FFR Community Pack 4 Released!

[kommisar]

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

gonna have to go with the good old autism on this one

ps: no one cares, fun is subjective, technicality is subjective in the long run, just step how you wish and that's it. is everyone gonna like it? fuck no.
mass appeal sucks anyways. lol at everyone who thinks that this is, and the discussion at hand is serious.

make files becuz u like them tru story

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by kommisar

make files becuz u like them tru story

thank you captain obvious

because who hasn't been doing this already

[Snapps]

i think some of the people who stepped files didnt grow up with other files being the norm, so they dont really know an outside perspective.

i mean they do, but they don't.

shit i remember when these files would be labeled as horrid.

[bmah]

I've been stepping since 2004 or so. I've seen stepping styles change over the years. Some people may still be within the microcosms of early-mid 2000s stepping, and that's fine by me. Some still solely with pad, and that's fine by me. Let people experiment how they want with stepping.

In 2005, yes, these files would be considered overwhelming and ridiculous. Not anymore - in this community at least. I'm fine with change. I would show you how my old charts compared to the newer ones, but all of my old stuff were wiped out when bemanistyle deleted its simfile database around 2006 (and now it seems that there's no simfile database as recently as a year ago).

[stargroup100]

honestly, I think the current style changes are still a matter of the community adjusting. for example, in smg2 you can see that people were getting way too excited with those miniholds and spamming them everywhere, the same way you see in the last couple of packs people have been doing that with mines. once people figure out how to manage them properly, they'll stop being spammed and actually start being used how they were meant to be used

this outside perspective or knowing the "norm" also doesn't REALLY matter. I mean, it does, if you want your chart to be the best it can, but to capture the essence of a song the most important part is having a good ear. if someone new to charting comes along, doesn't know the "norm" yet and has a good ear that is demonstrated in the chart, we'll see it, this guy isn't going to get ignored

ps reviewed loli hard chart

[kommisar]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

thank you captain obvious

because who hasn't been doing this already

you

[rparty89]

wtf is going on?

[Coolboyrulez0]

shots fired

also do i smell some old rivalries or some shit in here lmfao

[xVaLoRx]

Originally Posted by rparty89

wtf is going on?

stepmania debates

[rparty89]

over shit no one gives a fu0c about

[bmah]

Come on, let's not ruin moches' thread now. I'd love to see more thoughts on the pack's files.

[buizel8888]

I attempted to download the full pack but I live in the middle of nowhere and my internet doesn't stay connected for that much time at a shot. Will attempt the pack parts another time.

Going on the argument about making files because you enjoy playing them: technically some people find more enjoyment in making the files themselves over playing them. I personally had more fun watching the computer play my files and seeing an idea come together than I did keyboard smashing.
Argument can be made that I haven't finished a file in a couple years or something, but that's mostly because I ran out of music to step.

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by buizel8888

I attempted to download the full pack but I live in the middle of nowhere and my internet doesn't stay connected for that much time at a shot. Will attempt the pack parts another time.

Going on the argument about making files because you enjoy playing them: technically some people find more enjoyment in making the files themselves over playing them. I personally had more fun watching the computer play my files and seeing an idea come together than I did keyboard smashing.
Argument can be made that I haven't finished a file in a couple years or something, but that's mostly because I ran out of music to step.

This pretty much, I just loved seeing my ideas come to life, and just doing this as a creative hobby. Of course I care about certain technicalities, and we all have our own opinion on the matter, and that's why everyone's review for a file is different than someone's else.

[Arntonach]

True, but that doesn't entitle ourselves to be pricks regarding someone else's opinion.

[kommisar]

the pack has a few pretty great gems

overall the pack is really lacking and is mostly generic unfun files imo.

[moches]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

if you make fun of DDream users one more time I'm gonna chop off your dick.

sigged

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Another point of discussion: is it necessarily a bad thing if a simfile artist possesses the capability of creating something that would be considered "masterful" in its purest form, but doesn't? I'm actually asking this as a person who knows they have an understanding of the construction, structure, and technical elements that make up a good file. When it comes to simfiling, I have trouble understanding what is "fun" because I like to see myself as a really high-level player that pushes boundaries, and my files tend to do the same thing. As a current example, I'm stepping Tendon by Igorrr:



In technicality, everything here is accounted for, and technically isn't overstepped, but it's quite obvious that the patterns are really rigid (and intended to be as such). When do we draw the line of being correct to the point of being "unfun", when "fun factor" is truly a subjective term? Some files considered "artful" feel right, but aren't always enjoyable to me -- for example (not a personal shot at you stargroup), I was never a huge fan of Castaway, which is a great file on a structural level. At the same time, something like dondon151's Break the Sword of Justice v2 Beginner file is something intended to have poor structure and be hard is a lot more enjoyable to me.

It's so hard to find a great balance. Where's moches? He always seems to find the medium for me (Micro Media Broth, holyfok <3).

<3

I think stargroup basically hit the nail on the head: my perception of a file has to do with seeing 1) what the stepartist set out to achieve and 2) how well that objective is executed. it's really a matter of whether what you do is reflective of the song, imo.

the tricky part (and where a lot of the disagreement about "fun factor" and "technicality" and all that jazz) becomes separating your personal taste with what you have to evaluate above. there's so many ways to play/interpret this game. I wouldn't say any of them are wrong. the problem is that people paint in broad strokes, saying that something is "overly technical" when it's clear that it wasn't specifically made for them in the first place. it's like, I hate horror films, but does that mean that I'm going to shit on a well-made movie just because I don't like it and no matter how good it was I wouldn't have liked it in the first place? that's not fair to the creator (in any medium), imo. he/she has no obligation to me.

Originally Posted by kommisar

the pack has a few pretty great gems

overall the pack is really lacking and is mostly generic unfun files imo.

and that's fine, it's personal taste. at least they're well-made.

but like bmah said, I'd love to hear what more people think about the pack (aka more reviews whores)

[Gundam-Dude]

just going to pop in and say

it's motherfucking 2013 why are you all still having any sort of discussion related to this topic jesus christ I hate you all

[moches]

because it's fun :0)

#funmanias

[t-rogdor]

thank u pat

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by Gundam-Dude

just going to pop in and say

it's motherfucking 2013 why are you all still having any sort of discussion related to this topic jesus christ I hate you all

cause we got haterz in da houze

lookin at frenchman