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[leonid]

This thread makes me want to start learning Poker basics.. Might re-read through these three Herrington on Hold'em books I have

[ichliebekase]

Signed up under this name. Might not be able to play every single tournament that rolls around though.

[Reincarnate]

Can someone give me a brief overview of when to determine when to properly call/check/bet/raise/go all in/fold/etc.

[leonid]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Can someone give me a brief overview of when to determine when to properly call/check/bet/raise/go all in/fold/etc.

If anyone knew that he/she would win all the money

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by leonid

If anyone knew that he/she would win all the money

I mean the basics -- i.e. moreso what NOT to do

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Can someone give me a brief overview of when to determine when to properly call/check/bet/raise/go all in/fold/etc.

That's a hard question to answer because it matters who you are playing and how play is going. I can't answer completely without writing a freaking novel because every situation is different.

You generally want to start off playing strong hands 9 handed (folding a lot of weaker ones), and bet when you are strong. However, as you get more experienced and play more experienced players things get very complicated as you always want to try to stay a step ahead of any given opponent. If your opponent is thinking, you have to think one step beyond that. And of course it matters how many people you are playing at once. Less people=see more hands.

I'll leave it at that for now.

[Reincarnate]

Hmm maybe my question will be better answered if I simply give an example.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1245/86611891.png

What is the process I should be going through?

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Hmm maybe my question will be better answered if I simply give an example.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1245/86611891.png

What is the process I should be going through?

If I were to assume this was the very first hand I'd give this a 2.5k raise and see what people do.

If someone reraises you to like 6-7.5k first hand I'd let it go because they probably have AK or AQ or a high pocket pair if they do this on the very first hand assuming people are reasonable. Because you raised from the worst position you look strong already, a reraise on you looks even stronger.


You could also just call the 1k blind but that allows everyone else into the hand and it gives someone else the possibility to pop it. You want to try to isolate.

And just folding first thing there is very weak, you probably want to play.

[Reincarnate]

I accidentally called then went all in and everyone else folded O.O won the pot somehow

[Reincarnate]

Can you explain this using variables at all?

e.g. everyone starts out with X dollars, pot is Y dollars, blinds are A and B dollars, raising means you add/subtract from this variable, calling means this, blahblahblah

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I accidentally called then went all in and everyone else folded O.O won the pot somehow

Not a winning play in the long run You might not get called often but when you get called you are ****ed.

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Can you explain this using variables at all?

e.g. everyone starts out with X dollars, pot is Y dollars, blinds are A and B dollars, raising means you add/subtract from this variable, calling means this, blahblahblah

Argh I've always had problems explaining like this.

Actually I'll give it a try be editing this again soon but it might be egregious.


There are 50 BB's worth of chips for each player.
Big blind: B.
Player X: you, player y: the reraiser.

Very first hand:
X Raises 2.5B.
Y Reraises 1.93(2.5B).
X Folds here.

[ichliebekase]

Not sure if anyone has given this overview of the ranks, but I'll post it anyway.

The ranks go like this, worst to best:

High card [Ace is the highest.]
1 pair [2 cards of the same number or face value.]
2 pair
3 of a kind [3 cards of the same number or face value.]
Straight [5 cards in numerical order, any suit. If more than one straight, highest card of the straight determines winner.]
Flush [5 cards of the same suit, any numbers. If more than one flush, person with the highest card in the flush [usually ace] wins.]
Full House [3 of a kind of one number and a pair of another number.]
Straight Flush [5 cards in numerical order of the same suit.]
Royal Straight Flush (Also called Royal Flush) [Ace, King, Queen, Jack, Ten of the same suit.]

If you're sitting with no pairs at all, it'd be your best bet not to continue to go in if someone keeps raising. Obviously, if you have a flush or straight, you may want to stay in.

If you have for example 4 clubs and someone raises/bets and there are still cards to be revealed, you have a flush draw. It means you have a chance of getting the flush, but you don't have it yet. Some people go in with draws, some people don't, it's a matter of preference.

I've been playing poker for many years, my grandpop taught me when I was little. Any questions, I'd be happy to help.

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Can you explain this using variables at all?

e.g. everyone starts out with X dollars, pot is Y dollars, blinds are A and B dollars, raising means you add/subtract from this variable, calling means this, blahblahblah

Everyone starts with X dollars. Blinds are A (small blind) and 2A (big blind). After a little while in some tournament (usually most), A will go up consistently like rounds. Whenever you bet for the first time, it will always be what 2A was (the big blind). Every time you raise that bet, it will go up by at least 2A but can go up by more. Calling means you match the bet that was placed. The pot starts at 0 at the start of every turn, but will go up whenever anyone bets and then others call.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Hmm maybe my question will be better answered if I simply give an example.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1245/86611891.png

What is the process I should be going through?

Go on facebook if you have more questions, but:

You're the first person to act here (Your position is known as 'under the gun'; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_(poker) )

This isn't a very good position, and worse positions are less profitable than good positions so if you're going to play hands, they should be fairly strong.

QT suited is strong enough to play here though, so you want to raise it up. Never 'limp' or just call before the flop if there are no raisers. Sometimes it can be ok to do this, but the general rule of thumb is that if you're opening the pot (First to act), you should always be raising and not calling if you're going to play. If you're not going to raise, fold.


I recommend raising to 3x whatever the big blind is in most opening scenarios (You would raise to 3000 total here. IN reality, since there are antes, you should raise more but to keep it simple starting off, just make your raises 3x). The goal here is to get crappy hands to fold so you can isolate yourself against fewer opponents, and also to get some more money into the pot.


If everyone folds, yeah, you win the pot. Moving all in here will get most people to fold most of the time, which means you win the blinds, but whenever you get called, it will be by strong hands that have you crushed.

[Reincarnate]

Maybe my mind is not properly equipped for this game

I am after a really, really rigorous mathematical/statistical way of looking at this game assuming risk-neutral profiles (expectation). Once I know that, I can start factoring in the psychology.

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Reach

Go on facebook if you have more questions, but:

You're the first person to act here (Your position is known as 'under the gun'; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position_(poker) )

This isn't a very good position, and worse positions are less profitable than good positions so if you're going to play hands, they should be fairly strong.

QT suited is strong enough to play here though, so you want to raise it up. Never 'limp' or just call before the flop if there are no raisers. Sometimes it can be ok to do this, but the general rule of thumb is that if you're opening the pot (First to act), you should always be raising and not calling if you're going to play. If you're not going to raise, fold.


I recommend raising to 3x whatever the big blind is in most opening scenarios (You would raise to 3000 total here. IN reality, since there are antes, you should raise more but to keep it simple starting off, just make your raises 3x). The goal here is to get crappy hands to fold so you can isolate yourself against fewer opponents, and also to get some more money into the pot.


If everyone folds, yeah, you win the pot. Moving all in here will get most people to fold most of the time, which means you win the blinds, but whenever you get called, it will be by strong hands that have you crushed.

Oh yeah I do slightly smaller raises because I'm looser than most usually.
Reach's raise size is better for you

[Without A Contraceptive]

Originally Posted by Reach

JQ hand was pretty standard man, sucks. Don't know why buddy let so many off though. Should raise flop and shove turn with 3 clubs.

So I'm like nice he has a T and proudly turn over my hand waiting for him to muck his T, and buddy shows TT. I was so shocked I actually got up and stumbled around and then decided to leave. Before I left, he was like, man I thought for sure you had the 99 I thought I had the soul read on you.

Kinda wanted to thank him for saving me money. He was spewing the whole night and I definitely call his raise there.

ya even if he ships the turn with his boat im calling with the q of clubs and trips, too tilted to fold with only $50 or so behind haha

god damn that is so bad lmao... Soul Readz

a few times ive been playing $1/2 live late after going out drinking, raised suited connectors, flopped a straight draw, bet it two streets, rivered a Pair thought it was my straight and jammed the pot, flipped my hand triumphantly only to see that i have a pair... of fours.... so embarrassing haha

[Without A Contraceptive]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Maybe my mind is not properly equipped for this game

I am after a really, really rigorous mathematical/statistical way of looking at this game assuming risk-neutral profiles (expectation). Once I know that, I can start factoring in the psychology.

id say your best bet would be to find a home game or head to ac and play a few sessions. you might lose few hundred but this is the best way to learn how to play

read the books but playing is the only way to really learn. everyone loses their first stack

[Ksl33zy24]

got pstars back... whens the next tourney, tonight?

[emerald000]

Sadly, there's no tournament scheduled right now.