jTWG XIII: I Spy (Humans Win Day Six) - Page 2

**chickendude** · 10-15-2005, 12:25 PM

danceguy, you have a good point there

I was off taking the PSAT's this morning, and I come back and all this crazy stuff has happened

anyway, hiyasucka, even IF there was a seer, WHY?! would they want to seer tasuke? The wolves wouldn't wolf a wolf so its pointless.

your post contains a blatant lack of thought, and I know you can think better than that from how you played last game. Either you are a wolf, and are new to it... or you decided to turn your brain off for that post.

Now I'm trying to think if there is some kind of reason behind the tasuke kill
I can't think of why it would be a revenge thing from last game, but I'm not sure

mattc16 · 10-15-2005, 12:31 PM

ok, let me get this straight:

3 masons, 3 wolves, guardian, psychic.

that leaves 8 humans.

vashthestampede0987 · 10-15-2005, 12:45 PM

You're right matt. There's no MW or seer.

dAnceguy117 · 10-15-2005, 12:52 PM

2 masons, actually. If there were 3 masons we would have this game won night 1.

MiniNeo · 10-15-2005, 12:56 PM

Em... Three masons dance guy -.-

Edit: Okay, after thinking this situation over I am going to change the guarding rule back to "Not being able to guard self". Yes that means tasuke is not the guardian.

Let the game continue.

qualy · 10-15-2005, 01:02 PM

edit: P337 teh 1337: it's 3
P337 teh 1337: I just talked to him
P337 teh 1337: there's 16 playing so he reverted to his original format.

okay, no more confusion on masons please =/

dAnceguy117 · 10-15-2005, 01:08 PM

Okay, I just talked to Neo. There's 3 masons, which means we have this game more in the bag than I thought =P

Remember, still, that this is no excuse for inactivity. Tasuke, if anything happened between you and someone else during the night, post it unless there's something you don't want the wolves to see.

MiniNeo · 10-15-2005, 01:08 PM

OKAY. I said and i quote:

"If there are no more people signing up for the next two hours i am going to start a 14 man game with 3 wolves 3 masons blah blah."

BUT. There are two more people that signed up IN that two hours. So i reverted to my original format. (I.E. the one in the first post of the host voting thread)

Now please let the game continue =<

Tasuke · 10-15-2005, 01:24 PM

Okay Thank you gaurdian. Whoever it is (meaning it ISN'T ME). I don't self gaurd anyways. So we could have easy made alliance already if i was told who people are. I cannot be on aim right now, and probably won't be able to for the rest of this weekend, but maybe a pm. Anyways, if we get an alliance it's already won.

dAnceguy117 · 10-15-2005, 01:59 PM

Okay, I'm assuming Tasuke's post means nothing out of the ordinary happened during the night. Weird, but ok.

Roles, PM him. You're the only ones who can (unless the wolves get really lucky with the wolfings or something) screw this game over for us.

I'm gonna kick things off with a vote on hiyasucka. Both his and TSA's posts seemed way off to me, but hiyasucka's seems slightly more off.

TSAGod · 10-15-2005, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vashthestampede0987

TSA your post seems kinda odd, something just sticks out from it. Not enough for me to vote for you, just a thought that I'm throwing out there.

eh...sorry. It probably was the grammar or something. That and reading it now doesn't make sense to me...oops. Post-PSAT brainfart. But all my post said is that there is no chance that Tasuke is the guardian...which has just been said...

Now for other people who have done something suspicious:

- all the people who think that Tasuke could have been the guardian. Really. Yeah, it makes sense for Tasuke to guard himself, but he could have just as easily guarded dAnceguy because he's experienced too. He probably would have, anyway. ...but that's a really bad reason...so I'll just call them stupid, even though most of them should know better...

-hiyasucka...for his obvious post of meta-strategy. Doesn't tell us anything, and its the wrong strategy. Thanks for nothing. ...though I'll let it slide if you were taking the PSAT's, but if you were, man, I hope you were lucky on your guesses...

...and Tasuke is really a name that stands out. It was probably random-ish, not like there was any information about it. He seems to be on top of things, as well. He'd definately be a late-game "you're still in the game so you must be a wolf" vote. That's probably it.

MiniNeo · 10-15-2005, 06:25 PM

OKAY

TasselFoot: what happened?
Min1ne0: i screwed up
Min1ne0: i put 3 masons instead of 2
Min1ne0: so like
Min1ne0: i went to ask kilga
TasselFoot: .... you've had that in your game since when you did host signups.
Min1ne0: and he said "I won't stop you"
Min1ne0: well
Min1ne0: cause....
Min1ne0: i dunno it is just screwed up
TasselFoot: you had 3 masons in your initial sign ups.
TasselFoot: did you only make 2 people masons?
Min1ne0: *HEAD EXPLODE*
Min1ne0: no
Min1ne0: i realized
Min1ne0: after the game started
Min1ne0: that it is going to be stack against the wolves
Min1ne0: gah...
TasselFoot: so fucking what. you had it that way, they voted for you.
TasselFoot: that is nothing to restart a game over.
Min1ne0: .........
Min1ne0: okay
TasselFoot: throw in the save.... makes it even more stacked.
Min1ne0: what shuold i do now >_<
TasselFoot: its the save that makes it unbalanced. thats all.
Min1ne0: Okay.

**nickadeemus** · 10-15-2005, 06:30 PM

GG guys. GG.

**Snapps** · 10-15-2005, 06:30 PM

And the plot thickens.

MiniNeo · 10-15-2005, 06:32 PM

Read my convo above.

Let the game continue.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-15-2005, 06:38 PM

To clarify fully....

Play the game out.

And whoever suggested the idea of self-guardian... you need to be kicked in the testicles. Looking back, it was Snapps. That makes me want to cry, as Snapps has played in TWG.

Let me make this clear. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELF GUARD. THAT HAS BEEN A RULE SINCE TWG1. I had a long conversation with Chardish about it back then, weighing the merits one way or the other, and the exact things that were said above were the reasons we did not allow it. The guardian could just sit back and guard themselves every night, and never be in danger. The guardian is about saving others, not saving themself. A self-guardian guardian creates a game that is not team oriented. Besides the fact that the guardian could come out as the guardian and never fear being attacked.

Now, the voice of GOD has spoken. Heed the words and play on.

dAnceguy117 · 10-15-2005, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSAGod

...and Tasuke is really a name that stands out. It was probably random-ish, not like there was any information about it. He seems to be on top of things, as well. He'd definately be a late-game "you're still in the game so you must be a wolf" vote. That's probably it.

Considering Neo's AIM text posted, I can't consider Tasuke a possibility. Not to mention, I probably couldn't before he posted it. Even in TWG, it's basically been proven that if the guardian reveals themself to a wolf night 1 (dumbest thing EVER), they'll get wolfed over the wolves trying to pull off some fancy shit.

Besides, if the guardian lets Tasuke die, they're fucking retarded. Saying "you're still in the game, so you must be a wolf" to someone at the center of an alliance is hilarious.

Things are stacking up against you quickly, TSA. I'm leaving my vote on hiyasucka for now because I want a response from him, but don't think I'm not watching you.

**nickadeemus** · 10-15-2005, 07:19 PM

Interesting. . .

Anyway, with 3 masons, Tasuke, guardian, and psychic together, that leaves 10 people to choose from to pull out a wolf.

If these 6 people did get together, they definitely don't need any more people in the alliance to pull out a victory, just as long as the wolved don't pick someone off from this alliance every following night.
Worst case scenario (if alliance can work together properly):
D1- 6 in Alliance, 9 people to choose from.
N2- 5 in A, 9 left, 3 wolves
D2- 5 in A, 8 left, 3 wolves
N3- 4 in A, 8 left, 3 wolves
D3- 4 in A, 7 left, 3 wolves
N4- 3 in A, 7 left, 3 wolves
D4- 3 in A, 6 left (if no wolves have died [highly unlikely], 3 wolves)
N5- 2 in A, 6 left, 3 wolves (5 humans)
Even from this point, it's possible for humans to survive to the end. If it did come down to the psychic knowing there were 3 wolves left by Day 4, it would be a good time for the alliance to spill the beans properly and get the remaining humans on their side.

The chance of this happening is very, very unlikely. We're bound to lynch one or more wolves by the 4th day, and the wolves aren't going to kill someone in the alliance each time (because the alliance shouldn't let anyone else in), making this game a piece of cake.

So, alliance. . .don't let an alliance member get lynched during the day, and we're set.

PS Snapps, I know you didn't know guardian can't save himself, but you reacted strangely when you learned that Tasuke was saved:
[22:20] gonzo4life44: 1st, 1st night save in JTWG
[22:20] snapps50: wtf
[22:20] linus17145236: it says tasuke is saved
[22:20] c r e v e lk i d: something happened already?
[22:20] snapps50: isnt it suppost to be a kill
[22:20] gonzo4life44: lucky guardian
[22:20] gamepro17616: We can say Tasuke is human then
[22:20] gamepro17616: Pretty much....
[22:20] gonzo4life44: yea
[22:21] c r e v e lk i d: that's awesome
[22:21] gonzo4life44: well he cant be wolf
[22:21] linus17145236: there are 3 wolves right?
[22:21] gamepro17616: Yeah, he's not a wolf
[22:21] gonzo4life44: cuz wolfs killed him but the guardian saved him
[22:21] gamepro17616: There's no way a wolf would die Night 1
[22:22] snapps50: what is uh
[22:22] snapps50: wait
[22:22] snapps50: wait
[22:22] snapps50: hes saved
[22:22] snapps50: how the fuck
[22:22] gamepro17616: I know
[22:22] gonzo4life44: lol
[22:22] gamepro17616: Amazing
[22:22] snapps50: hes guardian
[22:22] linus17145236: why not =O
[22:22] c r e v e lk i d: ...
[22:22] snapps50: flat out

Just want to know what was goin through your head that caused you such pained confusion.

TSAGod · 10-15-2005, 07:20 PM

eh...I'm really not being organized right now. That was not a look of suspicion. Kinda randomly tacked on. Explaining how there wasn't really much information exchange needed to save Tasuke. Hence the "..." and not the "-."

I was really talking about the saving and why it happened. Please, if you're going to vote for me, or even consider it, don't do it because my post was horridly formatted/editted, as they both were.

Sorry.

MiniNeo · 10-15-2005, 10:10 PM

You guys have 25 and a half hours before the day ends.

</pointless post>

10-15-2005, 12:25 PM	#21
chickendude Away from Computer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Massachusetts Age: 33 Posts: 1,901	danceguy, you have a good point there I was off taking the PSAT's this morning, and I come back and all this crazy stuff has happened anyway, hiyasucka, even IF there was a seer, WHY?! would they want to seer tasuke? The wolves wouldn't wolf a wolf so its pointless. your post contains a blatant lack of thought, and I know you can think better than that from how you played last game. Either you are a wolf, and are new to it... or you decided to turn your brain off for that post. Now I'm trying to think if there is some kind of reason behind the tasuke kill I can't think of why it would be a revenge thing from last game, but I'm not sure __________________

10-15-2005, 12:31 PM	#22
mattc16 FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Suffolk, England Age: 34 Posts: 524	ok, let me get this straight: 3 masons, 3 wolves, guardian, psychic. that leaves 8 humans. __________________ Click for great online poker rakeback offers!

10-15-2005, 01:24 PM	#29
Tasuke FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: where ever you aren't Age: 33 Posts: 1,671	Okay Thank you gaurdian. Whoever it is (meaning it ISN'T ME). I don't self gaurd anyways. So we could have easy made alliance already if i was told who people are. I cannot be on aim right now, and probably won't be able to for the rest of this weekend, but maybe a pm. Anyways, if we get an alliance it's already won. __________________

10-15-2005, 06:30 PM	#33
nickadeemus The spice must flow. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In the aeroplane over the sea Posts: 807	GG guys. GG. __________________ Nice.

10-15-2005, 06:38 PM	#36
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	To clarify fully.... Play the game out. And whoever suggested the idea of self-guardian... you need to be kicked in the testicles. Looking back, it was Snapps. That makes me want to cry, as Snapps has played in TWG. Let me make this clear. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELF GUARD. THAT HAS BEEN A RULE SINCE TWG1. I had a long conversation with Chardish about it back then, weighing the merits one way or the other, and the exact things that were said above were the reasons we did not allow it. The guardian could just sit back and guard themselves every night, and never be in danger. The guardian is about saving others, not saving themself. A self-guardian guardian creates a game that is not team oriented. Besides the fact that the guardian could come out as the guardian and never fear being attacked. Now, the voice of GOD has spoken. Heed the words and play on. __________________ RIP

10-15-2005, 12:52 PM	#24
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	2 masons, actually. If there were 3 masons we would have this game won night 1.

10-15-2005, 12:56 PM	#25
MiniNeo FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 454	Em... Three masons dance guy -.- Edit: Okay, after thinking this situation over I am going to change the guarding rule back to "Not being able to guard self". Yes that means tasuke is not the guardian. Let the game continue.

10-15-2005, 01:02 PM	#26
qualy FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Age: 34 Posts: 864	edit: P337 teh 1337: it's 3 P337 teh 1337: I just talked to him P337 teh 1337: there's 16 playing so he reverted to his original format. okay, no more confusion on masons please =/

10-15-2005, 01:08 PM	#27
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Okay, I just talked to Neo. There's 3 masons, which means we have this game more in the bag than I thought =P Remember, still, that this is no excuse for inactivity. Tasuke, if anything happened between you and someone else during the night, post it unless there's something you don't want the wolves to see.

10-15-2005, 01:59 PM	#30
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Okay, I'm assuming Tasuke's post means nothing out of the ordinary happened during the night. Weird, but ok. Roles, PM him. You're the only ones who can (unless the wolves get really lucky with the wolfings or something) screw this game over for us. I'm gonna kick things off with a vote on hiyasucka. Both his and TSA's posts seemed way off to me, but hiyasucka's seems slightly more off.

10-15-2005, 06:25 PM	#32
MiniNeo FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 454	OKAY TasselFoot: what happened? Min1ne0: i screwed up Min1ne0: i put 3 masons instead of 2 Min1ne0: so like Min1ne0: i went to ask kilga TasselFoot: .... you've had that in your game since when you did host signups. Min1ne0: and he said "I won't stop you" Min1ne0: well Min1ne0: cause.... Min1ne0: i dunno it is just screwed up TasselFoot: you had 3 masons in your initial sign ups. TasselFoot: did you only make 2 people masons? Min1ne0: HEAD EXPLODE Min1ne0: no Min1ne0: i realized Min1ne0: after the game started Min1ne0: that it is going to be stack against the wolves Min1ne0: gah... TasselFoot: so fucking what. you had it that way, they voted for you. TasselFoot: that is nothing to restart a game over. Min1ne0: ......... Min1ne0: okay TasselFoot: throw in the save.... makes it even more stacked. Min1ne0: what shuold i do now >_< TasselFoot: its the save that makes it unbalanced. thats all. Min1ne0: Okay.

10-15-2005, 06:30 PM	#34
Snapps NO DOUBT GET LOUD Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Age: 33 Posts: 5,648	And the plot thickens.

10-15-2005, 06:32 PM	#35
MiniNeo FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 454	Read my convo above. Let the game continue.

10-15-2005, 07:19 PM	#38
nickadeemus The spice must flow. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In the aeroplane over the sea Posts: 807	Interesting. . . Anyway, with 3 masons, Tasuke, guardian, and psychic together, that leaves 10 people to choose from to pull out a wolf. If these 6 people did get together, they definitely don't need any more people in the alliance to pull out a victory, just as long as the wolved don't pick someone off from this alliance every following night. Worst case scenario (if alliance can work together properly): D1- 6 in Alliance, 9 people to choose from. N2- 5 in A, 9 left, 3 wolves D2- 5 in A, 8 left, 3 wolves N3- 4 in A, 8 left, 3 wolves D3- 4 in A, 7 left, 3 wolves N4- 3 in A, 7 left, 3 wolves D4- 3 in A, 6 left (if no wolves have died [highly unlikely], 3 wolves) N5- 2 in A, 6 left, 3 wolves (5 humans) Even from this point, it's possible for humans to survive to the end. If it did come down to the psychic knowing there were 3 wolves left by Day 4, it would be a good time for the alliance to spill the beans properly and get the remaining humans on their side. The chance of this happening is very, very unlikely. We're bound to lynch one or more wolves by the 4th day, and the wolves aren't going to kill someone in the alliance each time (because the alliance shouldn't let anyone else in), making this game a piece of cake. So, alliance. . .don't let an alliance member get lynched during the day, and we're set. PS Snapps, I know you didn't know guardian can't save himself, but you reacted strangely when you learned that Tasuke was saved: [22:20] gonzo4life44: 1st, 1st night save in JTWG [22:20] snapps50: wtf [22:20] linus17145236: it says tasuke is saved [22:20] c r e v e lk i d: something happened already? [22:20] snapps50: isnt it suppost to be a kill [22:20] gonzo4life44: lucky guardian [22:20] gamepro17616: We can say Tasuke is human then [22:20] gamepro17616: Pretty much.... [22:20] gonzo4life44: yea [22:21] c r e v e lk i d: that's awesome [22:21] gonzo4life44: well he cant be wolf [22:21] linus17145236: there are 3 wolves right? [22:21] gamepro17616: Yeah, he's not a wolf [22:21] gonzo4life44: cuz wolfs killed him but the guardian saved him [22:21] gamepro17616: There's no way a wolf would die Night 1 [22:22] snapps50: what is uh [22:22] snapps50: wait [22:22] snapps50: wait [22:22] snapps50: hes saved [22:22] snapps50: how the fuck [22:22] gamepro17616: I know [22:22] gonzo4life44: lol [22:22] gamepro17616: Amazing [22:22] snapps50: hes guardian [22:22] linus17145236: why not =O [22:22] c r e v e lk i d: ... [22:22] snapps50: flat out Just want to know what was goin through your head that caused you such pained confusion. __________________ Nice.

10-15-2005, 07:20 PM	#39
TSAGod FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alabama...in Pennsylvania Posts: 111	eh...I'm really not being organized right now. That was not a look of suspicion. Kinda randomly tacked on. Explaining how there wasn't really much information exchange needed to save Tasuke. Hence the "..." and not the "-." I was really talking about the saving and why it happened. Please, if you're going to vote for me, or even consider it, don't do it because my post was horridly formatted/editted, as they both were. Sorry.

10-15-2005, 10:10 PM	#40
MiniNeo FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 454	You guys have 25 and a half hours before the day ends. </pointless post>

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