TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I don't think manti would be one to control night kills. I think he would be a lot like he is in thread. Occasionally dropping a post that makes a lot of sense and should be followed up on but not doing much about it. If manti were leading the kills I think the rest of the team would have to be within like WV, Cel, and Soundwave.

I actually hadn't thought about this but I really doubt that Xiz would have left me alive last night. I think Xiz could definitely control night kills and he has very little reason to believe that I would flip on him especially after that eod. The only way it works is if the mafia team plans to get me lynched today but there really hasn't been much of that going around. This thought might actually matter a lot.

Oh, was going to say anyone who even jokes about killing you today should be voted off the island no questions ask but you make a post later that kind of underminds that view.

Originally Posted by inDheart

self pres isn't power wolfy

xel is who he settled on after DBP became kind of not an option

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Celirra

WV is starting to look a bit less town I think, I feel like if there was someone playing for the first time they would be trying harder to find the wolves to make a good first impression as town. Note the try; all I've really seen are statements mentioning going over the thread which never really result in anything, or effortless reads almost akin to Tokzic 's list. Also it seems he's just pushing off most questions asked to him which is... suspect even if he is a first time player.

Was going to post this until I saw this so imma be lazy today and just say QFT

Look at my first game I'm pretty sure I made a reads list every phase (My first game was READ THE SETUP btw)

Originally Posted by inDheart

why do you mention a bodyguard here? bodyguard would have died

And I would still believe that over double stacking on Freezin
Do you understand how fucking unlikely it is Freezin was doublestacked on?
(Also I used Bodyguard when I should have said Jailer or some similar role that protects but that's not nearly as badass an answer)

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

im looking for waldo when i don't know what waldo looks like and this is my first time checking out a where's waldo book. i'm not sure what else you expect from someone playing for the first time. there also hasn't been many questions directed at me other than providing a read list. which see the first sentence on why i find that difficult to do.

As hard as it is to do, as town we need you to do it
Even if you feel like you ain't adding much, we need to see the effort. Plus, you might stumble on something you think is not important that actually means alot more with proper context.

Worst that happens is that you're easier to toneread

Basically it's nothing but net gain

AND NOW THE ACTUAL IMPORTANT POST TODAY

Originally Posted by tiloco217

I think this game is very solvable now.

First off I fibbed a little when explaining my role. The ability I've used the past two night is an angel ability where I choose a person and they cannot die during that night phase or the following day phase aside from being lynched. I blurred the line on that one so that mafia wouldn't know that I'm essentially our medic. I'm ok with revealing this because I realized either I die tonight or I never die. Mafia knowing that I'm the medic equivalent doesn't change much.

Now what this means is there is no chance of another medic style role being in the game because I have a VERY strong medic power.

So I wasn't saved last night.

This means that the mafia didn't target me and I don't think there is ever a world where xiz does not target me last night if he was mafia. He would have assumed I had a red check on him and definitely wouldn't have let me live. Assuming xiz is town than mafia know I'm not a cop because I would have already checked xiz and found out he was green. This means the mafia can let me live with the guarantee that I won't bring any 100% evidence the following day.

The mafia then hope that I lead a lynch on Xiz, then they lead the lynch on me, and then it's game over man.

I think that a mafia manti fits into this scenario pretty easily because he started out the day on Xiz and has made it very clear that he doesn't trust me.

Aside from that there isn't really anyone that fits great into this scenario but also there isn't anyone hard reading Xiz town. MML looks a little better because iirc he called Xiz more towny than before on his reads list.

It doesn't surprise me much that people haven't been falling into the world because most people could just play follow the leader and vote on Xiz eod assuming I was still on him. I would have waited to post all of this to see who does something similar but I won't be around after 9 and I doubt it would happen before then.

PS. if there is another role with info to give (I really doubt John Doe was our only investigative) keep in mind that I already chose to use my other power tonight and cannot switch.

PPS. I don't see much of a need to reveal the other half of my role right now. Since I haven't used it yet. Suffice it to say it's significantly shittier than the angel ability.

PPPS. My save night 1 was on Blind. Not going to out my save last night because I am still currently protecting them from day stuff.

huh.
So you are saying there is absolutely no chance that wolves targeted you in this post.
Yeah ok.

......It's amazingly funny how I line out what it takes for you not be locked clear and you go and change the fucking role claim.

Originally Posted by inDheart

please help me fill in the gaps and fix if i'm misrepping anything you said. your reads should be in the same row as your name, and i have a bunch of comments on this doc sourcing the colors

X is a vote from the row player on the column player today

my own reads are mostly based on the eod wagons still and i need to make up my mind on manti and wv

Good stuff. Mine is accurate.
Right now I think Til is still off the table until we see another round of NKs and try and determine what's gong on but he's very much a work in progress.

Originally Posted by inDheart

you know for all the people that suspect blind only one person is voting him with less than 8 hours to go

I was pressure voting Manti, and that didn't work out at all. For how well regarded he is as a player he hasn't shown it as far as I am concerned.

Originally Posted by Celirra

ok work starting on full reads list now, will rank people from 0-100% in terms of my acceptance to vote for, see you guys in 45mins or so once I have a cute analysis to present

Looking forward to it

[Xiz]

Indheart here is an updated color list for your doc. I expect to see results.


3) inDheart
4) MixMasterLar
5)] Celirra
9) Tokzic
10) tiloco217
11) DarkManticoreX2
12) blindreper1179
13) Wayward Vagabond
14) DaBackPack
16) Soundwave-

[Soundwave-]

Originally Posted by inDheart

what happened to day 0 where you were voting me and carried that suspicion into day 1? if nothing changes from me being on the xel wagon, what did change? because something had to

also, can i treat these as your reads on these people?

The vote on you was a complete bs vote in response to InD/Sound wolf pair speculation. Had that come up I intended to not vote. If for some reason a wagon started on that I would have backed down instantly.

I can't stop you but I don't even treat them as my reads on people so...

Originally Posted by inDheart

any reason why you "feel pretty okay" about tokzic but then he ends up in null?

any reason you want to keep an eye on both DBP and manti but only have manti as a scum lean?

I say I feel pretty okay about tokzic only because I iso'd him for eod and found that basically his entire play looked like noise to me. Not amazing and certainly not earning of town trust but definitely made him look like a stupid vote.

Manti is a tone read that is subject to change, "keep an eye on" does not equate to "I think is scum" in any way here.



So, InD iso. Here's my notes:

Soft-defends blind from Xiz' attack on a bad response to modkill (47)
-- To note, isn't hostile towards Xiz and concedes to his reasoning (62)
TL Xel :thinking: (608)
I don't see InD bus on Xel, was hesitant to give points for this, now I'm actually really liking it
Appeals to my feels (1520) ^-^
Also first to point out pretty shitty tokzic wagon. I do like (1623)

Play feels pretty uninteresting but good pace and lots of question asking. Eod looks stellar, as the notes show. Have liked the tone for the whole game. Happy to put down as town, I'd actually put them as my top town rn.

[blindreper1179]

Ok, so I'm caught up. and tiloco having two powers is kinda crazy.

and why save me? I'm never chosen for that type of thing. lol

I get why xiz is on me because of my fuck up, but I'm really surprised no one else is???? Sure I'm scum to people but none are like "Hey you're my scummiest read, eat my vote." That's actually making me lean xiz town, with the help of tilocos read on him and "evidence" he's supporting. We have this scenario and Xiz is the only one running with it because to you guys I'm basically confirmed wolf, which I'm not but I've played my cards wrong so it's my fault. I honestly should be pressured by the entire pool of people alive.

and to WV again, I'm not really being inconsistent with MML, I just realized I might actually be wrong, and it does make sense. MML went with toxic before I did. He voted Xel, He's been fighting with a claimed blue about helping town. Sure it's all "towny points" but they are all adding up pretty fast. I'm sure there's more town points in the early game, but that's a whole different game than we have now.(not saying they don't matter)

I'll be honest here. Xiz, tiloco, and manti are strong players, and I fear them. I step back from them and really think about what they are saying. I'm the guy that doesn't trust them, and tries to kill them asap as a wolf. It's people like me that fear kill them when wolf, and it's not hard to convince teammates.

BUT it's late in the game, all three are still alive, and I'm actually trusting one, and clearing another. Manti right now is the only one that concerns me.


And someone asked how long do we trust tiloco, and I think depending on the people, top 5 would be the farthest I would go personally. but again, I fear his play skills.

DBP I feel is town because of tunneling on tokzic, and he was so dead and center to kill him after the "slip", come to find out it wasn't and he did a retake on him.

Tokzic worries me being scum. I haven't been to pleased with him. He's been on DBP this whole time, and that might have something to do with it. So it's biased, but oh well.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Can we get some votes out please, I'm hearing a lot of white noise reads without anyone committing.

It's between Blind and Manti for me. I have it on Manti atm

Blind basically meme'd his way through the first two days and now that he's supposedly trying he still hasn't shown the effort. In any other universe I would be voting him.

BUT I've been trying to pressure Manti all fucking game and he just doesn't put forth any effort. If Blind is at least pretending to do shit and Manti isn't what excuse do I have to vote Blind over Manti if I suspect them both?

If Blind doesn't deliver, then well I guess I'll re-evaluate before EoD.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

It's between Blind and Manti for me. I have it on Manti atm

Blind basically meme'd his way through the first two days and now that he's supposedly trying he still hasn't shown the effort. In any other universe I would be voting him.

BUT I've been trying to pressure Manti all fucking game and he just doesn't put forth any effort. If Blind is at least pretending to do shit and Manti isn't what excuse do I have to vote Blind over Manti if I suspect them both?

If Blind doesn't deliver, then well I guess I'll re-evaluate before EoD.

I'm honestly asking if my last big post was of any service?

[MixMasterLar]

Remember in pre game I said my brother was in town and doing the week I wouldn't post much?

Tonights the last night to actually spend time with him

So I will be gone until an hour before EoD probably



As much as I think Til might actually be bullshitting us mechanically he is OFF THE FUCKING TABLE until more info comes to light so no one needs to bother voting for him if they want Town to win

As far as I am concerned It's between Manti and Blind. When I get back, I will look over these two and decide between them. If I have to, I may just outright skip post so I can have enough time to decide between them. I don't normally think that's good play but fuck it I'll be cutting it close tonight. I've seen enough of Manti/Blind's shit that I think they are going to still be viable lynches by 12.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I'm honestly asking if my last big post was of any service?

To be fair I didn't see that, you ninja'd me.

It's effort and effort helps yo


Like I said, gotta split and will be reviewing how I feel when I get back. I +WILL+ be back in time for EoD.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

To be fair I didn't see that, you ninja'd me.

It's effort and effort helps yo


Like I said, gotta split and will be reviewing how I feel when I get back. I +WILL+ be back in time for EoD.

that's fair enough.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Fair enough.

imagine i didn't say this, i forgot his progression

he'd been saying toward the end of the day that xel was a wolf and it was important to an association with dbp

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

And I would still believe that over double stacking on Freezin
Do you understand how fucking unlikely it is Freezin was doublestacked on?
(Also I used Bodyguard when I should have said Jailer or some similar role that protects but that's not nearly as badass an answer)

yes

in fact i think i know where the other kill went, but i'm shushing up on that

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I was pressure voting Manti, and that didn't work out at all. For how well regarded he is as a player he hasn't shown it as far as I am concerned.

i'm kind of sick of people saying they don't know how to read manti or something; i'll go have an opinion

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

he is

manti, why did you answer this (incorrectly, even)?

[DarkManticoreX2]

@ lar

Did you miss the last 2 pages where I gave tiloco my thoughts on Xiz and InD my thoughts about Tiloco's claim?

Just sounds like you're ignoring my posts and tunneling me, without actually trying to come from my angle. Why don't you ask me some questions instead of yelling into the wind.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by inDheart

what do you think wasn't good logic? i'm interested

@xiz did you ever answer this?

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by inDheart

manti, why did you answer this (incorrectly, even)?

Tokzic quoted xiz' post and said that "this was exactly what happened last game"

Did I misread it?

[inDheart]

@sound i think it's in your best interest to start from the bottom of your reads and work up, just in case we run out of time

e.g. reread manti and dbp before you go for mml again since i have you down as a town lean on him already

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Tokzic quoted xiz' post and said that "this was exactly what happened last game"

Did I misread it?

tokzic responded saying it was the other way around:

Originally Posted by Tokzic

I am disagreeing, I'm saying dbp took that exact line when something misconstruable happened with flashflash in the Discord game. It sounded like he had information he shouldn't have had. Dbp encouraged this misread and pushed it into public light... until it started to dissipate, at which point he changed gears and pulled back.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Xiz

The good ol' "everyone thinks he is mafia, so he couldn't be mafia" mentality psyched me out.

fair enough, i suppose

can you talk to me about your vote progression yesterday? i remember you voted for cel first who wasn't close to a viable wagon; how do you feel about cel today?

[inDheart]

one of those times when i have six twg tabs open and forget what i was doing with them

[DarkManticoreX2]

Okay after a reread I see what your parsing comment was in reference to now.

[tiloco217]

I think that manti and Cel are the best directions to look for a lynch today. Voting Cel because manti already has some pressure.