TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Charu

omg...

yasssssssssss

I also turn into a cute plush toy if you happen to not see me in my true form hue

[_Zenith_]

I'll do further elaboration on the players I didn't get a chance to iso and when I have the time to sit here and actually iso

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Noticed my wifomy posts and chalks it up as awkward--which is fine because I have the same feeling about her-- but deflects herself to post "I didn't roll seer" which is a bit wifomy after the fact she mentions it several times throughout her posts.

its because im the INSPECTOR

After her duel against me, she went into hard attention mode against lurker which I couldn't really care less about yet besides touching up on certain players, she has mainly presented herself in forms of tunnels against certain players for explictly what they have done/said.

and

[_Zenith_]

@Charu

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by storn42

dont worry. i like FG too much to be the NK.
also

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

its because im the INSPECTOR



and

It just makes me ponder why you are going into tunnels instead of taking on everything so far

I'm fairly certain you never touched up on some players period but I can't conclude that you won't by the nearing of EoD

[_Zenith_]

oh and I just remembered EoD is tomorrow and not today whoops

[Funnygurl555]

not enough info yo

waiting on mashi + freakysnots + storn to post more. don't have enough on plop tbh
townreading dbp again but i feel like everyone would here

[Charu]

I'mma be a hispter and say backpack is a dank wolf.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

I'mma be a hispter and say backpack is a dank wolf.

(awoo)

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by lurker

yo even if i wasn't a wolf i would actually townread plop at this point, he's a bit less probe-y than i remember his wolf games being

honestly I hate seeing the "if I was a wolf then,--if I wasn't a wolf" card used

could you not use it because it indicates you have to justify your actions as something you are not

also this post basically says that you have a townread on plop; regardless of your alignment.

[Charles Claythorne]

Originally Posted by lurker

hey guys i'm a wolf and my partner is storn

That's one pairing off the list!

Originally Posted by storn42

hi. happy to see i'm already being voted for. wouldn't be twg if
that didn't happen
storn

Found the Jester.

Originally Posted by choof

are there any players that I can't tear into without feeling bad

choof is trying to play srs bsnss mode so I guess he's probs not a Wolf.

Originally Posted by storn42

im curious about j-rodd and mashi, the way they are playing, almost makes it seem like they're both jesters....

Double found the Jester.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Also ayy lmao my alignment is terrific I'm actually really digging my role

Triple found the Jester.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

zenith didn't say that he's definitely town this game, confirmed 3rd party or scum

unless he's a jester in which case it's a bit of a problem

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

cool unvote just to be safe

hmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Also, I have a good feeling storn is town this game

or at least not mafia

the only way you could be sure is if you ARE MAFIA
confirmed wolf gg

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ok a quick read before I head to bed (not necessarily sleep lol)

zenith is almost certainly not a jester, if people really need an explanation I'll give one

AragakiAyase seems oddly confident. Why didn't you just explain in the same post?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

sorry I went to go shower

Zenith hinted at being "hated" which made me pull my vote off of him

a jester's win con is being lynched so they'd want as many votes as possible on them, hence why I doubt he's a jester cause he didn't want my vote on him

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I still think he's 3rd party or scum though

Then why wasn't your vote on him?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Wait this might be wrong

Are jesters "scum"?

lol omg, DaBackpack, you're adorbs.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

Usually Charu makes a lot of joke posts early in TWGs, and this game he was noticeably quieter.

It's just weird because this is an act he can keep up as VT, PR, and wolf. I was wondering if Charu rolled third party this game or something or if this is just an attempt of his to change his play style.

I'll look at more stuff while I'm awake I guess. Can't sleep. Ugh.

Funnygurl's being pretty observant of Charu this game. HmmmMmmmmMMMMMmMMMM
Human lean, I guess.

Originally Posted by freakysnots

i'll be pretty tame this game. let me grab dinner first, brb in 2 hours or so.

freakysnots

Quadruple found the Jest- oh wait, I think there can only be up to two.
Uhhhhhhh, idk then

Originally Posted by freakysnots

@zenith did you softclaim hated here? given your choice of words, i think it isn't outrageous that AragakiAyase interpreted it as that.

@AA are you hated? because hated isn't red and i want to lynch a wolf today.

freakysnots seems observant and particular to small details. Giving him a Human lean, the tone of the post and his intent seems Human-aligned at the very least.
btw when it was mentioned before that zenith was hated, i thought it was making a joke about being hated in a non-twg context lol ooops

Zenith confirmed LOCK CLEAR i guess
If he's false claiming Hated Townie, it would be best for the actual Hated Townie to counterclaim, methinks, but I'll look at the setup stuff a bit later. Zenith's tone at this point has been seeming better to me now and his loving his Role makes sense from an ironic context now.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

If it satisfies you, I am neither SK or Cult Leader, I would be this obviously read or be a major point in the game thus far if I was.

Those two roles if present in this game are certainly within people who haven't posted or people who are avoiding any direction thrown on them, as you want to stay relevantly hidden as those roles (unless you are choof who immediately went town-aligned SK).

lol Zenith is so frustrated, okay you can be LOCK CLEAR now.

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

That was a good gif post I'll give you that. I just don't get why ur crying over a couple votes, hated or not, in this bastard game. Really no claim is clearing d1 anyway and I'm not gonna go further than that because it'd just help non town aligned people

I think you might be what you say you are, but you are my lynchee so I have to lynch you

hul

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I find it weird DBP got defensive on my pingvote against plop when it is 100% a pingvote and not a vote I'm willing to pursue yet DBP is acting like I'm willing to go through and build a case on a nonexistent player yet and that's really, REALLY weird.

I think they're like bfffffffs.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I was calling bullshit on you putting a pressure vote on somebody who literally had not even shown up

What's the point? Plop was gonna show up and post as a member of the game so your vote was useless. He wasn't evading anything or lurking. "Ping vote" yeah right, to me it seems more like "easy town points"

DaBackpack is HUMAN AS HECK. Like, he's almost like as LOCK CLEAR as j-rodd by like 15... billionths of a percent! That's about 42 standard deviations higher than the average!

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

For now I'm not going to speculate about cult members, lynchers, survivors, or SKs in specific. All I'm going to consider is scum, town, 3rd party, and jester.

Nawk feels townie to me so far. His big post at 225 had sound logic that didn't sound forced or irrelevant, and I mindmelded with him on a specific player that I'll bring up later (don't want to spoil the suspense, hehheh). Dap also seems townie so far, and it's not because of the fact that he's simply posting. In the game where he and mashi were scum and fakeclaimed mason he was reasonably active so I wouldn't put it by him to be an active wolf in this game or any future ones. However, his debate with zenith around 200 strikes me as coming from a townie mindset, both in what he argues as well as how he conducts the argument (ie saying "fair enough," I don't think he's being diplomatic there). I think jrodd is townie for the same reason that funny pointed out: that he wouldn't be this enthusiastic about playing and joking around if he had rolled scum for the 11th time. Of course jrodd could be faking his tone and pretending to be enthusiastic out of necessity, since if he was unenthusiastic everybody would call him out on it...at this point I don't think that's the case though.

I have a slight town lean on AA for the same pure-ish tone that he had in the jTWG I played with him, and his theorizing about zenith being the jester doesn't seem to be fake. He does seem a little hesitant to post based on what I can recall, so maybe he's a 3rd party of some sort? Or maybe a PR? Slight town on choof too since he's playing like typical town choof but I'd like to see more out of him yet since I know he's an adept player. We did mindmeld on zenith sounding like he a VT trying to draw a kill, but I disagree with a few of his points too (such as jrodd's LOST gif being wolfy or that zenith isn't claiming hated).

Funny is null...she's quiet, she's been joking about being the seer, and her slight town reads on jrodd and choof are relatively safe reads to put forward. I also disagree with her point about charu seeming atypical, which brings me into my next read. Charu has been charuposting and that's about it save for a zenith suspicion. Can't make a call either way there. Freakysnots is null as well. Minimal posting, and I like what I see there (ie "why do you think zenith softed hated?" is a solid line of thinking), but people mentioned him being a good player so I gotta see more.

Slight scum lean on lurker. Who knows, maybe he's really telling the truth about being scum just for the fun of it, and choof made a good point at 68 about lurker being more inclined to take advantage of the setup to fuck with people. Could be 3rd party, doubt he'd be that obvious of a jester (ie "I'm a wolf with storn, freakin lynch me!"). Slight scum on storn too...he's quiet, he's making joke posts, he unvoted right after self-voting, and he ended his point about mashi/jrodd with a big "...." which made it seem like he was really unsure of what he was saying (so that he could take it back later on perhaps?).

Hate to disrupt the dream team here, but mashi is coming across as scummy again. He did the quote wall commentary and hasn't been posting much at all. But, like with all the other people who haven't been posting too much or have been quiet, it's super early into the phase so it's not entirely a point against them, just something that's gotta change moving forward.

Final read is on zenith who I, like nawk, think is the jester. He's claiming stuff and playing strangely (potentially in line with what he believes a typical wolf would play like, getting emotional and outing himself early a la red blaster and pointing in random directions) in order to draw a lynch and win himself the game. It'd be nice if a PR, 3rd party, or scum could resolve that.

tl;dr

jk

I would normally agree with you about Nighty if I didn't know him, but since I know him, I 100% expect him to fake effort and make it worthwhile for people to know that he's trying to figure things out about the setup. Wolves don't lose much of anything by trying to figure out the setup; they might even have more to gain, since they have more information than a vanilla Human. For this reason, I don't really have much of an opinion on AragakiAyase, although I found his suspecting Zenith to be a third party non-Jester, yet removing his vote off of him to be odd. Dabackpack is LOCK CLEAR. Charu's been posting intermittently, but I don't feel like his presence is as active as usual, so I think Funnygurl's assessment is accurate about him. Would like to know her opinion on it though. As much as I love lurker's shenanigans, I don't think he would claim a newish Player like storn42 as a Wolf Partner; I was thinking he could be Lyncher, but I haven't ruminated over it yet.

Too lazy to get my image right now, but pretend I posted my Kongou "YOUR READS SUCK" image here.

I disagree with you on Zenith; I think he's expressed legitimate frustration after having hard claimed Hated and I don't think he would have even done so if he were some other Role in fear of being countered.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i don't believe it ill be real I don't get why he'd try to claim anything

and you know what guys there isn't even a seer in this setup there's an inspector =)))))

lolololol omg okay Funnygurl is LOCK CLEAR.

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

I'll be the Youmu to your Yuyuko...the Sakuya to your Remilia...the Daiyousei to your Cirno...

wth get OUT he is MY mason partner
ill be the flandre to your remilia, dabackpack, choose me

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Yeah I'm agreeing that mashi should give his opinions

Charu too

Et tu Brutus?

Originally Posted by lurker

i don't get the point of being honest if this is the way i'm going to be treated
i should've just killed myself after i made that first post like i was originally planning

lurker's persistent enough that I'm pretty sure he's either third Party or Wolf tbh

Originally Posted by lurker

motherfucker i said kill storn
i can guarantee i am a vanilla wolf
i cannot guarantee what storn is

lol maybe he is the Lyncher.

Originally Posted by freakysnots

Well first of all there is a small chance he is flat out mafia claiming survivor. Plus denying a survivor + wolf joint when it is very likely at there are 2 night kills is pretty good. Claiming survivor this early in the game is antitown because it removes him from the wolf kill list opening the possibility of a joint play later on.

just an aside, i'll be on a train tomorrow night (and it doesn't have wifi) so i can give one more set of reads in the morning. unless something drastic happens i want to lynch _Zenith_.

sorry about the activity level, i didn't realize 48 hour days would be this hard on me

Hmmm, freakysnots is being logical about this, but doing so in a way that's a bit counter-intuitive. I feel like a Wolf would be less likely to go this route than a Human since it's sort of a weird thing to suggest, even if it is justified, since there's plenty of stuff going on already for Wolves to push a mislynch. Slight Human lean for it for the time being though.

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

Levelling myself some more but I think if lurker actually was lyncher then storn wouldnt be his target

Originally Posted by storn42

bingo!

Not sure if storn is being new or suspicious.
Starting to feel less like a Jester, which means my totally justified Jester read might have been wrong!!!

Originally Posted by freakysnots

my lynch priority right now is:
wolf read > survivor > no lynch > someone lurking.

brb in 8 hours

Do you have no Wolf reads at all or are they just not strong enough for you?

Charu is cruising thus far.

Zenith is LOCK CLEAR but now he's like DOUBLE bcs of the huge reads list.

okay time to figure stuff out with this mess as reference

[Charles Claythorne]

omg what if funnygurl is the lyncher and her lynchee is charu???

[lurker]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

also this post basically says that you have a townread on plop; regardless of your alignment.

holy shit i did not know that thanks for clearing up my own words to me

[_Zenith_]

Mashi is not allowed to be lynched this game cuz LOCKED CLEAR

[_Zenith_]

Mashi to answer one of your posts about me in your megalist, I think there is only one situation where someone could CC my hated claim but at the same time that one situation leads to both of us being hated so it's technically not a CC but we both would be claiming the hated modifiers

I doubt you'll see another hated claim imo

[lurker]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I doubt you'll see another hated claim imo

i'm a hated vt
you're third party
zenith

[Charu]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Mashi is not allowed to be lynched this game cuz LOCKED CLEAR

Yeah because making a multi-quote post means locked clear.

Nice man, I dig it.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by lurker

i'm a hated vt
you're third party
zenith

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


MOM, MOM GET THE CAMERA!!!

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by lurker

i'm a hated vt
you're third party
zenith

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gotem