Let the shutdown begin

[FoJaR]

Sen. John McCain, who had repeatedly warned fellow Republicans not to link Obamacare demands to government spending or the debt limit, said earlier Wednesday the deal marked the "end of an agonizing odyssey" for Americans.

"It is one of the most shameful chapters I have seen in the years I've spent in the Senate," the four-term senator said.

shameful.

just shameful.

[Arntonach]

Remember the whole seperation of church and state thing? Yeah, some people work around that so they can get their relegious beliefs as la. That's what the people who voted for them want, so that's what they do. They just have to make sure they sound like they aren't influenced by religious beliefs or they'll catch hell.

I swear that last part wasn't a pun. X_X

[FoJaR]

you are the stupidest.

what you said has nothing to do wiht nothing

[Arntonach]

Sorry you ninja'd me that was directed at reincarnate.

[DotKritic]

Well... The government shutdown is over. I guess we'll see deja vu come mid to late January.

[Arntonach]

Like last year and the year before?

Jesus why do these fucktards get reelected?

[Litodude]

political alignment theory, incumbent preference (95%/85% reelection rate house/senate respectively) money, gerrymandered redistricting

[Izzy]

So what was the resolution to this issue? Did nothing drastic even change?

[FoJaR]

senate republicans agreed to a deal where obamacare will check the income levels of people

[bmah]

There is no real resolution. They just kicked back the date to February to buy more time. In actuality, they're just delaying the inevitable. The debt ceiling is so high that they should've just defaulted. The longer the delay, the more the pain racks up.

[Litodude]

no lol

u don't default as the US of A

literally everything would collapse if that were the case

have u ever missed payments on a credit card or decided not to pay for it whatsoever? big consequences huh; you can't really do shit, buy anything expensive in the future, or take out a loan for a car/repair/business/house.

ya now imagine that for the US of A LOL


edit- for emphasis u know what counties have defaulted and what happened to them? here's one: zimbabwe ROFL

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by bmah

The debt ceiling is so high that they should've just defaulted. The longer the delay, the more the pain racks up.

No, no, no -- you do not want the US to default.

Besides, our debt is not a huge problem right now. It is a huge number, yes, but our debt is super cheap, our GDP is very large, and we've been handling debt/interest payments like these for many years running without much issue (seriously, go look at the numbers right now. Smaller than you thought, right? Also note how this goes way back past the 90's, the 80's, etc.). The priority is to not let it grow to the point where it becomes a problem. We are not in a debt crisis.

The math is not terribly hard to figure out -- the problem is ideology.

[adlp]

Originally Posted by Choofers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rom-obamacare/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rom-obamacare/

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/10/1...ss-under-fire/

http://www.webpronews.com/obamacare-...exempt-2013-09

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...are-exemptions

paragraph 3 and 4 are what i was talking about

and if that's changed since 9/30/13, which it most likely has, then i guess i didnt need to bring it up so my bad

[Reincarnate]

adlp: Can you explain why exactly you are against Obamacare?

For the record: I don't like it, either (I would use a different system), but IMO anything beats what we've currently got.

[FoJaR]

Originally Posted by adlp

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...are-exemptions

paragraph 3 and 4 are what i was talking about

and if that's changed since 9/30/13, which it most likely has, then i guess i didnt need to bring it up so my bad

greedy employers are just using obamacare as an excuse to raise their profits.

they could just take that money they were using for their contributions toward healthcare and pay it to their employees instead...

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by FoJaR

greedy employers are just using obamacare as an excuse to raise their profits.

they could just take that money they were using for their contributions toward healthcare and pay it to their employees instead...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...loyee-benefits

"If Obama had fought harder for single-payer health care, business owners like you would never have to pay another premium in your lives."

[bmah]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

No, no, no -- you do not want the US to default.

Besides, our debt is not a huge problem right now. It is a huge number, yes, but our debt is super cheap, our GDP is very large, and we've been handling debt/interest payments like these for many years running without much issue (seriously, go look at the numbers right now. Smaller than you thought, right? Also note how this goes way back past the 90's, the 80's, etc.). The priority is to not let it grow to the point where it becomes a problem. We are not in a debt crisis.

The math is not terribly hard to figure out -- the problem is ideology.

I'm not saying anyone -wants- a default, I'm just saying it's hard to ignore 16 trillion dollars or so of debt. Tell me how that's not much of an issue. You can't say that is "not a debt crisis". It's already grown to become a big problem.

[DotKritic]

Inching closer to $17,000,000,000,000.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by bmah

I'm not saying anyone -wants- a default, I'm just saying it's hard to ignore 16 trillion dollars or so of debt. Tell me how that's not much of an issue. You can't say that is "not a debt crisis". It's already grown to become a big problem.

I was going to write up a big thing but figured it'd be easier to just show you a video. It's a bit old but the logic still applies:

The national debt is not "debt" as most people think of it: It's not like, say, a random person who owes a credit card company $200k or something insane. The mechanics are quite different.

[Choofers]

i heard on fox news that if we default global hunger ends