"Veteran" Status Discussion

[xXAll-ProXx]

A lot of really good suggestions here.

Also I actually like the idea of having an "elitist" status. It gives the good players a little prestige.

and we can give the newcomers a "noob" status. jk

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by justin_ator

You're right, I just threw out a number, 500 is probably plenty.

I was thinking more of the lines of 300.
Go with the 3's ya' know?

Also, izzy's idea of the 4th bar is very interesting.
But, what happens when you reach the vet. get point requirement? Will the ffr point system keep elevating and there will be even greater things to come with more ffr points? Or will it just poof! with the vet get?

Originally Posted by xXAll-ProXx

A lot of really good suggestions here.

Also I actually like the idea of having an "elitist" status. It gives the good players a little prestige.

and we can give the newcomers a "noob" status. jk

<3
lul... what if a newcomer(alt) just wrecks ffr and aaa's fgo? "Not a noob" title?

[Kibblre]

Originally Posted by MaxGhost

Read Justin_Ator and my posts. That solves that issue.

Yay. I just want to stay a veteran user =P.

[Ninty64]

I was bored and intrigued, so I did some math, woo!
I based my math off two things
1. Veteran status requires 3 years and 3Bil GT with 0 posts
2. Requirement for veteran status decreases with posts

dQ/dt = -kQ-f(m), Q = Grandtotal needed for Vet, k is the decrease in Q over time (t in years), f(m) is the decrease in Q per forum post.

=>dQ/dt + kQ = f(m)
->integrating factor: e^(kt)
->general solution: Q = (int(-f(m)*e^(kt)dt + c)/e^(kt)
..........................Q = -f(m)/k + ce^(-kt)
->initial condition: Q(m=0,t=3) = 3 Bill
..........................3 = -0/k + ce^(-k3)
..........................c = 3e^(3k)

->final solution: Q(m,t) = -f(m)/k + 3e^(-kt+3k)
just pick an equation f(m) that shows that rate at which forum posts decrease your veteran GT requirement, and choose a constant k that shows the rate of how your GT requirement decreases with time.

I chose f(m)=ln(m+1) and k = 0.75 as an example.
0 forum posts:
->0 years: 28.46 GT required
->1 year: 13.44 GT required
->2 years: 6.351 GT required
->3 years: 3 GT required

1000 forum posts:
->0 years: 19.25 GT required
->1 year: 4.23 GT required
->~1.5 years: 0 GT required

lol my math is probably too simple though

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by Ninty64

I was bored and intrigued, so I did some math, woo!
I based my math off two things
1. Veteran status requires 3 years and 3Bil GT with 0 posts
2. Requirement for veteran status decreases with posts

dQ/dt = -kQ-f(m), Q = Grandtotal needed for Vet, k is the decrease in Q over time (t in years), f(m) is the decrease in Q per forum post.

=>dQ/dt + kQ = f(m)
->integrating factor: e^(kt)
->general solution: Q = (int(-f(m)*e^(kt)dt + c)/e^(kt)
..........................Q = -f(m)/k + ce^(-kt)
->initial condition: Q(m=0,t=3) = 3 Bill
..........................3 = -0/k + ce^(-k3)
..........................c = 3e^(3k)

->final solution: Q(m,t) = -f(m)/k + 3e^(-kt+3k)
just pick an equation f(m) that shows that rate at which forum posts decrease your veteran GT requirement, and choose a constant k that shows the rate of how your GT requirement decreases with time.

I chose f(m)=ln(m+1) and k = 0.75 as an example.
0 forum posts:
->0 years: 28.46 GT required
->1 year: 13.44 GT required
->2 years: 6.351 GT required
->3 years: 3 GT required

1000 forum posts:
->0 years: 19.25 GT required
->1 year: 4.23 GT required
->~1.5 years: 0 GT required

lol my math is probably too simple though

Can you reconstruct this equation into a system that determines how ffr points will be accumulated?

Just wondering.

[Ninty64]

Originally Posted by Frank Munoz

Can you reconstruct this equation into a system that determines how ffr points will be accumulated?

You mean the FFR points that Izzy referred to?

[hi19hi19]

vet·er·an
n.
1. A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity

Veteran status is for people who are long experienced with the way the FFR community works. This has been arbitrarily pegged at three years. I don't care how many billion points you got in the three days after you signed up or whatever, veteran status is for people who have been part of the community for a long time. If you joined in 2011, you haven't been part of the FFR community for a long time.
If it were called "people who contribute a lot to FFR" status or something then I can understand the argument. But it's not. It's for veterans. People who have been around FFR for a long time. End of story.

The only people I can see this argument being made for are the people who have lurked for three years and only recently signed up. Except those people don't deserve veteran status either because they're stupid for not registering earlier.


tldr; current system is fine, veteran status doesn't really mean anything anyway. it shouldn't become something that means a lot. it should mean you've been registered for 3 years and nothing more. my 2c

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by Ninty64

You mean the FFR points that Izzy referred to?

Yes.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

If it were called "people who contribute a lot to FFR" status or something then I can understand the argument. But it's not. It's for veterans. People who have been around FFR for a long time. End of story.

Basically this^.


The FFR point idea does have potential in the, "people who contribute alot to FFR" group, though; maybe.

[Ninty64]

I can try. Give me a few minutes.

[shervinbmgv]

lol
"shervinbmgv"

Screw the ideas, im a vet now. pce.

I used this account for a few weeks then quit hahaha. this is what it means to be a vet.

[i love you]

I personality think that veteran status should be something you just "get" after being on a site for a while not something you get and "HOLY SHIT I GET MORE FEATURES" type of thing. In my opinion, most (if not all) of the features you get as a veteran should be features normal users should have access to. I find it really dumb that normal users are not allowed to do something as simple as "viewing other people's level ranks" or "seeing their credit transactions" or EVEN not being able to view the "FFR Top Average Players" list I mean REALLY?

This really needs to change.

[Frank Munoz]

Although, if there were to be FFR points that show how you contribute to FFR, there would have to be penalties for breaking the FFR rules.

Banned X days = -X points?


Or, posting an irrelevant comment like "lol".

Originally Posted by i love you

I personality

<3
I love this typo

[DarknessXoXLight]

Gaining a title for a certain number of tier points actually sounds like a great idea since the tier points are being revamped anyway and will hopefully be an accurate estimate of skill.

[Ninty64]

-Edited-

I totally did that derivation wrong. I.E. I suck at math. Please unquote that, you'll make me look stupid lol

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by i love you

I personality think that veteran status should be something you just "get" after being on a site for a while not something you get and "HOLY SHIT I GET MORE FEATURES" type of thing. In my opinion, most (if not all) of the features you get as a veteran should be features normal users should have access to. I find it really dumb that normal users are not allowed to do something as simple as "viewing other people's level ranks" or "seeing their credit transactions" or EVEN not being able to view the "FFR Top Average Players" list I mean REALLY?

This really needs to change.

This.

The issue is not with the veteran system, it's with determining what perks there should be for becoming a veteran. I'm all for this being reduced to NONE other than a shiny blue name and maybe the veteran song thing. That's about it.

[shervinbmgv]

I might use this as my main account now that I'm a vet.

I support Izzy's idea the most. The 4th bar would give FFR the opportunity to provide some type of achievement. like the tier breakers.

[Frank Munoz]

Editeditedit

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

Gaining a title for a certain number of tier points actually sounds like a great idea since the tier points are being revamped anyway and will hopefully be an accurate estimate of skill.

Teh' elitist title<3
hopefully. Tier points seem like the only way to determine the elitist players right now.


964, we could prolly just have it really simple, with: F = u + c + k
F = total FFR points
u = every 100 posts
c = every 1,000,000 points(Grand Total)
k = years after join date.

Or: F = u + c + (k)2
F = total FFR points
u = every 100 posts
c = every 1,000,000 points(Grand Total)
k = years after join date.

Since time is not something we can control, it should probably give off more points.

So...
Here's my FFR points in the form of my eq(s):
20 = 5 + 12 + 3
or
23 = 5 + 12 + 3(2)

(400 < 500 > 600) posts = 5 "u" points
(11 < 12 > 13) bil gt = 12 "c" points
(2 < 3 > 4) years after join date = 3 "k" points

[Frank Munoz]

It is possible that FFR points could be used for something else entirely. Like...
| FFR point(s) | Perk(s) |
1 = ability to change ur name to purple
2 = access to more fonts
3 = ect.
ect
ectectectect

Little tiny perks with more FFR points.

That way, if someone wanted to obtain something that required FFR points, they would have to get involved with The Game, and forums.

[Izzy]

There is a limitless number of things to program. Somebody just has to do and administrators have to agree on it. I love little perks, so I am all for going crazy with ffr points system and a shop etc..

[One Winged Angel]

make it so that I can use FFR points or w.e to customize and accessorize my blonde gf that I play with on the legacy engine :')