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I can agree with such a definition. Phew. :3
I always thought of an atheist as someone who'd firmly answer "No", additionally adding something like "because believing in a god is ridiculous". Guess that way of looking at it is uniformally viewed as wrong by the majority of the people in this thread, so I'll adapt my vocabulary. though, Choofers, the way you put it... it's still very edgy and can be considered a belief anyway, lmao, but w/e
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Again, it would be like if I held up a locked safe and asked you to tell me what object you believed was inside. You don't know either way -- but you're not going to believe that something's inside until you have evidence to suggest it, but at the same time, you aren't going to rule it out. I'm sure you'd be pissed off, too, if I said that the contents of this safe prove that I can deprive you of your right to eat food, and if I catch you eating food, I can stone you to death. Even though neither one of us can open the safe, I claim to know what's inside it because I have faith. Quote:
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You think those answers could be considered beliefs? What dictionary are you reading lmao.
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Couldn't a "Non-belief" be considered a belief simply because they oppose what ever it may be that the next person is believing? Or am i just illiterate? Example: I don't believe in lemons being sour, then i must believe in something else correct? or can i be on the fence? But wouldn't that still be considered a belief?
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@Choofers: "I don't believe X" can be interpreted as "I believe in not X" (linguistically speaking; logically speaking this is not always right), or be translated to an "I believe in Y" (where Y is something like "anything but X") and mean the same thing; basically, an actual disbelief is a version of a belief. But then that's interpretation and I'm fine with you thinking otherwise. It's one of those things about definitions that don't really matter, so, yeah. *shrug*
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Since you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists, you are also confirming that your form of atheism IS a belief. Although you claim to be an atheist,(like most self-proclaimed atheists do) you really aren't. You are agnostic.
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You're just bending over backwards at this point to connect the word "belief" to it in any way you can, lol. EDIT: I am an agnostic atheist. Last edited by Reincarnate; 02-18-2013 at 06:36 PM.. |
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wow jtrix you're so determined as fuck to prove someone wrong or to change there mind. what are you trying to validate
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However, we have a list of possibilities what could be in the safe: a cloth, a paper, a bee's nest, nothing, and so on. We can label these options a_1, a_2, a_3... Since you cannot look into the safe, you don't truly believe in any one specific a_i. However, we must acknowledge that at least one of the a_j must be correct: either one of the options is in it, or there simply is nothing in it. So, even without being able to look into the safe, you can believe something about the contents: you believe that "a_1, a_2, a_3, ... a_x is in it, or that nothing is in it" (by definition). This belief about the safe is based on the the common knowledge (belief?!?!) that a safe is capable of containing something in general. Again, the difference between disbelief and belief are (almost) non-existent. Another example: I give you any random whole number. Do you believe it is even? Do you believe it is odd? You can't know until you look, so don't believe in any one specific (even/odd). However, you do believe that it either even or odd. So even without strict knowledge, it is possible to 100% believe.
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I can imagine that truly believing in a God that is omnipotent, all-knowing, and still loves you unconditionally can be a wonderful thing though. It would be nice if I believed something like that. Also, btw, just a friendly reminder: without science you wouldn't be posting in this thread, nor would you probably even be alive, and even if you were, you'd likely be standing in a field of grass fucking a goat.
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Science came from God. Would you not honor your mother or father, the very people whom without, you would not exist?
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