao.
I've done preliminary judging for mocher's FFRCP pack and a bit of judging for LCP in the past though so w/e

anyway pce

[Choofers]

all of these files are mediocre at best

I may be giving one or two 7/10s lol

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by FissionMailed1

Go look at his review for Robotomy. It is riddled with subjectivity and an obvious dislike to the song. He gave it a 1/10, which should not be possibly unless the file is offsync, which it clearly isn't. The rating was entirely unfair and not called for, so that should be sufficient reason to not be allowed to judge.

Eh. I haven't seen it but regardless, everything in stepping aside from Sync is pretty much subjective to a point in my mind. I'll have to go skim it later I guess.

And to be honest even if it's synced correctly a chart can still be such a train wreck it gets a one to me. But that's just my thoughts.

[sanzath]

I sent a file, when does batch #2 open???

[TC_Halogen]

To give you an idea, I judge fairly strictly...

...but I still gave Robotomy a 7/10. The song is something else, yeah, but the notes for that particular file were uncalled for. Taking off for music choice is acceptable if the song is unprofessionally done, but the song is quite complex in its own right and would merit a pass, rather than a major deduction.

Also, I vouch for Rog's simfiling ability, he knows what he's doing and would probably make a fine judge if he took it seriously.

[bmah]

Originally Posted by sanzath

I sent a file, when does batch #2 open???

Batches don't close. They're always open now.

But if you're talking about when the next 120 files are reviewed, that won't be until at least we get another 120 files! And of course, not until this current batch is finished.

Things will slow down, because people's ability to submit files are limited by bi-monthly SAP (simfile artist points).

[FissionMailed1]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Eh. I haven't seen it but regardless, everything in stepping aside from Sync is pretty much subjective to a point in my mind. I'll have to go skim it later I guess.

And to be honest even if it's synced correctly a chart can still be such a train wreck it gets a one to me. But that's just my thoughts.

Right, it can be an absolutely awful chart still, but my point was that objectively, if it is correctly synced and the BPM is correct, etc., it should not receive lower than a 2/10. It did though, which is very unprofessional, and completely disregards any standard of judging to push an agenda.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Also, I vouch for Rog's simfiling ability, he knows what he's doing and would probably make a fine judge if he took it seriously.

+1

[Wayward Vagabond]

I don't want robotomy on FFR because it isn't an FFR file. If I have to judge robotomy I won't be passing it and I'll be giving it a1/10 on the grounds that the song and file are not fit for FFR.

[Choofers]

if that's the case then we should pull a bunch of files from FFR because they're not "fit for FFR"


whatever that means

[04im]

judges right now be all like:

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

@ kjwkjw: The process is going to slow speed up.

Originally Posted by Charu

You know, I don't know if this has ever been asked, but what makes a judge? What does one have to do to either get experience and or learn to judge anyways?

To be honest, this is a good question. But I also think this is really dependent on who you ask. Like the thirdstyle users see me as a judge (to be honest I think I'm still somewhat a little closed minded to be one, but hey I'm happy to do what I can.) But I mean by FFR standards, I'd be a pretty bad judge in retrospect as I am now. (I'd love in the future to try my hand at it though, but I think I need a little more refinement in learning terminology and such.)

Originally Posted by t-rogdor

I could make a pretty good influence on the quality of the charts, overall, in game. that said I've said some pretty inflammatory shit both on and off the forums so if there was doubt as to my quality as a judge i wouldn't be surprised lmao.

See I can agree with this. You aren't my favorite person by any means, but your personality has no effect on your judging capability. In fact, I loathe most of your charts in SM, and I still think you'd be an asset as a judge. They're just not my cup of tea to be fair. :3

[Choofers]

because you're bad at stepmania

[FissionMailed1]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

I don't want robotomy on FFR because it isn't an FFR file. If I have to judge robotomy I won't be passing it and I'll be giving it a1/10 on the grounds that the song and file are not fit for FFR.

h4h4 jokez, funny guy (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y). This is basically what I gathered out of Niala's review of Robotomy though.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by Choofers

if that's the case then we should pull a bunch of files from FFR because they're not "fit for FFR"


whatever that means

I did the same this to dossars metro file don't worry its not like I'd be picking on you.

I'd also be OK with pulling file that aren't really for FFR

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by 0

i hope this isn't a serious post

It is

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by FissionMailed1

h4h4 jokez, funny guy (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y). This is basically what I gathered out of Niala's review of Robotomy though.

Sorry not joking

Hate on me

[Wayward Vagabond]

Also just because a song can be stepped doesn't mean it should be