TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by inDheart

make your own thoughts

Did MML make a post about haku being town or something

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Did MML make a post about haku being town or something

lmao yes

man, now i have to think about you not seeing that

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Did MML make a post about haku being town or something

Did wolf chat tell you that? Haha

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by inDheart

lmao yes

man, now i have to think about you not seeing that

Don't over think it. I saw a post by MML and said to myself "I'm going to post this" and so I did. I still haven't read the thread but I will I promise you

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Did wolf chat tell you that? Haha

Omg who told you that 😂

[Hakulyte]

Okay, this got ignored. #303

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

After reading mml's post I can safely say that haku is lock town

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Did MML make a post about haku being town or something

Okay what are you even doing.

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Okay, this got ignored. #303



Okay what are you even doing.

Ignoring haku is an Olympic sport I guess
This looks bad

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Okay, this got ignored. #303



Okay what are you even doing.

i talked about it, i'm voting him atm

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

why so pushy?

only "@raeko"ed you because a few people had posted between your response and my followup question, making it unclear who I was addressing

also wanted your response in the moment, so it kinda became more and more pointless the more time went on

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

IDK As opposed to Shado being a huge flaming dick?

Ok you've mentioned this twice now so I think it's better I clarify now than after game in voice or whatever

the "pat on the back" comment was really really not intended dickishly

Gradiant said I needed to get off my high horse and that I was acting better than ppl and gave the "good scumhunting" comment as an example.

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I thought he thought I meant "good scumhunting" as a condescending complement like a pat on the back kinda thing, which *WOULD* be condescending and acting better than ppl, so I TRIED to clarify that I wasn't trying to pat him on the back

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My attempt at saying I wasn't being condescending in saying "good scumhunting" ended up sounding condescending "don't go thinking I was trying to pat your back" and just made things worse

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figured I wouldn't be getting through to anyone if I tried to clarify that at the time, so I was just gonna say it after game like HEY DUDE I WASN'T BEING CONDESCENDING BUT IT'S HARD AS HELL TO CONVEY TONE IN TEXT

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by XelNya

But let me toss a bone

I will not be lynching star, roundbox or yoshl today

#fact

Originally Posted by XelNya

Also premptively star is 100% a tone read

If star is 100% a tone read, what did that make roundbox and yoshl? what were you basing your reads on them off of?

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

it's exactly because I played that game with you that I asked that. The situation last game was only possible because of OOTC allowing people to claim privately to Backpack. without OOTC, any counter-claims are done publicly within the thread. and it's just a very different situation when things are being done all in thread, there is way less pressure on the individual PRs and I thought that's what you were talking about in your post.

I guess I just don't see the same parallels as you do, but that's OK. It's not really something I want to focus on and I find it weird that you want to focus on it so heavily.

@Raeko

In this post, between the "but that's ok" and the "I find it weird", which one were you leaning towards more?

When you said "weird", did you mean from an alignment indicative standpoint or did you think he was town and just being too focused on the last game?

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Ok you've mentioned this twice now so I think it's better I clarify now than after game in voice or whatever

the "pat on the back" comment was really really not intended dickishly

Gradiant said I needed to get off my high horse and that I was acting better than ppl and gave the "good scumhunting" comment as an example.

-->

I thought he thought I meant "good scumhunting" as a condescending complement like a pat on the back kinda thing, which *WOULD* be condescending and acting better than ppl, so I TRIED to clarify that I wasn't trying to pat him on the back

-->

My attempt at saying I wasn't being condescending in saying "good scumhunting" ended up sounding condescending "don't go thinking I was trying to pat your back" and just made things worse

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figured I wouldn't be getting through to anyone if I tried to clarify that at the time, so I was just gonna say it after game like HEY DUDE I WASN'T BEING CONDESCENDING BUT IT'S HARD AS HELL TO CONVEY TONE IN TEXT

No matter how you intend to say that 'pat yourself on the back' part, it's impossible for anybody reading it to see it as anything but dickish. And as I said before several times, it wasn't the 'good scumhunting' that was condescending, but the 'but you're wrong'. Which again, was out of nowhere because I wasn't even asking you anything, I was asking mml to elaborate.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

No matter how you intend to say that 'pat yourself on the back' part, it's impossible for anybody reading it to see it as anything but dickish. And as I said before several times, it wasn't the 'good scumhunting' that was condescending, but the 'but you're wrong'. Which again, was out of nowhere because I wasn't even asking you anything, I was asking mml to elaborate.

For the last time, I wasn't answering your question. I was making a read on you. I didn't even QUOTE your question, so it's hard to believe that you still think I was answering it or interfering with it after it's already been beaten to death. This isn't even relevant to the game anymore so I don't even know why I'm bothering to try, but consider this:

Charu: "Hey T-Force mind explaining this a bit more? The rest of your post was full"
Charu: "and by full I mean you elaborated on everything except the part I asked about"

Sunfan: -quotes charu's second post- "Charu, I think you're town here for taking a nuanced scum hunting approach, but you're wrong"

Does sunfan in that situation prevent T-Force from answering Charu's question? No, he's just reading Charu. Yes, the "you're wrong" part was irrelevant and unnecessary, but it still in no way takes away from the question itself, so stop misrepresenting my post as "butting into MML answering your question" I did no such thing.

[Hakulyte]

Hey, I'm back.

Time to be uncertain about which posts I'm supposed to answer.

[flashflash account]

All of them

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

All of them

MML covered how 2 play with "Haku meta".
YoshL covered the approach where you put yourself in the shoes of the other person as both alignment and portrayed what a wolf haku could look like from his perspective based on my posts.
Shado's play was more emotional and I'm not sure how to read into it.

This post feels like it moved the game away from me.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Stop.

Neither of you have played with Haku recently.

It wasn't surprising to see a certain level of Haku fixation from Daikyi given the fallout after that one FE game, but I didn't expect this from you too.
Making scornful comments isn't productive. Reread your comment if you disagree.

It's easy to focus on Haku's bad points and see little else. It's easy to make genuine sounding posts scorning Haku when you have genuine scorn towards his play, but neither are productive or even helpful to your own slots.

If the only thing you can direct towards that slot is derisive commentary, consider ignoring the slot for a portion of the remainder of day. Focus on anything else, because it gets hard to read your slots through it.

To put it in simple words; why did you defend me here instead of waiting for me to respond ?

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

MML covered how 2 play with "Haku meta".
YoshL covered the approach where you put yourself in the shoes of the other person as both alignment and portrayed what a wolf haku could look like from his perspective based on my posts.
Shado's play was more emotional and I'm not sure how to read into it.

This post feels like it moved the game away from me.

To put it in simple words; why did you defend me here instead of waiting for me to respond ?

I find this message extremely genuine, I feel like it is hitting nuance that is more difficult to as a wolf.

[star-crossed]

I have decided I am going to go back through from the beginning, because why not.

Page 1 and 2 are a lot of nothing. I do like raeko's and xel's posting less than usual actually, but I do feel like poetrygate is a confounding factor there.

Originally Posted by inDheart

gradiant

This was funny.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I like inDheart this game so far and im having "previous game bias" on Shado/FFA atm.

Ironically this is also true of the initial rand.

Originally Posted by inDheart

not too much else to it though. ffa and i had shades of a serious conversation that no one else really cared about and i don't know if it's just because no one's dug in yet

I was kind of glossing over it and taking it as a joke since he did not vote you, though I also did not notice he wrote more than one poem/message about you being sus, for some reason. The more serious conversation to me felt like it was regarding ffa's brain state.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

[snip]
Ask the wolves, do it
Scare them with occam's razor
They will talk to you.

I still hate that I like this.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'll give a pass to FFA/Shado/star-crossed/inDheart/XelNya just because they posted 8 or more times.

Clearly, this is how this game works.

Having slept on it, this message gives me deja vu specifically to when Haku was Celestia Ludenberg (town).Who I was robbed of stopping the killing of, and I am not over it. I am kind of curious what the post counting method and how the cutoff point was chosen, but this is probably not important.

Originally Posted by Daikyi

right now im getting the vibe of a young teen trying to say things for the sake of hoping that people respomd to them for attention. another of the long posts was also super flimsy, as it was some really unprompted introspection of a past game and needing to reset or something, despite the fact that this game hasnt seen any real meat in analysis or action.

i literally just wokr up as well so im prolly going to sit on actual further analysis on this, because of waking up, and the fact that its haku, but imo its at least a thing that i wanted to put out here tbh

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did a little more rereading and haku is having some intense focus on the last game, like it seems to be way overstated in his posts. currently leaning towards it being fake remorse ish, potentially to mask wolfiness tbh

I keep going back and forth on this message. The "potentially to mask wolfiness tbh" kind of feels like a filler buzzword.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Also Haku is town because he would express all that to a wolf partner if he had one

Yosh throwing sus on Haku and not being super committal it on is more padding then what Yosh is accusing Haku of doing.

My issue and impression of this post is that there's a flippant tone and use of rhetoric that made me question if the way Lar reached the read was genuine. (I do think Lar genuinely thinks we should think Haku is town, and I also am leaning Haku as town). A big issue for me was that I was taking "express all that" too literally, I will dive into Lar's more detailed explanation of that when I get there. This really has very little to do with how Dai and Lar were discussing things from my viewpoint though.

Originally Posted by Antori

lots of new people in this game what do you guys think of me

i have slight town read on star-crossed but i think star always sounds town just by nature

departure yeah yeah (idk how to haiku)

It is actually weird to me that this message itself did not get more attention (I think I have seen a couple of people quote my reaction to it). It is a bit bizarre, and even asks most people a question that I do not think anybody answered. I also did not see a response to my questioning the second part, and my issue with saying "always sounds town just by nature" is...sweeping, and also undermining an already very slight point being made. And coming from someone who has voiced in the jTWG that town leans are basically an absence of suspicion, I am not sure this lean quite fits that mind frame.

[Antori]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

It is actually weird to me that this message itself did not get more attention (I think I have seen a couple of people quote my reaction to it). It is a bit bizarre, and even asks most people a question that I do not think anybody answered. I also did not see a response to my questioning the second part, and my issue with saying "always sounds town just by nature" is...sweeping, and also undermining an already very slight point being made. And coming from someone who has voiced in the jTWG that town leans are basically an absence of suspicion, I am not sure this lean quite fits that mind frame.

i town read people based on how they play the game and the logic and cohesion they use and it happens that everything star-crossed says makes sense to me and i can't disagree with it
if i really had to cherry pick star, pushing on Daikyi was a good move at first but the longer it went the more conversation went from "you're wrong haku is wolfy" to "why are you not towny" and i already had slight town read on him just cause he brought good discussion points
and yeah i do go about the "innocent until proven guilty" mindset and star-crossed i just really convincing at being innocent for me

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Antori

i town read people based on how they play the game and the logic and cohesion they use and it happens that everything star-crossed says makes sense to me and i can't disagree with it
if i really had to cherry pick star, pushing on Daikyi was a good move at first but the longer it went the more conversation went from "you're wrong haku is wolfy" to "why are you not towny" and i already had slight town read on him just cause he brought good discussion points
and yeah i do go about the "innocent until proven guilty" mindset and star-crossed i just really convincing at being innocent for me

well that's how things go, isn't it? question something that you're wondering about the town/wolf pov behind, then use it to influence your read. i don't see a problem with conversation flowing that way