Ingame Song Information - Page 145

**foxfire667** · 10-7-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

If Southern Cross is a VC then what the **** is a FMO anymore?

The funny thing about that is, it is easier for my to Full Combo / near AAA a few of the other "For Masters Only" songs than it is for me to full combo Southern Cross, so the fact that it would have been moved down to "Very Challenging" is kind of strange. Although of I ever AAA a "For Masters Only Song", it certainly wouldn't have been Southern Cross anyway...oh well I guess.

As long as they keep these songs on the FMO list:
Lawn Wake I
Lawn Wake IV
Silence

Then it is alright with me.

**Vanilla Mnm** · 10-7-2009, 08:40 PM

Eh, I agree with these changes. I honestly think Lawn Wake should still be an FMO, but pretty much everyone disagrees with that. All of those songs (Except Lawn Wake in my opinion) were easier than For FFR like kmay said. They're fine being VC. Choprite should also be a VC along with Novo Mundo in my opinion.

Hm, on another thought, I saw a post by someone (I forgot, maybe mhss, stavie? 0? Maybe, I forgot), but maybe we should make another difficult where all these would go. Just a thought, definitely would need expanding on.

mhss1992 · 10-7-2009, 08:43 PM

But there are so many VCs that are harder than all of these songs.
I'm not sure about Southern Cross... I kinda suck at it.
Disconnected Hardkore should be VC. There are no FMO patterns in it, even Illumination in the Sky is harder than it IMO

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Mnm

Hm, on another thought, I saw a post by someone (I forgot, maybe mhss, stavie? 0? Maybe, I forgot), but maybe we should make another difficult where all these would go. Just a thought, definitely would need expanding on.

It was Stavie, I think. I don't think that there should be another difficulty... The difficulty interval would be a bit small. If we add more and more difficulties, it will be even harder to put the songs in them, I think.

**retching oesophagus** · 10-7-2009, 09:11 PM

yes that could work. you could divide FMOs into 2 groups. 1st group will be NWE and SC ending with FFLBF. 2nd group ranging from Piano Etudes, Big Blue to stuff like FN, Lolo and Pants. anything much harder will be FGO (or 13). and yeh i really don't like SC and K8 being VC. dot death is still a VC!

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Originally Posted by kmay

we set the hardest VC as For FFR and all of those songs are easier then For FFR i agree with the change although now im not good at any FMO's

yeh but what if you find For FFR pretty AAA-able compared to songs like SC and K8 (crowbarred reference i aaad this recently lol)

freakOmani · 10-7-2009, 10:39 PM

there is no way southern cross should be a VC. i don't think there is any other song in the VCs that have jumpstream at that fast a pace

leonid · 10-7-2009, 10:57 PM

There should be a difficulty between 10 and 11 for stuffs like VC files containing hands, FMOs that don't give [oni] anymore, etc

**qqwref** · 10-7-2009, 11:04 PM

There is. It's called VC. >_>

leonid · 10-7-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by qqwref

There is. It's called VC. >_>

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Originally Posted by leonid

VC files containing hands

read again

edit: in case anyone isn't sure, I meant files that contain hands, but not as hard as typical FMO files.

leonid · 10-7-2009, 11:24 PM

Will they ever

**Hairy Cabbage** · 10-8-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

those 4 difficulty changes make sence to keep consistency between previous high-VC songs.

so how do you think when the boundary is getting pretty obscure after avmiss fix?
then prove if you think those songs are harder than previous high-VC songs.

i dont understand your post, sorry.

but hey, heres a few songs that i played, these scores are 1st try and didnt restart any of them. and all 4 songs i havent played for a while, so hey, if it was proof, this might be a little something, take a look at some scores by someone who dosent perfect every song every try...

**qqwref** · 10-8-2009, 03:35 PM

Can we bump Fei Longer up to VC? I'm comparing it with Starlight here; they are very similar (not too fast overall, long 16th jacks, similar length). Starlight's 3 months older but they've both been out for since late 2008 so that shouldn't make too much of a difference.

Starlight: 152 AAA's, need 1-0-0-4 or better to get top 200.
Fei Longer: 76 AAA's, need 6-1-0-1 or better to get top 200.

This looks like Fei Longer is objectively harder than Starlight. (My score on Fei has twice as many goods as my score on Starlight, but has a rank that's ~150 lower.) Given the top 200 scores I think it would make more sense to move Fei up than to move Starlight down.

**Vanilla Mnm** · 10-8-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hairy Cabbage

i dont understand your post, sorry.

but hey, heres a few songs that i played, these scores are 1st try and didnt restart any of them. and all 4 songs i havent played for a while, so hey, if it was proof, this might be a little something, take a look at some scores by someone who dosent perfect every song every try...

That's just you. Not everyone has the same opinion on songs, your replays prove absolutely nothing and have no use whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by qqwref

Can we bump Fei Longer up to VC? I'm comparing it with Starlight here; they are very similar (not too fast overall, long 16th jacks, similar length). Starlight's 3 months older but they've both been out for since late 2008 so that shouldn't make too much of a difference.

Starlight: 152 AAA's, need 1-0-0-4 or better to get top 200.
Fei Longer: 76 AAA's, need 6-1-0-1 or better to get top 200.

This looks like Fei Longer is objectively harder than Starlight. (My score on Fei has twice as many goods as my score on Starlight, but has a rank that's ~150 lower.) Given the top 200 scores I think it would make more sense to move Fei up than to move Starlight down.

I definitely agree with this, I've been playing both today a lot and I've realized Fei Longer should probably be a VC.

**One Winged Angel** · 10-8-2009, 04:11 PM

fei's a VC

also, I'm shocked that you did the best on hajnal, cabbage patch

I thought for the longest time that it was around 79/80 but I guess not :/

**Hairy Cabbage** · 10-8-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

fei's a VC

also, I'm shocked that you did the best on hajnal, cabbage patch

I thought for the longest time that it was around 79/80 but I guess not :/

was that an insult?

**One Winged Angel** · 10-8-2009, 05:49 PM

no lmao wtf

**Hairy Cabbage** · 10-8-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

no lmao wtf

oh,sorry, i thought you ment like... if you can do it... then it cant be as hard as i thought...

my mistake.

oh and back on topic, i defenitly think k8107 and southern cross should be changed back to masters

**One Winged Angel** · 10-8-2009, 06:11 PM

no worries, but I'm actually sticking with what I originally thought

the thing's only got 36 AAAs (probably less because I spot a few potential hackers) and it's been out for more than a year and a half

plus, the last 500 notes (the last 100 especially) are hard as **** to PA

I vote for lowest 80

**Vanilla Mnm** · 10-8-2009, 06:14 PM

No way, I disagree. I even think Hajnal should be lowered. It's easier than Going On Spring Wind in my opinion, Hajnal really isn't that hard. There is NO way it's harder than Strangeprogram, Rottel-Da-Station, Flight of the Bumblebee, and AIM Anthem.

**qqwref** · 10-8-2009, 06:18 PM

Hajnal is relatively easy to FC, just kinda hard to PA/AAA because of the colored notes and numerous rolls. Personally I think it's significantly easier than Strangeprogram, FotBB, and AIM (but those three songs become easier if you use index/one-handed, whereas Hajnal almost forces you to use spread).

**Hairy Cabbage** · 10-8-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Mnm

No way, I disagree. I even think Hajnal should be lowered. It's easier than Going On Spring Wind in my opinion, Hajnal really isn't that hard. There is NO way it's harder than Strangeprogram, Rottel-Da-Station, Flight of the Bumblebee, and AIM Anthem.

or maby fotb and aim anthem need to be higher, because lets face it... there hard as ****... or maby thats just me?

10-7-2009, 08:40 PM	#2882
Vanilla Mnm cavs Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga, New York Posts: 3,258	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Eh, I agree with these changes. I honestly think Lawn Wake should still be an FMO, but pretty much everyone disagrees with that. All of those songs (Except Lawn Wake in my opinion) were easier than For FFR like kmay said. They're fine being VC. Choprite should also be a VC along with Novo Mundo in my opinion. Hm, on another thought, I saw a post by someone (I forgot, maybe mhss, stavie? 0? Maybe, I forgot), but maybe we should make another difficult where all these would go. Just a thought, definitely would need expanding on.

10-7-2009, 10:39 PM	#2885
freakOmani FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 109	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 there is no way southern cross should be a VC. i don't think there is any other song in the VCs that have jumpstream at that fast a pace

10-7-2009, 10:57 PM	#2886
leonid I am leonid Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MOUNTAIN VIEW Age: 35 Posts: 8,080	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 There should be a difficulty between 10 and 11 for stuffs like VC files containing hands, FMOs that don't give [oni] anymore, etc __________________ Proud member of Team No

10-7-2009, 11:04 PM	#2887
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 There is. It's called VC. >_> __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

10-7-2009, 11:24 PM	#2889
leonid I am leonid Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MOUNTAIN VIEW Age: 35 Posts: 8,080	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Will they ever __________________ Proud member of Team No

10-8-2009, 03:35 PM	#2891
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Can we bump Fei Longer up to VC? I'm comparing it with Starlight here; they are very similar (not too fast overall, long 16th jacks, similar length). Starlight's 3 months older but they've both been out for since late 2008 so that shouldn't make too much of a difference. Starlight: 152 AAA's, need 1-0-0-4 or better to get top 200. Fei Longer: 76 AAA's, need 6-1-0-1 or better to get top 200. This looks like Fei Longer is objectively harder than Starlight. (My score on Fei has twice as many goods as my score on Starlight, but has a rank that's ~150 lower.) Given the top 200 scores I think it would make more sense to move Fei up than to move Starlight down. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

10-8-2009, 06:14 PM	#2898
Vanilla Mnm cavs Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga, New York Posts: 3,258	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 No way, I disagree. I even think Hajnal should be lowered. It's easier than Going On Spring Wind in my opinion, Hajnal really isn't that hard. There is NO way it's harder than Strangeprogram, Rottel-Da-Station, Flight of the Bumblebee, and AIM Anthem.

10-8-2009, 06:18 PM	#2899
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Hajnal is relatively easy to FC, just kinda hard to PA/AAA because of the colored notes and numerous rolls. Personally I think it's significantly easier than Strangeprogram, FotBB, and AIM (but those three songs become easier if you use index/one-handed, whereas Hajnal almost forces you to use spread). __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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