TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[inDheart]

case on t-force

he defended himself earlier with a postcount-based read which i thought was yucky and flipped it to shade wabby

also he's not here

that's about it really

[the sun fan]

I will say this for Jake; lar being lar doesn't really lean me either way

you could even conceivably be right on him for the right reasons, I just don't think I'm ever going to catch him that way and I would be surprised but not shaken if there is a significant difference between confrontational wolflar and confrontational townlar

[Charu]

Wayward Vagabond
X.X

Wineandbread
X.X

DarkManticoreX2
X

Funnygurl555
X

T-Force
X

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inDheart --> Gradiant (POST)
Gradiant --> reuben_tate (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> blindreper1179 (POST)
blindreper1179 --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
blindreper1179 --> UNVOTE (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> the sun fan (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> T-Force (POST)
inDheart --> Funnygurl555 (POST
the sun fan --> T-Force (POST)
blindreper1179 --> inDheart (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> inDheart (POST)
Gradiant --> MixMasterLar (POST)
Wineandbread --> T-Force (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> DarkManticoreX2 (POST)
the sun fan --> Wineandbread (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> T-Force (POST)
blindreper1179 --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
inDheart --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
Wineandbread --> UNVOTE (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> Wineandbread (POST)
MixMasterLar --> Funnygurl555 (POST)
Wineandbread --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
Gradiant --> DarkManticoreX2 (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> UNVOTE (POST)
inDheart --> T-Force (POST)

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Players who have UNVOTED

Wayward Vagabond

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Players who haven't voted Day 0

roundbox
mellonxcollie
T-Force
reuben_tate
DarkManticoreX2

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Less than 30 minutes!

:59 is GOOD

:00 is BAD

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by inDheart

case on t-force

he defended himself earlier with a postcount-based read which i thought was yucky and flipped it to shade wabby

also he's not here

that's about it really

I think t-force responds really bad to pressure as a wolf sometimes, not all the time but it def happens

[Wineandbread]

Busy with something but I'll say this, rb looking much better now

Should be around in about 15min

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I'm not denying that it is objective fact. It just seemed that there was little to no benefit to posting the original fact in the first place. It just seemed strange to me that you'd want to bring up something and then have others not discuss about it.

I feel like I'm wasting my time with this though...it's still bugging me but it doesn't seem to be bothering anybody else so maybe I'm just being stupid or something <_>

ok so now that he's said it's not a joke
basically i thought the joke was his idea of "playing the game" was just stating that one setup fact and leaving again

but yeah it doesn't really bother me that he thought we shouldn't talk about it, because speculation isn't really useful which is what blind was doing

[the sun fan]

btw Manti has 4 posts so...

he's tempting fate atm

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I'm not denying that it is objective fact. It just seemed that there was little to no benefit to posting the original fact in the first place. It just seemed strange to me that you'd want to bring up something and then have others not discuss about it.

I feel like I'm wasting my time with this though...it's still bugging me but it doesn't seem to be bothering anybody else so maybe I'm just being stupid or something <_>

nah, I get what you're saying

I've literally had the first post in a c9++ be me saying that there wasn't an inno child; sometimes people have a real hardon for setup stuff, especially in c9++.

If it matters its not going to be something I'm going to be able to catch someone on, but its def not at all helpful

I can /kind of/ read it in roundbox's voice and it /kind of/ feels like something he would feel like he needed to nip in the bud so I'm aite with it

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I think t-force responds really bad to pressure as a wolf sometimes, not all the time but it def happens

i have a sample size of 1 on this

i'm gonna find the turbo real quick where i subbed him into a town slot

[roundbox]

wnb post

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

I don't intend to stay on you but your defense here is well, shallow. Deflecting to other people having less posts doesn't really excuse yourself. If I voted Manti and he talked about you or raeko having low contribution too, how would you feel about that?

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

Being seen in the thread is not the same as reading/participating in the thread. I'm not too familiar with how active Gradiant is, but my main point was kind of centered around the latter part of your post because everyone is going to take into account his IC role when he posts anyways.

reading through wnb's short iso led me to some logic that I like and agree with
the former I feel is a pretty solid defense of his vote, calling out t-force's deflecting and not bringing a new case.
the latter is a new viewpoint brought to the whole "lar is being a jerk to the IC" and just feels like a good statement to me (I tried putting this into words but I failed)

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

Not Enough Information (neutral): Manti, mellon, rb, blind
The wolfiest boi I know: Gradiant

Funnygurl's recent posts felt pretty okay to me, giving what I feel to be a transparent view of her worldview. I can't really tell if she really has it out for T-Force or still joking around right now

Reuben: I think he's a bit overly defensive toward Gradiant which is a bit weird, though nothing else stood out to me as too wacky.

Ind: I have no real reasons to believe he is anything but town atm

MML: Even though I didn't like his IC callout, I think confronting Gradiant felt towny.

sunfan: The bit after he starts to "play the game" felt very stream of consciousness almost so I think it's towny. I didn't really like his vote on me but I see why he did it. Ind's pickup of his interaction with WV early really incepted some spooky feelings in me but I'm still leaning towny for now.

WV: Despite posting a fair amount I don't feel like he's done all that much this game. I'd like you to elaborate on your view of the game soon. Leaning scummy atm.

however some of these reads aren't really reads. the read on FG is a bit wishy-washy on the t-force point, ind doesn't have any evidence to back it up, and wv is only called out as scummy because he has a high post volume but hasn't said anything? seems a bit weird after mentioning some other players in the beginning. wv just had a high volume of shitposts, the inactives he noted aren't


while the reads aren't all reads, I don't think this detracts from what I find towny about his statements
I don't think I want wnb dead today (not that I was advocating it in the first place)

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by inDheart

ok so now that he's said it's not a joke
basically i thought the joke was his idea of "playing the game" was just stating that one setup fact and leaving again

but yeah it doesn't really bother me that he thought we shouldn't talk about it, because speculation isn't really useful which is what blind was doing

At this point, it's not so much his post asking others not to discuss speculation that's bothering me...what bothers me is why he posted the fact in the first place (now knowing that it wasn't posted in a joking way).

[the sun fan]

fwiw I don't really have a good idea of who should die and I'm gonna go to bed soonish so i'll just say that I like the thoughts of fg inD and ben so far, and raeko had one goodish read

There's not a vote that I could make that would make me feel good I think, I think we should vote outside of names I listed +Manti since that will get resolved unless he posts 1 more time.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by inDheart

ok so now that he's said it's not a joke
basically i thought the joke was his idea of "playing the game" was just stating that one setup fact and leaving again

but yeah it doesn't really bother me that he thought we shouldn't talk about it, because speculation isn't really useful which is what blind was doing

last word on this because it's a waste of time otherwise:

yes, me saying to stop discussing the setup was a nod to the fact that there were no other objective facts than the singular M we're presented with. trying to argue whether there could be masons based on purely conjecture and statistics leads to too many mental gymnastics.
committing to mental gymnastics about setup things you can't prove = less time to find wolfy wolves

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

feels like something he would feel like he needed to nip in the bud

I think I can be at least somewhat satisfied with this explanation.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Alright I'm leaving Gramps now and heading home which means I won't be posting because I'll be driving.

Peace be with you

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

At this point, it's not so much his post asking others not to discuss speculation that's bothering me...what bothers me is why he posted the fact in the first place (now knowing that it wasn't posted in a joking way).

I get it, it makes sense. You're not stupid for thinking it (assuming it is, in fact, something you think)

[inDheart]

eh i guess that turbo isn't really equivalent

because he was a sub he actually played the game i guess so who knows what he would have done d0

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I think I can be at least somewhat satisfied with this explanation.

well, I guess I answered for him a bit
honestly, you should need an answer from him, I guess I shouldn't have done what I did, my brain somehow concluded it was wrapped up but I think it wasn't

[the sun fan]

god ok fine I'll stay up 20 more minutes

[the sun fan]

I will say that if WV is a wolf this game he is playing consciously different than the previous wolf game he played (last turbo) and I think its entirely possible but it is rather different imo

if it was in a like, townie way, then obviously I'd be a lot more ok with him but I think the reach here is that I'm aite with him just because he's not wolfier?

its a silly read that I think I'll use for this day phase only