TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by XelNya

did greggles make any pushes on someone who wasn't me?

Like I mean harder end pushes

I don't think he made any big pushes on AA or myself, but both me and AA have pushed him and pushed each other, hence his no bussing comment. I said something similar to Haku the next time he brought it up. I can't see Shado/sunfan/AA being a realistic read for anyone who's read this game (other than Haku).

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I don't think he made any big pushes on AA or myself, but both me and AA have pushed him and pushed each other, hence his no bussing comment. I said something similar to Haku the next time he brought it up. I can't see Shado/sunfan/AA being a realistic read for anyone who's read this game (other than Haku).

I would say I've been pushing you hard
I made about 20 posts in a row calling you obvscum to the point where its like I'm watching Charu say shit and I can't physically contain myself

[ShadoWolfe]

K I'm gonna drive home. Got a couple of reports that I need to send in by midnight PST and I'm pretty tired already so idk how much you'll see me tonight. Depends on how awake I feel after I'm done.

[inDheart]

Wineandbread has replaced roundbox.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh. Cool. I totes agree with that about Roundbox's wall. I thought I was the only one underwhelmed after all his promises amd hype.
Do you know if he's given a reason for not being here?

don't know, don't really care tbh

I get that IRL happens but you have to commit at least *some* time to the game

kinda want to compare this game to roundbox's wolf game in the charge me up game I hosted

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by inDheart

Wineandbread has replaced roundbox.

speak of the fucking devil

still gonna compare

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I would say I've been pushing you hard
I made about 20 posts in a row calling you obvscum to the point where its like I'm watching Charu say shit and I can't physically contain myself

Lol pretty sure he meant at the time of your post.
Even now though I don't feel very pushed by you. AA did a pretty good job painting me in a bad light, but I've delt you're more like.. the captain of his cheer squad kinda feeling? Yeah.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by inDheart

Wineandbread has replaced roundbox.

Oh, hi! What up, wabby?
Have you been keepin up or naaahhh?

[AragakiAyase]

fuck it I don't actually want to compare I've dropped too much time atm

[Wineandbread]

I haven't been keeping up. I'm about to sleep as well, busy day tmrw.

I will be around ~6hrs before eod to play tho !_!

[ShadoWolfe]

Oh, unvote. No sense in keeping that there

[AragakiAyase]

hope to see posts from the people who haven't posted much when I wake up

especially xel

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I can't see Shado/sunfan/AA being a realistic read for anyone who's read this game (other than Haku).

My older reads are pretty conditional and probably more relevant than my recent list.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm bored, have a questionable read list by me.

1. XelNya <- Mysterious Bird (scum lean on iso)
2. Charu <- Town - Solved fmpov - Won't be touched until like Day 3+
3. AragakiAyase <- Null City (alternative scum if Shado flips town/alternative town if Shado flips wolf)
4. MixMasterLar <- Town - Solved fmpov
5. Prophylaxis <- Town (based on activity)
6. roundbox <- Town (based on iso)
7. ShadoWolfe <- Null City (alternative town if AA flips wolf/alternative wolf if AA flips town)
8. mellonxcollie <- Town tone read, weak content. (should be revisited from time to time)
9. Witch of Certainty <- Mysterious Witch - Null - (Post More Syndrome)
10. TWG Jade Harley <- Town tone read, arguably weak content like raeko. (potential open deep wolf, but I won't consider until D1+)
11. thesunfan <- Null City. Worth considering if Xel/Shado not wolf
12. DaBackpack <- Somewhere between Null and Town. (I'm not sure how to weight youtube vids vs content.)
13. Hakulyte <- Definitely a wolf and should be killed to prevent the apocalypse.

^^

[MixMasterLar]

14 pages....
Guys I'm sorry I'm tired and need the embrace of my bed right now
I promise to put In some serious work tomorrow. I seriously nodded off for a sec between this and the last sentence

[XelNya]

Also gonna note this before going too deep into anything

Originally Posted by thesunfan

xel, when did you get this read on the vigi?

I think after doing some rebrushing up on earlier parts of the day my read was wrong of who it is.

But we're possibly on the same point now. Some stuff today tips me off that I was more making an assumption I ought not to have, and I wanna punch myself for not thinking about it harder before saying anything.

Like it was a really sloppy assumption. It's just plain rood even. If you were to jump my shit for flopping on it I wouldn't even be surprised or mad about it it was that bad.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

hope to see posts from the people who haven't posted much when I wake up

especially xel

[TWG Jade Harley]

hello everyone!!

im here and reading what i missed, then ill try to address everything~

[XelNya]

This is all gonna be mostly based on post nightkills.

Also fuck you if you say it's filler or super fluffy.

tldr:

3. AragakiAyase - Town
4. MixMasterLar - null
5. Prophylaxis - Null - much potential to be town though
6. Wineandbread (roundbox) - Nulling because I wanna see wnb post but if I had a sunfan gun to muh head i'd shoot
7. ShadoWolfe - scum
9. Witch of Certainty - town lean
10. TWG Jade Harley - scum lean I dunno. It feels like the roleplay overbears your ability to play the game. Like I'm down for it but there's some content and it's just, so stale? I fail to have a good way to put this.
11. thesunfan - Town
13. Hakulyte - Town lean

I'm willing to say i think in few situations is AA a wolf here. AA can play super town when scum, but his folllow ups on the littlest things are making me town read him. I feel almost saying I can personally clear him for myself. Like, his push I go into later is hella solid, he's not had anything devistatingly bad in his pile of stuff said and done.

AA:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

well I guess my top three town has become my top 2 town, MML/haku

haku because as stated before
MML because I feel he's playing his normal town game, but in addition to that he seems to be a bit focused on the fact that I mislynched him really badly last turbo, something that I think wolf MML would be less likely to be cognizant of because different alignments.

after thinking it over I think proph is more likely to be town, because of his reaction to heavy pressure being the same way as the turbo and because of that one post he made to me about jade, where he said jade was just asking questions already asked or easily answered by reading thread. It felt like he was actually thinking about his scumreads and questioning people who viewed them differently.

so

MML/haku
proph

and really that's all I'm comfortable with

sunfan and roundbox are incredibly null for me, I was surprised to see roundbox vote backpack, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a wolf in one of these two, but if I had to pick I'd pick roundbox. I'm very wary of sunfan atm but I think today will make it clearer to me on him

I'm curious to see if later through muh recap if you actually push roundbox at all. Because if you haven't by the end of the day I'll probably scum pile you because making a statement like this and not following it up is unlike you.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this was the wagon status when I was voting, I felt like proph was doing ok and I was tinfoiling on DBP because his posts were ok but not great, as much as that runs counter to what I said about giving him a day. I thought witch would also be able to be resolved fairly well given another day to see if their reads start actually panning out, and similar to what sunfan said it seemed like it'd be too dumb for a wolf to just sit back and take shots at stuff people said while not adding much

hence the DBP vote

I do like the explanation doe.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

mostly why a charu kill, mellon had a fair amount of suspicion on her but I still think there were better targets, she didn't interact with that many people so her flip isn't terribly helpful

As someone who thinks Mellon was the nightkill of the scum team, I can agree to some of this post. I agree killing mellon would be a bad kill for both the vigi, and scum team. Mellon was potentially a mislynch, but Charu kill doesn't give town much to work with either.

If we operate as Charu for the nightkill, it stands to ask why the vigi would shoot Mellon over me.

Which... I don't know... Unless...

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

not great, it makes a little sense in that there weren't any viable wagons that he was supposedly scumreading, but it feels more like he realized he couldn't pull off the MM (mellon mislynch) and switched to someone else

To follow up on this belatedly: do you think wolf shado would then try to convince scum team to nightkill mellon? Or do you think with how Mellon plays a Vigi would consider her a good shot? (I'm really trusting you to pick up where I am going with this.)

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this feels very neutral to me, which I don't recall coming from town roundbox

it's in line with his statement of being satisfied with his vote for once, but it still doesn't feel good

AYYY HERE IT IS...

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

one more point about this before I sleep for real

he feels very calm, and given yesterday's EOD I don't think any town would be calm, even given that he was supposedly satisfied with his vote. with all the rushing around of votes and wagons it was highly likely that someone other than DBP would be lynched, which I think would get roundbox to show some fire and try to pull people to the DBP wagon. this just seems like a wolf who's ok with what's happening because most likely a town is getting lynched

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HE FOLLOWS UP.

No longer need to read through AA except for discussion purposes, but AA's pretty much got a solid town read from me.

Haku:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

hahahahaha

AA

You actually get town points for this.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Charu got killed because wolves thought he was the Vigi. It's that simple guys.

OR he's the jailkeeper. OR his death gives no information. Charu himself will make kills that give town as little information as possible. Charu could know who the vigi is, and totally kill someone else because he wans to do a thing with it. There's more than one way to pick your nightkill. (Denoteing I find this post sarcastic, but I'm saying this anyways.)

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Raeko was more towny than Charu for me.

Charu was a string of raw commentary with a few great posts.

Raeko had genuine tier plays.

I... Actually have to agreee I thought Mellon was more likely town than Charu. But I tinfoil Charu so.

But I do agree that Mellon had some plays, and her interaction with shado was more noteworthy.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Strange question of the day:

Do you think Shado realizes that AA wouldn't vote DBP here as a wolf if he was one?

I don't know why you'd ask this question knowing DBP was town. This question isn't weird it makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You have 3 votes.

Insta is 5.

Please panic a little more.

I am actually liking you more for actually hard pushing someone.

Witch:

Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

I'm not sure what's so confusing about them? I really doubt wolves kill mellon for the reason I then guess the vig did; she wasn't doing anything that helpful and keeping her around gives the wolves a potential mislynch option. As for why a Charu wolfkill...I think even I could make a couple guesses lol

This tone suggests you know one of the people who died was going to die. Mellon was certainly not doing "nothing" as far as I recall, and you also speak like it's fine for the vigi to shoot a town whom is unhelpful instead of a scum-leaned target of general town, such as myself.

Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

I don't feel like answering this because I think people should have read everything before they start throwing around questions, especially ones this aggressive. ;]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~

sunfan:

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Witch, give me some of those guesses for why you think Charu would've been killed

FUCKING FINALLY A TOWN SUNFAN POST FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY.

Originally Posted by thesunfan

never w/w
dunno beyond that, gun to my head I'd say w/t with shado as the wolf but that's only with a gun to my head

I also based PURELY on d1 phase would shoot shado between the two.

Generally like a lot of his day two, not gonna spam it. I do say on a particular note that sunfan asking me if we're on the same page is... I think fine. I don't think scumfan would do that.

Shado:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Trying awfully hard to divert attention off you, huh?
Your timing was awfully convenient after Haku(?) voted Witch to put DBP in KitB..

... I actually don't like this post atm.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I doubt they are partners, but it is interesting to note how closely Witch is tied to the both of them at this juncture.
Between sunfan's defense and AA's saving vote, Witch doesn't look too good.
I could definitely see town sunfan making that defense, though. It's something I had been saying since earlier in the phase, so it's not a big stretch imo that those were his real thoughts on it. To clarify: thoughts being that all the scumleans on Witch were likely due to a conflict in style and meta resulting in a negative view due to unfamiliarity.

I dunno if I agree with this. I don't think defending someone has any direct implications of being partners. Sure it makes 'em worth looking into but like if you dislike witch I think you're just not paying attention now.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

.. One last thing:
I'm seriously considering the possibility that I was majorly wrong about Xel yesterday. Xel gets more self conscious as a wolf; I can see him freezing at EoD and not voting, and then freezing again on an entrance now as a result of not voting at EoD (despite posting in the time leading up to it).

Xel, post please.

Want to imply this may or may not be my opinion but I am going to ask this question: is shado dragging an old meta read of me into the game at this juncture scummy in nature to anyone, due to being percivable as opertunistic.

Again, not what I am saying my opinion is on this

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh??!
If mellon was the wolf kill, why look into "whomever hard suspected" her?
Wolves don't typically kill their top "suspects". Vigis do.
Are you vigihunting or wolf hunting here, Xel?

I never addressed this and you have a super solid point. However, people who hard suspected mellon can often be wolves trying for the mislynch, and I know you know that. However, you have a strong point in why I'd ask this if I think Mellon was the wolf kill as I said. To which: I have no actual response, I dun goofed in muh logic here. Solid call out that got swept under the rug to your credit.

Prophylaxis:

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

going to review things tomorrow

things i want to hit on:

1) vote/wagon analysis, more specifically how the dbp wagon formed over the other ones at EoD, plus other 4/5 vote wagons throughout day 1. there's definitely scum on the dbp train I think

2) want to reread haku/jade/witch. haku had that "is this too scummy to be scum" thing yesterday where he just majorly bandwagonned throughout all the trains but it really unnerved me. jade i still think is scum but the witch vote felt quite opportunistic and like aa said, agenda-y, but i actually want to talk to that slot and 40 minutes from EoD is /not/ the time to do it.

i still think that witch would have hopped to the wagon on me near eod if they were actually scum, but day 2 is the time for actual content to be posted. if they keep arguing about semantics and playstyle then i'm going to snap vote them.

jade harley

Noting for later same way as AA earlier on

Originally Posted by Prophylaxis

okay haku, you /really/ need to explain your progression on me

how the heck do you go from townreading me mid day, to voting/scumreading me near eod, then having me near your top townreads as of right now?

i need to see some paper trails here

Also do like this post because it would be really weird

Jade Harley:

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

thank you for asking!

my plan for the day!!!

1. finish my witch post analysis so they can respond and i can hopefully solve them
2. interact with the people i havnt really talked to yet (proph, roundbox, mml come to mind!)
3. rebuild my read list based on these interactions
4. look for any inconsistencies and question people about them
5. lynch a wolf <3
y. wagon analysis!!!
z. question people ive already talked to again about votes yesterday

Posting for later reference

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

the tone of my posts has nothing to do with my intentions.

>if im not scumhunting, my tone wont stop you from seeing that
>if im not trying to solve the game, my tone wont stop you from seeing that
>if im not asking questions and thinking critically, my tone wont stop you from seeing that either

stop being a baby and play the game!

Sure but. You're so focused on the role play that your ability to quote posts and show your work, is actually bad.

MML:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Guys I'm kind of triggered from something else and it's hard to get my head in the game but I will post some thoughts before going to the waffle house to cool down



First and foremost are we not calling SunFan out for taking his townread and starting a wagon on it just to realize that yep, if I take someone who I've and several people have noted their towntell and lynch them they'll flip green? That's pretty disgusting yo. [twgv]SunFan if you could give me a rundown of you're line of thinking for that now that it's in the past that'll be helpfull.


Second, it looks like Witch just slipped. She shouldn't have any strong ideas on how you'd NK a guy that as far he knew lost interest in the game and was posting "yep" "jontron.gif" and "bucko" posts for half the day. It should be clear that someone who knows him made that kill and for him to already sort of understand the reasoning behind it is suspicious as fuck. I want SunFan to get at me but Witch could easily be my vote today.

Third, the fact that [WIFOM=tinfoil] AA wasn't fearkilled again suggest that he probably has a wolf or two in his strong town leans again [/WIFOM]. I mean he could be a wolf but I fucking doubt it. Even that stupid vote for DPB is something he'd do as town (And yes AA it was stupid come fight me) and I no reason to think he's a wolf otherwise. Chances are he's just being wrong and an experience player here picked Charu because it's always gotta be either Charu or AA here for d0.


Raeko as Vigi kill was stupid and chances are you gave yourself up. Why did you not pick one of the wagons instead? fuck me man you're not helping town right now.

Freezin's gimmick is stupid and I've already said as much before. Emotionally I 100% agree with Haku on this, but I believe I'm already on the trail of wolves so I can't justify lynching someone over roleplay


And to be honest anyone voting for Freezin over roleplay with the exception of "I'm way too prideful in being wrong" Hakulyte should be fucking grilled. Maybe after I eat and calm down I'll look into doing just that. You only make such lynches if you have no other leads. Actually here's me reminding myself to look at those people's scumleans later

I'm super disappointed in Roundbox right now that was one of his weakest EoDs and normally if he has a weak EoD he bounces back strong at the start of the next day. That's yet to happen unless I somehow missed his post. Might happen, not holding my breath.

....I guess I need to try and ISO Charu later but fuck I dread ever having to ISO Charu's posts. I fully expect he was probably nightkill'd not so much for his reads but for his potential though.

This is honestly a super good post both tone-wise and overall wise

Anywho onto le vote, and allow me to steal and sheep you a bit AA, because you currently sit as my top town read, and because this be a good push

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Shado's pushes this game are pretty bleh if you look at them:

He sat on Mellon for most of d1, tunneling her because she wasn't posting enough to satisfy him. He then ended up on proph, but I don't remember anything that shado even said about proph, it seemed like he just voted proph because charu did. Now he's pushing me but he's only looking at my EOD vote pretty much. He's spent most of this game focused on one person, switching only when it seems like he has an outlet. He pushed Xel very briefly but quickly got off him. I think shado as town pushes a lot more people than he has this game

Now let me iso him to make sure I'm not grossly misrepresenting him

Pretty. Much. This.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ok so here's what shado has done this game:

push very briefly on me early on
mentions a post by haku that "unnerves" him
attacks sunfan's read list
sit on mellon foreeeeeeeever, 1612 he says the majority of her posts are reactions to UTR stuff. well no shit, because that's what you pushed her on, you never actually talked about the reads she did make
pushed xel briefly for contradiction then backed off
throws out that he strongly believes there's a wolf in me/sunfan, but makes no push on that at all
he says in 1556 that he thinks witch is mostly being scumread due to style. then in 1915 he says witch is looking townier. now witch is his top candidate, but it's based on me flipping wolf which won't happen. I guess this progression isn't horrible, but lolforums making my vote look like shit when it should've come right after the VC

so he's touched briefly on a few players, but no one really outside of mellon. really? and he said at some point he was fine with sunfan being lynched, but made basically no effort to interact with him or push him aside from the reads list thing

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

some other people iso shado and tell me if I'm really cherrypicking

Based on a breif quick skim, you did not cherrypick too hard. But the WSJ does it so who cares!

He starts kinda hitting everyone but he does focus down mostly to mellon. Then me a bit as well.

Actually he has quite the amount of filler in the game earlier on.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

oh, let's see how many of those posts I quoted by mellon shado actually responded to, hmm?

mellon's post:

815: can't find anything, although DBP did respond to it in 874
913: nope
924: nope, but that's ok I guess because it's an elaboration of the read on me.
949: 952 wall of haha
1158: nope
1329: nope, in 1333 he instead chooses to talk to roundbox saying "Do not fear, I am here!"
1553: oh there's actaully a response in 1558, but it just says keep going

shado never actually presses mellon on any of her content, he kind of just watches her produce it and then sits back on his scumread. kind of like the vig turbo where he did that to dfr. no interaction with your scumread = nagl
and before he says he did interact with mellon, I can't find a single place where that didn't have to do with her not posting enough or something. when she actually posted content YOU DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT

Shado

Feels a bit odd that this train kinda dulled down a bit. AA's got a good fucking argument here with strong support, and his play today hasn't remedied it either. We as town should very much pursue this. I'm pretty sold it nets us a wolf, and flip pending our vigi can make a shot on someone else we can now kinda discuss, if we want one.

I'm tired, and this post doesn't feel like enough to clear me, but better than.... Literally my entire game so far.

Also sorry for wall posting. It legitimately was just, not avoidable. It's sooooo good for me to organize muh thoughts.

Anyways, back to getting angry at Sonic and Knuckles.

PS: I probably messed up somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I'm tired, and this post doesn't feel like enough to clear me, but better than.... Literally my entire game so far.

I'm cool with almost everything you said here surprisingly.

The only part I'm slightly confused about is the Witch town lean with the quotes you've picked up.

[ShadoWolfe]

Lalalala sorry I lost the game for y'all. Hope you read me better in the future
Also, I tried. I really did. You burnt me out and made me meltdown twiiice hahaha