TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[TWG Jade Harley]

on one hand, i really like prophs posts day 0

on other hand, he needs to develop reads and post strong today to make me feel good about him still

his last 2 votes on me have had 0 context, maybe hes just busy...?

not feeling as good about him as i was before now that i relook at him

[TWG Jade Harley]

...

file this under "i cant believe i actually did that"

im done with this project, i dont think its constructive and was mostly just a product of me being on tilt against witch :[

ill post this incomplete analysis, reset witch to null and go to sleep

then wake up tomorrow and reread her content today and make a read then...

THE FORMAT:

asked: does it contain information that was offered freely without being directly asked for (X is BAD, O is GOOD)

information: does it contain original content (X is BAD, O is GOOD)

reads: does the post contain reads or leans, or thoughts conerning finding them (X is BAD, O is GOOD)


lets get started ._.


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THE FIRST 13 GAME POSTS ARE SHITPOSTS CONTAINING NO RELEVANT CONTENT, THEREFORE THEY WILL BE SKIPPED

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

A serious game question, however. How do we move into actually playing from this?
How does that usually happen here?

asked: O
content: O
reads: X

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THE NEXT 4 GAME POSTS ARE SHITPOSTS CONTAINING NO RELEVANT CONTENT, THEREFORE THEY WILL BE SKIPPED

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

Is this a game sock account, and if so, why are you the only new-to-FFR player here using one?

What took so long? Do you like RPGs?

Start your own topic?

asked: O
content: O
reads: X

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

State of my thoughts in no real order:
Charu is a town lean since I agree with/like (almost) everything he's pointed out so far and I get a sense of genuine town interest.

I like Backpack's content, as well as his responding to my question eariler by trying to bring up something specific to discuss (as I understood) , so he gets a solid town lean.

sunfan/AA look town from genuine-seeming work to figure things out.

Haku strikes me as showing a good deal of genuine town intent as well.

Shado is a town lean, I don't think a wolf risks attention and/or votes by getting into a fight like that.

A (slighter) lean goes to mellon for the aggressiveness on her end, however.

MML pushed the "UTR mellon" issue a little too much for my taste, but that's null. Un-wolfish level of aggressiveness as well. Pressuring someone into posting then criticizing them for being defensive and not really having anything to add is bad, however.

I like Proph's thoughts just now.

All others null.

Other notes:
To clarify the Backpack read, the purpose of that question was not an attempt at focusing the discussion (because bringing things out of RVS/shitpost mode is far from my strong suit) but to prompt others to bring up how and with what they would, and Backpack gave the best answer (not "someone will make a vote and content will happen" or an attempt to analyze me, but attempting to raise a topic for general discussion (whether those who hadn't spoken yet were suspicious for it or not), regardless of whether it got anywhere.

AA seems to be starting to tunnel Shado about the mellon issue.

@AragakiAyase #700 How/Why did Charu quoting my post and his reply lead you to see there wasn't any follow up when you apparently didn't before?

@thesunfan Your vote is still on XelNya. Is it still the meta read? Further/Other reasons? Just waiting for something else (more) worth voting to come up? Should I sheep you now? Or then?

asked: O
content: O
reads: O

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

You seem to have given an answer before you asked the question.

asked: ???
content: ???
reads: ???

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

Okay.

Do you have something you want to talk about?


48/24, I don't keep track of that.



Quite, I'm a fan of entertaining gifs and good music. Oh, and game-related posts that I agree with or at least find have decent reasoning behind them.

asked: X
content: O
reads: X

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

I'm not sorry that I dislike plain speculation.

Have a few:

I want chronological ISO really badly right now.

asked: X
content: X
reads: X

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

See my explanation and the posts I quoted.

These:

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reads: X

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

Are thoughts and questions less valid because they're "reactive"? Do the results matter less?



I see, I'll go along. XelNya

Is anyone going to comment on my thought that Shado's argument with mellon is not something I see a wolf getting into?

asked: X
content: O
reads: X

[Hakulyte]

unvote

[inDheart]

Votes from post 2126 to post 2423
Night in 38:42:38
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- TWG Jade Harley -- AragakiAyase (42), Prophylaxis (4)
• 1 -- thesunfan -- MixMasterLar (12)
• 1 -- roundbox -- TWG Jade Harley (49)
• 1 -- AragakiAyase -- ShadoWolfe (30)
• 1 -- unvote -- Hakulyte (90)
• 4 -- not voting -- roundbox (1), thesunfan (20), Witch of Certainty (43), XelNya (5)

[roundbox]

Fucking lol at MML for saying I haven't bounced back within 4 hours of day start

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Hm. I'd actually like this a lot if you hadn't just said you sheeped roundbox because you were confident he was town during EoD.
Did your expectation of roundbox change overnight, or is it something else that's caused your read to change so drastically?

quote where I said I was confident he was town, because I never said that this game ever

I had him as null with a very slight town lean going into EOD, the town lean because of his early game more than anything else. I said I didn't think both sunfan/roundbox were wolves, so I trusted the combination of their votes, not one of them individually

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Jade Harley

aa > i want him to respond to my posts earlier @ him. im sure before the nights over ill have a few more posts and then i can read his slot for the day!

what posts are you talking about because I don't see any

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

That's not just shading, it's a definite part of my read on you.
What do you call this very post of yours though, if not shading?

pointing out that you're shading without being passive-aggressive/shading about it

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

As I've said, his vote was opportunistically timed to take Witch (you) out of KitB, despite previous assertions that he wanted to give DBP a day, and despite maintaining a townread for majority of the day, and despite defending DBP in EoD all the way until sheeping sunfan at the very last minute.

The very same sunfan that he had just also given a day, despite noting his wariness. The very same sunfan who he's now saying he sheeped because he didn't think either sunfan or roundbox were wolves. How did wariness go to such faithful trust in a matter of minutes?

I don't buy it at all.

it's not just sheeping, if you'd read what I'd been saying, and I didn't trust sunfan that much, I just wanted to avoid a kitb and could see a world where dbp was a wolf

stop misrepresenting my posts if you don't want me to vote you

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

There's probably a wolf in Jade/AA btw and it's probably W/T based on voting and AA leaving thread.

Do some maths.

there's something called sleep

[AragakiAyase]

Shado's pushes this game are pretty bleh if you look at them:

He sat on Mellon for most of d1, tunneling her because she wasn't posting enough to satisfy him. He then ended up on proph, but I don't remember anything that shado even said about proph, it seemed like he just voted proph because charu did. Now he's pushing me but he's only looking at my EOD vote pretty much. He's spent most of this game focused on one person, switching only when it seems like he has an outlet. He pushed Xel very briefly but quickly got off him. I think shado as town pushes a lot more people than he has this game

Now let me iso him to make sure I'm not grossly misrepresenting him

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Hm. I'd actually like this a lot if you hadn't just said you sheeped roundbox because you were confident he was town during EoD.
Did your expectation of roundbox change overnight, or is it something else that's caused your read to change so drastically?

also if you'd actually take my posts into account, you'd see that roundbox is moving because I actually had time to go over his EOD posts

[AragakiAyase]

roundbox

your posts so far have been pretty meh this game, the only towny thing I have from you is your early reaction to me townleaning you. your tower post was really, really, bleh. it almost felt like you were just skating by with it, and I didn't like your EOD

please be town if you're town

[AragakiAyase]

ok so here's what shado has done this game:

push very briefly on me early on
mentions a post by haku that "unnerves" him
attacks sunfan's read list
sit on mellon foreeeeeeeever, 1612 he says the majority of her posts are reactions to UTR stuff. well no shit, because that's what you pushed her on, you never actually talked about the reads she did make
pushed xel briefly for contradiction then backed off
throws out that he strongly believes there's a wolf in me/sunfan, but makes no push on that at all
he says in 1556 that he thinks witch is mostly being scumread due to style. then in 1915 he says witch is looking townier. now witch is his top candidate, but it's based on me flipping wolf which won't happen. I guess this progression isn't horrible, but lolforums making my vote look like shit when it should've come right after the VC

so he's touched briefly on a few players, but no one really outside of mellon. really? and he said at some point he was fine with sunfan being lynched, but made basically no effort to interact with him or push him aside from the reads list thing

[AragakiAyase]

sunfan talk to me I'm in a class I don't want to be in and this game is dumb

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I said the same thing last game, but only because I thoroughly believe it.
Maybe you don't understand, Egregious Miscalculations shows exactly how well Haku can post as a wolf.
You can all keep saying "oh, lone wolf is basically SK though" and, while I agree that it's a lot harder to read lone wolves because of a lack of partner association, tone doesn't change as much. With the knowledge that he was wolf, Haku made a lot of seemingly genuine posts that got him townread until endgame. That doesn't change whether he knows his partners or not, because he still has to come up with bullshit reasons as to why he "thinks someone's a wolf", and genuinely defend himself against accusations that he's a wolf.

I think 9/10 wolves would like this post

[AragakiAyase]

greg how many wolves do you think are in

roundbox/shado

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I think 9/10 wolves would like this post

I get that town tinfoils

but it feels like shado is keeping his options open here, rather than genuine tinfoil

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

roundbox

your posts so far have been pretty meh this game, the only towny thing I have from you is your early reaction to me townleaning you. your tower post was really, really, bleh. it almost felt like you were just skating by with it, and I didn't like your EOD

please be town if you're town

Can do

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Can do

Later though