The Speedrunning Thread - Page 18

**Charu** · 01-6-2014, 11:10 PM

Telling old school FPSers (And pretty much any PC game with quicksave option) to not use quicksaves is like... telling other runners to not save their game in case something bad happens.

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Bad comparison, I know.

**Dynam0** · 01-6-2014, 11:13 PM

What runners do this? To save in a Super Metroid run is lull-worthy and it only wastes a few seconds. Meanwhile there are a bunch of places where the entire run could be lost. It's the fact that saving and loading is so instantaneous that makes it 'ugly' imo. Also a death in Quake is not a huge deal since the longest levels are still less than a minute long...saves are just so unnecessary to me

Also I'm not saying quicksaves should be banned from runs...that's silly to say that since it's a function in the game after all. I'd say the games make for lousy no-reset runs though and aren't AGDQ material (at least in the way they are practiced and performed right now).

**Charu** · 01-6-2014, 11:17 PM

I bet if those games had a quicksave button, runners would abuse it. I can see it happening anyways, lol.

**Dynam0** · 01-6-2014, 11:26 PM

Oh absolutely! It's beneficial for getting better times no doubt, but horribly unattractive to watch. I've been a member of the Elastomania community since 2004 or so and it's approached much on the same level as Quake is. Competition is almost 100% based off of IL times..hundreds of hours drilling a level that is at most 2 minutes long. In Elastomania's defense though, the physics are incredibly subtle and make no time flawless even if the level is 10 seconds long. Segmented runs are made out of these, exactly like the Quake Done Quick video that kick-started speedrunning in 1997. It makes for awesome entertainment, but it loses it's charm when placed in an all levels no-reset event imo. (unless some runners step up and practice specifically for no-reset runs and use more realistic and consistent strats)

**shenjoku** · 01-7-2014, 12:07 AM

All these doom games are so boring to watch x.x I wish MGS wasn't so damn late. I really want to watch that one.

**Charu** · 01-7-2014, 08:35 AM

Yeah, I had to miss the Halo 2 run because holy crud they just kept on pushing the time for it back and back and back before I realized that it was just not possible for me to watch anymore unless I break my sleep schedule hardcore.

What a darn shame.

darklordsarumon9 · 01-7-2014, 01:10 PM

You missed the best sword lunges ever.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 01-7-2014, 02:57 PM

Super Mario Land 2 was my childhood so this is hype

STAR SONG

**DayMan951** · 01-7-2014, 03:28 PM

sad i missed the katamari damacy run, but the halo 2 run last night was really fun to watch. i watched more of that than every other run combined so far.

darklordsarumon9 · 01-7-2014, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Super Mario Land 2 was my childhood so this is hype

STAR SONG

I remember being a kid and fucking hating that Crow.

CAW

**Xayphon** · 01-7-2014, 03:37 PM

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**One Winged Angel** · 01-7-2014, 04:02 PM

am I the only person that can't stand controllerhead

**Charu** · 01-7-2014, 04:05 PM

You mean that runner who did Kirby's Adventure?

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Throughout the entire run, I don't know if he was being sincere or he was intentionally saying what he was saying just for fun.

EtienneSM · 01-7-2014, 04:20 PM

Just realized that Breakdown isn't doing 106% for Super Meat Boy and Siglemic's not doing 120 star either?

**Reincarnate** · 01-7-2014, 04:43 PM

I think quicksaving/loading shouldn't be allowed, but that's just me.

I mean, it makes sense if your goal is to show what's possible by a human in cumulative time, but at that point, I think it's not terribly interesting and you may as well just go full TAS.

**Dynam0** · 01-7-2014, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

am I the only person that can't stand controllerhead

He's an immature stoner doucher...very obnoxious lol

EtienneSM · 01-7-2014, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I think quicksaving/loading shouldn't be allowed, but that's just me.

I mean, it makes sense if your goal is to show what's possible by a human in cumulative time, but at that point, I think it's not terribly interesting and you may as well just go full TAS.

Perhaps there could be different categories considering how different the time for a run could be with and without save states? Obviously, it probably won't happen but it would definitely separate runs better. Discussing categories for speedrunning kind of gets me mad at times because no one is ever pleased; especially when it comes to running on certain consoles.

Btw, who's controllerhead? Apparently he's not a good person from what I'm hearing and what game does he speedrun?

**Charu** · 01-7-2014, 06:22 PM

He ran Kirby's Adventure I believe yesterday in the marathon.

darklordsarumon9 · 01-7-2014, 08:32 PM

People donating $8,999 and $12,345 what the fuck. That's MAD money. All going to a good cause but holy shit.

Also Twilight Princess all dungeons so ready.

Edit - $23,456 get the fuck out of here

**shenjoku** · 01-7-2014, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darklordsarumon9

People donating $8,999 and $12,345 what the fuck. That's MAD money. All going to a good cause but holy shit.

Also Twilight Princess all dungeons so ready.

Edit - $23,456 get the fuck out of here

what. who the hell donated that much money? That's insane o.o

01-6-2014, 11:13 PM	#342
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 35 Posts: 8,987	Re: The Speedrunning Thread What runners do this? To save in a Super Metroid run is lull-worthy and it only wastes a few seconds. Meanwhile there are a bunch of places where the entire run could be lost. It's the fact that saving and loading is so instantaneous that makes it 'ugly' imo. Also a death in Quake is not a huge deal since the longest levels are still less than a minute long...saves are just so unnecessary to me Also I'm not saying quicksaves should be banned from runs...that's silly to say that since it's a function in the game after all. I'd say the games make for lousy no-reset runs though and aren't AGDQ material (at least in the way they are practiced and performed right now). Last edited by Dynam0; 01-6-2014 at 11:17 PM..

01-6-2014, 11:26 PM	#344
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 35 Posts: 8,987	Re: The Speedrunning Thread Oh absolutely! It's beneficial for getting better times no doubt, but horribly unattractive to watch. I've been a member of the Elastomania community since 2004 or so and it's approached much on the same level as Quake is. Competition is almost 100% based off of IL times..hundreds of hours drilling a level that is at most 2 minutes long. In Elastomania's defense though, the physics are incredibly subtle and make no time flawless even if the level is 10 seconds long. Segmented runs are made out of these, exactly like the Quake Done Quick video that kick-started speedrunning in 1997. It makes for awesome entertainment, but it loses it's charm when placed in an all levels no-reset event imo. (unless some runners step up and practice specifically for no-reset runs and use more realistic and consistent strats) Last edited by Dynam0; 01-6-2014 at 11:39 PM..

01-7-2014, 12:07 AM	#345
shenjoku Wubalubadubdub Join Date: May 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 1,697	Re: The Speedrunning Thread All these doom games are so boring to watch x.x I wish MGS wasn't so damn late. I really want to watch that one. __________________ boop

01-7-2014, 02:57 PM	#348
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: The Speedrunning Thread Super Mario Land 2 was my childhood so this is hype STAR SONG

01-7-2014, 03:28 PM	#349
DayMan951 yfwdbwdsb Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,255	Re: The Speedrunning Thread sad i missed the katamari damacy run, but the halo 2 run last night was really fun to watch. i watched more of that than every other run combined so far. __________________

01-7-2014, 03:37 PM	#351
Xayphon sausage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,630	Re: The Speedrunning Thread (,:

01-7-2014, 04:43 PM	#355
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: The Speedrunning Thread I think quicksaving/loading shouldn't be allowed, but that's just me. I mean, it makes sense if your goal is to show what's possible by a human in cumulative time, but at that point, I think it's not terribly interesting and you may as well just go full TAS. Last edited by Reincarnate; 01-7-2014 at 04:45 PM..

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