TWG CXXXV: Dichotomy - GAME THREAD

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I know you didn't say I was a wolf, but I implied it because more times than not, town has no incentive to outright lie.

...what? So you're saying that I should believe your claim because you're apparently a self-claimed townie who said he's not a wolf, and since townie's don't have an obvious incentive to lie that then therefore means you must not be lying?

Is that what you're basically saying there? Do you see how circular that logic is?

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Since we're gonna talk about game mechanics, I think there are 3 factions. I think choof belongs to a larger party and isn't working alone.

I was wondering about this too, he definitely alluded to being a "purple". Generally purples have been solo dolo with a unique win condition specific to them (Serial Killer etc). I could see that potentially exists, maybe more than one. I don't know if they'd be working together in any capacity or not though.

How did Choof know there would be multiple kills? Was he just assuming someone would be trigger happy with a power in addition to the wolves kill? Afaik he only has a full-flip in white reveal power.

[_Zenith_]

This game went from good to bad to pathetic in one fell swoop

I now exactly know why choof posted wanting to be modkilled lmfao.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Just woke up. I'm not really liking Zeniths stuff going against Storn...I feel like he's trying to get something out of nothing. Maybe I'm still not awake enough to fully understand your arguments, idk.

Also, regarding tps, if I were a wolf, I would have essentially given up my ability to fakeclaim in the future.

#TownMETABro

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

My gut is telling me that zenith might be on this team too, but that's more of a gut thing

Again you are way too kind <3

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Tps222

I didn't say you were a wolf reuben, I said you were lying about being a vanilla townie. I haven't seen anyone claim that yet but you. Everyone has either soft/hard claimed some form of power (RB/Choof/V/DBP) or has displayed some interest in changing/preserving the floor color.

Creating a hypothetical "why would I do this as a wolf" scenario is oftentimes more suspicious than not.

Can anyone else claim that they're a pure vanilla townie? My gut says no. It's not a huge balance issue when the powers are mostly one-shot in nature and divided between white/black phases.

Getting Fucked: The Game is my new favorite TWG title now also.

Utterly stupid imho.

You are basically saying any form of angleshooting is scummy (Where you weren't in the last game, angleshooting won and also lost the game so again you are wrong).

[Charu]

Nah, I think choof is alone. I mean if he wasn't, he wouldn't have come clean with us, wouldn't you think?

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Since we're gonna talk about game mechanics, I think there are 3 factions. I think choof belongs to a larger party and isn't working alone.

What do you mean by this?

Do you think of these three situations when you reread this post:

1) Second Wolf Team
2) Serial Killer who truly is alone
3) Something like a Cultist or Mason (except Cultist spreads to more players and Mason does not)

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

Nah, I think choof is alone. I mean if he wasn't, he wouldn't have come clean with us, wouldn't you think?

Was thinking this too, but consider how different choof behaved last game vs this game. Choof actually tried this game until he got fucked by RB. And even then, he hasn't sold himself to town yet. Maybe he has allegiance to a team?

Thus is all speculation of course

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

What do you mean by this?

Do you think of these three situations when you reread this post:

1) Second Wolf Team
2) Serial Killer who truly is alone
3) Something like a Cultist or Mason (except Cultist spreads to more players and Mason does not)

Was thinking humans, wolves, and 2nd wolf team

Two wolf teams need to wipe each other out and achieve parity to win or something

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

#TownMETABro

Might I just add that yeah, besides speculation circulating around Choof there is not that much to go off of besides player reactions and interactions with other players.

Wagonomics is completely thrown out of the window because Day got cut short so there isn't that much data involved.

There is an obsessive amount of claiming/angleshooting going on which is why Tps isn't making sense by saying "Creating a hypothetical situation ""why I would do this as wolf"" scenario is oftentimes more suspicious than not". That means you basically scumread everyone due to this flawed logic.

[DaBackpack]

I mean he asked for a modkill...

[DaBackpack]

Idk maybe it's not worth thinking about yet but I wanted to throw it out there

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Idk maybe it's not worth thinking about yet but I wanted to throw it out there

The fact he wanted a modkill and explicitly stating that RB basically ruined his win-con should be a telltale sign that Choof's alignment is by himself and not paired with multiple people.

[_Zenith_]

I really want to know why Tps is heavily reliant on stating that everyone has at least one role.

That would also apply to you DBP; why do you think that everyone has a role?

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Utterly stupid imho.

You are basically saying any form of angleshooting is scummy (Where you weren't in the last game, angleshooting won and also lost the game so again you are wrong).

I'm assuming angleshooting is synonymous with what it means in poker, and by scummy you mean wolfy?

I don't really know what you're saying here. What am I wrong about? How did it win and lose the game? Is any of what you're saying relevant to my point?

No one called Reuben a wolf and he went straight to hypothetical "why would I do this if I were a wolf" territory. I was just remarking on how he jumped straight to that.

[_Zenith_]

I mean, if everyone has a role; essentially wolves could claim anything and get away with it.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Tps222

I'm assuming angleshooting is synonymous with what it means in poker, and by scummy you mean wolfy?

I don't really know what you're saying here. What am I wrong about? How did it win and lose the game? Is any of what you're saying relevant to my point?

No one called Reuben a wolf and he went straight to hypothetical "why would I do this if I were a wolf" territory. I was just remarking on how he jumped straight to that.

How to scumread needs the ability to put a player in the situation of "If they were a wolf, why would they perform such an action" or even "Why would a wolf be impartial about this, or keen on that". You stated that it is oftentimes more scummy (more likely to be a wolf) than not (being town-aligned) to come up with such a situation.

Do not be like Curry and Rice and backpedal on something you said because it will get you killed. (Yes, that is an irrelevant subject but still, don't say you didn't say it because you in fact did).

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I really want to know why Tps is heavily reliant on stating that everyone has at least one role.

That would also apply to you DBP; why do you think that everyone has a role?

It's a hunch based on my own role. TPS brought it up independently and it sort of reinforced that.

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

The fact he wanted a modkill and explicitly stating that RB basically ruined his win-con should be a telltale sign that Choof's alignment is by himself and not paired with multiple people.

Agreed.

[quote="Zenith"]I really want to know why Tps is heavily reliant on stating that everyone has at least one role.
[quote]

I've stated my reasoning for this already:

Originally Posted by Tps

Everyone has either soft/hard claimed some form of power (RB/Choof/V/DBP) or has displayed some interest in changing/preserving the floor color.

Originally Posted by Tps

Can anyone else claim that they're a pure vanilla townie? My gut says no. It's not a huge balance issue when the powers are mostly one-shot in nature and divided between white/black phases.

I'm not "heavily reliant" on this idea, but I do think I'm right. Day 1 only lasted an hour, there isn't much information to go on, mostly just reactions/implication from illegal actions. I'm trying to work myself through the format and mechanics of this game based on the actions and attitudes that people have displayed so far towards the phase changes.