Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] - Page 19

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 11:26 AM

One problem with this. Take players like me who are close to getting Oni. Like people that can sdg fmo's and are on their way to getting oni. Thats one of my ultimate goals, but if OS Edit is created it is so much less of an achievement to get Oni. I feel that maybe you guys can credit yourselves with having it if you can get the AAA, but i would not make it an official token.

**bballa48** · 08-1-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by R3v0lut10nm4st3r11

One problem with this. Take players like me who are close to getting Oni. Like people that can sdg fmo's and are on their way to getting oni. Thats one of my ultimate goals, but if OS Edit is created it is so much less of an achievement to get Oni. I feel that maybe you guys can credit yourselves with having it if you can get the AAA, but i would not make it an official token.

Can't agree with this one. Oni is still a big accomplishment for each individual. I mean (and leave it to me to use a track analogy), a sub 4 mile was once reserved for only the very best in the world. Now many college guys can do it. So a sub 4 isn't as "good" on the world scene, but for each individual runner, it's a HUGE deal. It's such a great accomplishment, and just because there are others who can now run under 3:50 (those who can get EDIT) doesn't diminish the awesomeness of breaking 4 (getting ONI)

Track analogies FTMFW

OneHandNow · 08-1-2009, 11:37 AM

Does it make me a weirdo if I totally understood what you just said bballa48?

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 11:42 AM

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Can't agree with this one. Oni is still a big accomplishment for each individual. I mean (and leave it to me to use a track analogy), a sub 4 mile was once reserved for only the very best in the world. Now many college guys can do it. So a sub 4 isn't as "good" on the world scene, but for each individual runner, it's a HUGE deal. It's such a great accomplishment, and just because there are others who can now run under 3:50 (those who can get EDIT) doesn't diminish the awesomeness of breaking 4 (getting ONI)

Track analogies FTMFW

Haha good comparison, but it is sill a little bit different because oni was an achievement that used to have very few members and now has a lot just like your analogy. But the difference is that even though its still an achievement to achieve that sub 4 time, the track athletes are people that improved to get down to sub 3:50. This proposes that people have already gotten it and now want a physical token to prove it. I think that the fact they did it should be enough. That is how i feel. This would greatly diminish the value of oni. Somone would say "guess what i got oni today" and someone else would go so, "i already have edit" but they didn't just get it.

**Anakinstepwalker** · 08-1-2009, 12:21 PM

i think this is a perfect idea.. becuz about a year ago wat seemed impossible for 95% of players is now achieved so easily.. waay 2 many ppl have this skill token now. so a harder 1 would b a good idea

but probaly only 50 ppl would have it

**Anakinstepwalker** · 08-1-2009, 12:28 PM

if this token is really created there would 4 sure be only 10 members who can obtain this.. i know 5 rite off top! way 2 many members got the oni and tht shouldnt have happened

**HoneyMelonCalibrator** · 08-1-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R3v0lut10nm4st3r11

One problem with this. Take players like me who are close to getting Oni. Like people that can sdg fmo's and are on their way to getting oni. Thats one of my ultimate goals, but if OS Edit is created it is so much less of an achievement to get Oni. I feel that maybe you guys can credit yourselves with having it if you can get the AAA, but i would not make it an official token.

That may not necessarily be true for every person "on their way" to obtaining [Oni]. Saying that it will make [Oni] much less of an achievement sounds pretty subjective to me. The entire reasoning behind this token is to provide those who can obtain [Oni] easily with a challenge themselves. Infact, I'm surprised they haven't implemented a token like this as soon as players began AAA'ing FGO's. I'm no where near close to getting [Oni] and even I can agree that those who can AAA FGO files deserve to be recognized and awarded for doing so, pce.

**EAGAMES** · 08-1-2009, 12:42 PM

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This would greatly diminish the value of oni.

... because [Oni] is incredibly hard to achieve and possessing the token is of great value...

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 12:45 PM

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That may not necessarily be true for every person "on their way" to obtaining [Oni]. Saying that it will make [Oni] much less of an achievement sounds pretty subjective to me. The entire reasoning behind this token is to provide those who can obtain [Oni] easily with a challenge themselves. Infact, I'm surprised they haven't implemented a token like this as soon as players began AAA'ing FGO's. I'm no where near close to getting [Oni] and even I can agree that those who can AAA FGO files deserve to be recognized and awarded for doing so, pce.

I agree they should be recognized also, but i don't feel that a skill token is necessarily the best idea. I think oni should be the pinnacle of the tokens as far as AAA'ing goes. There are much harder tokens but thats why they are skill tokens. I beleive a good idea could be to make a it a token not a skill token. Kind of like "here we go" and "quickdraw".

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... because [Oni] is incredibly hard to achieve and possessing the token is of great value...

This is what i am talking about. It's a hell of an achievement for most players except the ones that can get this new token. Thats why i feel that they really dont need a material token to show what they have done.

**EAGAMES** · 08-1-2009, 12:50 PM

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I agree they should be recognized also, but i don't feel that a skill token is necessarily the best idea. I think oni should be the pinnacle of the tokens as far as AAA'ing goes.

... because FMOs are the pinnacle of difficulties (excluding difficulty 13's).

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There are much harder tokens but thats why they are skill tokens. I beleive a good idea could be to make a it a token not a skill token. Kind of like "here we go" and "quickdraw".

Isn't PFCing a FGO hard? Isn't that why it would be a skill token? Doesn't it take 'skills' to PFC a FGO?

You're losing me. =.='

EDIT: Why not a symbol of your achievement?

**customstuff** · 08-1-2009, 12:54 PM

I want an [edit]. After getting [Oni] there's really not much you can go for. I still have 5 ST's to get but [Edit] would just be awesome!

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 12:54 PM

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... because FMOs are the pinnacle of difficulties (excluding difficulty 13's).

Isn't PFCing a FGO hard? Isn't that why it would be a skill token? Doesn't it take 'skills' to PFC a FGO?

You're losing me. =.='

Ok i see where those two came together wrong my bad. I am just saying i feel that Oni would not be as much as an achievement for some people. I know you guys want it and all but there really are not that many people that can do this so isn't personal recognition enough? All the people that can get this are known on ffr for being good. Getting Oni can give unknown players at least some feeling of recognition. And what i meant by pinnacle was that it was for players like me. I think there are more on the verge of oni than there are able to get edit.

**EAGAMES** · 08-1-2009, 01:01 PM

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Ok i see where those two came together wrong my bad. I am just saying i feel that Oni would not be as much as an achievement for some people. I know you guys want it and all but there really are not that many people that can do this so isn't personal recognition enough? All the people that can get this are known on ffr for being good. Getting Oni can give unknown players at least some feeling of recognition. And what i meant by pinnacle was that it was for players like me. I think there are more on the verge of oni than there are able to get edit.

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Ok i see where those two came together wrong my bad. I am just saying i feel that Oni would not be as much as an achievement for some people.

It's already not as much as an achievement.

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I know you guys want it and all but there really are not that many people that can do this so isn't personal recognition enough?

Uh, so what if you can't get it? Shouldn't that inspire you to progress?

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Getting Oni can give unknown players at least some feeling of recognition. And what i meant by pinnacle was that it was for players like me.

No.
Once again, shouldn't it be of encouragment?

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I think there are more on the verge of oni than there are able to get edit.

no duh

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 01:08 PM

Ok, look. Its just two different sides talking about this. Edit would be a great achievement, and what i think i am trying to say is i wish they introduced this before people could really AAA FGO's. The reason being is that players like you dont have to earn it. They just get it. Thats what i feel the problem is. When [oni] was introduced no one could really do it yet but these 400 people worked there way up to getting it. And about my point of diminishing oni's value, this was more thinking towards myself and i realized i was being subjective. So sorry if i came off that way.

**EAGAMES** · 08-1-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by R3v0lut10nm4st3r11

Ok, look. Its just two different sides talking about this. Edit would be a great achievement, and what i think i am trying to say is i wish they introduced this before people could really AAA FGO's. The reason being is that players like you dont have to earn it. They just get it. Thats what i feel the problem is. When [oni] was introduced no one could really do it yet but these 400 people worked there way up to getting it. And about my point of diminishing oni's value, this was more thinking towards myself and i realized i was being subjective. So sorry if i came off that way.

When Oni was introduced, less than 10 members could achieve it. I remember only seeing like four for the first week or so? Would that not the case now?

Also, the requirements to get Edit aren't as easy as Oni's are. We're striving for mid-FGO+, keeping the Edit get counts low.

Also, more than half of those 400 people didn't work hard to get up there.

Also, it's ok. =]

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EAGAMES

When Oni was introduced, less than 10 members could achieve it. I remember only seeing like four for the first week or so? Would that not the case now?

Also, the requirements to get Edit aren't as easy as Oni's are. We're striving for mid-FGO+, keeping the Edit get counts low.

Also, more than half of those 400 people didn't work hard to get up there.

Also, it's ok. =]

True, true. I feel like it's a good idea and i wouldn't mind introducing it and see how it plays out. I just don't want to enter like vc or mp saying "guess what, i got [oni]!!" and having 3 other people going, wow your good. Try getting edit now noob.

[TeRa] · 08-1-2009, 01:18 PM

Try getting edit now noob.
8)

**bmah** · 08-1-2009, 01:21 PM

I think people hate knowing the fact that there would be a token that's nearly impossible for most to achieve, so they would prefer that the top players be satisfied with personal gratification on the incredible scores they achieve rather than moaning on the fact that there would always be a song they cannot play because of his or her skill level. You could say "oh, but wasn't this the same kind of mentality when otaku ONI token came out?". I think people are thinking that this new token has gone too far in terms of achievability; they want token requirements that can reasonably be achieved by a normal player. Because we all hate not getting that last token, right?

And for the top players who are looking for a new goal to achieve, most people couldn't care less because you're a minority in that case - you're just more vocal about it.

I personally don't care what happens. I won't care if I cannot achieve an FGO AAA. And it's a song we already have, just harder steps.

R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 · 08-1-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bmah

I think people hate knowing the fact that there would be a token that's nearly impossible for most to achieve, so they would prefer that the top players be satisfied with personal gratification on the incredible scores they achieve rather than moaning on the fact that there would always be a song they cannot play because of his or her skill level. You could say "oh, but wasn't this the same kind of mentality when otaku ONI token came out?". I think people are thinking that this new token has gone too far in terms of achievability; they want token requirements that can reasonably be achieved by a normal player. Because we all hate not getting that last token, right?

Kinda sorta agreed. Thats why i said it shouldn't be a skill token. Personal gratification and they fact that everyone knows they have AAA'd FGO's. Once i get oni you think anyone is going to notice?

**p4rty_b0y** · 08-1-2009, 01:30 PM

Sprite has already been denied twice on getting the token i doubt its going to happen =(

08-1-2009, 11:26 AM	#361
R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 FFR Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: tampa, florida Age: 29 Posts: 556	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] One problem with this. Take players like me who are close to getting Oni. Like people that can sdg fmo's and are on their way to getting oni. Thats one of my ultimate goals, but if OS Edit is created it is so much less of an achievement to get Oni. I feel that maybe you guys can credit yourselves with having it if you can get the AAA, but i would not make it an official token. __________________ Top 3 finishes 2nd Place-Can you Beat Dragon's Fury Tournament (expert) 2nd Place-Dragon Fury's Team Tournament (advanced) 3rd Place-Phantom/Slayer Rock Fest (advanced) This might be the stupidest comment I have ever heard in my life.

08-1-2009, 11:37 AM	#363
OneHandNow Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,305	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] Does it make me a weirdo if I totally understood what you just said bballa48?

08-1-2009, 01:08 PM	#374
R3v0lut10nm4st3r11 FFR Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: tampa, florida Age: 29 Posts: 556	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] Ok, look. Its just two different sides talking about this. Edit would be a great achievement, and what i think i am trying to say is i wish they introduced this before people could really AAA FGO's. The reason being is that players like you dont have to earn it. They just get it. Thats what i feel the problem is. When [oni] was introduced no one could really do it yet but these 400 people worked there way up to getting it. And about my point of diminishing oni's value, this was more thinking towards myself and i realized i was being subjective. So sorry if i came off that way. __________________ Top 3 finishes 2nd Place-Can you Beat Dragon's Fury Tournament (expert) 2nd Place-Dragon Fury's Team Tournament (advanced) 3rd Place-Phantom/Slayer Rock Fest (advanced) This might be the stupidest comment I have ever heard in my life.

08-1-2009, 01:18 PM	#377
[TeRa] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Age: 33 Posts: 9,922	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] Try getting edit now noob. 8)

08-1-2009, 01:21 PM	#378
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] I think people hate knowing the fact that there would be a token that's nearly impossible for most to achieve, so they would prefer that the top players be satisfied with personal gratification on the incredible scores they achieve rather than moaning on the fact that there would always be a song they cannot play because of his or her skill level. You could say "oh, but wasn't this the same kind of mentality when otaku ONI token came out?". I think people are thinking that this new token has gone too far in terms of achievability; they want token requirements that can reasonably be achieved by a normal player. Because we all hate not getting that last token, right? And for the top players who are looking for a new goal to achieve, most people couldn't care less because you're a minority in that case - you're just more vocal about it. I personally don't care what happens. I won't care if I cannot achieve an FGO AAA. And it's a song we already have, just harder steps. Last edited by bmah; 08-1-2009 at 01:25 PM..

08-1-2009, 01:30 PM	#380
p4rty_b0y FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 341	Re: Otaku Speedvibe [EDIT] Sprite has already been denied twice on getting the token i doubt its going to happen =( __________________

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