TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

If I'm voting you and the 3 wolves vote you it's KitB btw.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Yo, if you're town and you want to lose the game keep telling that shit.

Fuck off. Vote me if you want. I don't respond well to threats and it's your ass as much as mine you'd be jeopardizing

[Wineandbread]

Xel's post:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Can you pretend that Shado doesn't exist and act like we're in the next phase already with 2 wolves left to find?

You could look up at my post and tell me why they're bad. (if they are)

Also you mention this later but I wanna touch it first



There's prob one on witch, one on shado, and the other one is just... Fuck we need to flips for that one.

I can't be bothered to go deeper than page 157-168

Also



Admittedly me adding MML here is a mistake.
Rabbit would be wabby which was a stupid thing to call him sure
I'm not attatched to any single person left in the game but you. Digest that for a minute.



This post does one important flaw. It neglects on my longer post that I mentioned I ignored almost everything from the day previous.

The exception being AA's read, which I changed to agreeing with based on checking his points, which I mention I did in my longer post. Something I don't usually do when I check on reads like that.

some quotes that didn't really say much

Short hand is based on these and the other reading let me give you my current purposed possible scum team

Shado / Jade / Sunfan or Prophylaxis

I think Haku is able to be listed as town pending flips of actual wolves
My issues with greggles are mentioned
And jade is just. Three nulls. That second post I quoted. How. It's contextually awful, it's phrased super bad. uhg

BUT. This is examining current day with an assumption that shado has flipped wolf. Until Shado flips wolf don't take it immensely seriously.

BUT XEL YER READS FLOPPED ON ANOTHER

BUT XEL WHY

BUT XEL U IGNORED SHADO

BUT XEL U

it's 5:45 am I'm gonna go to bed now to some game grumps kthnx

Regarding the bolded, first off arthur looks nothing like a rabbit so I am offended smh
Second, this admittance of including MML as a mistake. Does this strike anybody else as weird? It just seems like a weird thing to mess up.

Then, we have this thing. You are once again using language like you're not sure about Shado even if every other fiber of your being is screaming to hang him up. They conflict with your primary agenda and it's really bugging me.

(MML's gonna rag on me again for quote manipulation lul)

Originally Posted by thesunfan

re: lashing out

I don't really feel like I lashed out?

I was a bit harder on Lar than I normally am, I thought he was being annoying at the time.

I don't think I ever lashed out at shado. I think I pushed him hard, but no harder than I normally push people I believe in.

I'm gonna shower then I'm gonna read the thread until I have class (which keeps me busy from 5:00 to 8:00 or so assuming I eat dinner while I'm out), but other than that I'll be here for the remainder of the phase.

Ok fair enough. Maybe I've just been too long out of the game to remember people accurately

[thesunfan]

nah, I got what you were getting at
lashing out isn't exactly how I would describe it is all

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If I'm voting you and the 3 wolves vote you it's KitB btw.

Yeah, assuming that MML and Xel are both wolves KitB is the best I could hope for. Jade always votes me too cause he's my main lynch pick.
So don't be bad, please.

[Hakulyte]

Even if I don't vote you, the odds of you getting lynched anyway are super high.

You really need to drop the defensive stuff and try to find elements to help clear yourself.

I don't see you doing that at all. It's just completely unreal.

[ShadoWolfe]

Driving. Be home in an hour.

[thesunfan]

opcorn: for Lar's inevitable "Why isn't Shado dead yet" post

[Hakulyte]

Someone who is not me explain to me what Shado is thinking.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Something Something about "knowing(?)" Vigi kill and defending Jade.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. Pretty sure I was talking about Witch's insistence that a Charu NK made total sense from their viewpoint.

reword and and try again?

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

Don't say "good stuff" to me bringing up wagons. Look at it! Analyze it! Engage with me, like you said you would yesterday, and draw your own conclusions!

I think I did draw my own conclusion. Then Witch died.

Also I'm here now so get at me. Actually let me get at you first:

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

Shado feels like he's actually trying to figure out the game. Xel's posts don't feel like he's trying to re-evaluate or figure the gamestate out; it's "tunnel onto Shado". Feels like easy scum play to me.

Fucking how? He repeats that people who are voting him are taking the easy mislynch and he's still on Xel and that's all I see. Even Haku is calling him out that he doesn't seem to be trying to clear himself by solving the game. Why don't you quote me all the good stuff he's bringing to the table for me?

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

Witch of Space: Can you please concisely explain as to why you are scumreading Shado despite his behavior and posts Today? He feels as though he is trying to work the gamestate out.

Keep saying it it might turn true!

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

Ditto with MML. I'm a little unnerved as he keeps vacillating his read on me/says that he's going to sort me but doesn't, but lots of people said he's town and I'm willing to trust dead townies. I'll re-evaluate if the game goes on.

It's just a matter of me not being able to be here as often as I would like this game. But I am here now and you're insistence that Shado looks like he's solving the gamestate is so laughably bad that I think I will engage you over it.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I think he claimed VT EoD D1 because he thought claiming JK/Vigi would get him killed instantly today.

no shit

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Call it ego, but I refuse to get swept. Pick a different wagon. If you really think I'm wolf, vote my partners. You're really NOT going to be happy if you insist on lynching me

I AM
SO FUCKING
TIRED OF SEEING
THIS RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE


SunFan did this too. No, No I will not fucking try to vote your partner if I think you are a wolf that's the dumbest fucking shit. Link me a game where that has ever worked out for town.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

opcorn: for Lar's inevitable "Why isn't Shado dead yet" post

While I have your attention: I don't care even if you do lash out at me I probably deserve it.

Know what else I deserve? The right to point out we still haven't instalost yet. Not bad for a pussy, right? to bad Xel can't back up what he preaches because with 2 votes on Shado this entire time this would have been super clear and easy for town.

[MixMasterLar]

Haku's obliviousness doing his "should the JK come out" thing makes me want to believe he isn't a part of wolf chat

Because trust me the wolves fucking knew at that point.

I still don't like Haku this game but he's probably going to end up town.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Not sure what point you're trying to make. Pretty sure I was talking about Witch's insistence that a Charu NK made total sense from their viewpoint.

reword and and try again?

Just explain why you said "Raeko as Vigi kill was stupid". The rest is no big deal.

[thesunfan]

my connection is taking a dump fml

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Just explain why you said "Raeko as Vigi kill was stupid". The rest is no big deal.

Because Vigi is suppose to be town aligned, right?

Raeko was clearly town, and if she wasn't the fact she was posting twice as much as normal meant she could be figured out more easily then anyone else. She wasn't on a serious wagon either if I recall correctly so I don't know why you'd shot someone who's clearly on your side.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

my connection is taking a dump fml

Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllla bama

[TWG Jade Harley]

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

Witch of Space: Can you please concisely explain as to why you are scumreading Shado despite his behavior and posts Today? He feels as though he is trying to work the gamestate out.

uhhh maybe im missing something but all im seeing from shado is "lynch anyone but me! lynch x instead but dont kill me!!!" 2 days in a row.

sooo when he shades that im going to vote him today, with that progression hes probably right :/

[MixMasterLar]

Hey Prophylaxis I see you down there

Holy shit Prophylaxis is an actual word hang on while I get educated

[TWG Jade Harley]

back for the rest of the phase!!!

hi wabby. i dont really know where you stand seems like your making alot of halfhearted stabs at people. want to enlighten me??? (:

[MixMasterLar]

preventive treatment against diseases?

Whatever floats your boat.

Also engage me before I have to do work stuff

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

1. I think Xel is the most likely wolf on the backpack wagon and he's been mostly meh throughout the entire game. After I did the vote analysis though I think Jade is slightly more likely scum, but I'm rolling with Jade/Xel/?? for now.

2. Possibly, with the way EoD2 went down where Shado pushed for Xel then CFD'd onto Witch? I'm not too concerned with partner stuff right now; I'm more focused on finding the individually most scummiest person since there are still three wolves alive.

I do prefer Jade for scum rather than MML.

I will say that your "I strongly urge you to consider me town" is a good look for you (though I could be bought in by the AtE), and I'm glad that you spent time commenting on my analysis. What do you think of Jade, yourself?

Magical Girl of the Cosmos is still on the edge for me. I agree with Haku's point that his contribution is a little lackluster, meaning I don't remember any really good points he made or any strong opinions he had.

I wouldn't vote him to lynch today in any case. I'm basically deciding between Xel and Shado atm

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

An all-town wagon makes the person slightly more likely to be scum because if the person being wagonned is town, then why are there no scum on the wagon? Scum need to play to their win condition, after all, which is mislynching townies.

I feel like this is not always the case, but just a difference of opinion I guess

I liked the rest of his post, and understand where he's coming from regarding Shado. Still feels like a town to me.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I don't see how you can even say this about that EoD, dude.
Maybe it's cause you replaced in, but go back and LOOK at the votecounts leading up to that.
It was four wagons all towards the end of that. Also the atmosphere was volatile as fuck. There's no way I try to pull town OFF a mislynch there if I were wolf. but yeah super late now BBL

I took a look at this again, starting 1hr before night begins.
It starts as:

3 -- Witch of Certainty -- AragakiAyase (244), Hakulyte (251), Charu (281)
2 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (210), roundbox (54)
1 -- mellonxcollie -- ShadoWolfe (220)
1 -- Charu -- DaBackpack (128)
1 -- XelNya -- TWG Jade Harley (54)
1 -- TWG Jade Harley -- Prophylaxis (55)
3 -- unvote -- Witch of Certainty (84), MixMasterLar (124), XelNya (89)
1 -- not voting -- mellonxcollie (62)

Then we get this sequence of votes:

MML > sunfan ("lynch me instead of witch")
Haku > Shado ("back to original vote")
Nothing for a while (I noticed that you are asking about DBP's inactivity)
Charu > Proph (Charu gets a response from witch about who he would shoot)
AA > Xel (idk)
Shado > Proph (I believe you were still iffy about him here because of the "hmm post seemed genuine" post)
Haku > Charu (??)
Proph > Xel (self-pres)
Haku > DBP ("lets try something else") -> at this point DBP is leading in votes with 3
AA > unvote (unsureness) -> Proph/Xel are tied for 2 votes a piece
(note that you don't mention DBP at all while this is happening)
AA > Jade (doesn't want to vote DBP)
Jade > WoC (disagreement with sunfan about witch)
Proph > Jade (Jade and Proph tied for 2nd with 2 votes)
mellon > witch (some witch quote)
(Here, post 2072, you ask Witch and Xel to vote not DBP)
Witch > Jade (pissed at jade or something I guess)
(You and others are pushing Xel to vote, post 2101)
Xel > DBP ("fuck it")
Haku > Witch (who knows anymore)
AA > DBP (reluctant vote)
(you chastise AA for voting here, post 2117)

End votes:

Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
4 -- DaBackpack -- roundbox (67), thesunfan (260), XelNya (94), AragakiAyase (263)
3 -- Witch of Certainty -- TWG Jade Harley (77), mellonxcollie (76), Hakulyte (272)
2 -- Prophylaxis -- Charu (313), ShadoWolfe (248)
2 -- TWG Jade Harley -- Prophylaxis (75), Witch of Certainty (94)
1 -- thesunfan -- MixMasterLar (131)
1 -- Charu -- DaBackpack (128)

So overall you made one post that was in favor of DBP not getting lynched. And it was addressed specifically to Xel and Witch. You might have made some before but I didn't read far back enough. I guess my question is, why didn't you campaign harder against it at eod?
Honestly though, it didn't look too bad on you. Proph's votes were kinda gross though. With Haku "being Haku" I guess, is that what we're calling it?

Two more things I want to do, after/during dinner
- look at why sunfan wanted dbp dead (he was definitely adamant about it, to the point I feel he wasn't considering anyone else)
- evaluate vote progression at eod d1