09-24-2017, 11:26 PM | #2021 |
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taking a small break and posting my thoughts so I don't have a massive fucking tower
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09-24-2017, 11:32 PM | #2022 |
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09-24-2017, 11:34 PM | #2023 |
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please fix your second spoiler
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09-24-2017, 11:34 PM | #2024 |
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I was looking for you to do something Haku.
This is something Haku. I got what I needed. Don't assume.
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09-24-2017, 11:38 PM | #2025 |
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09-24-2017, 11:43 PM | #2026 |
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Okay I'm here. Catching up.
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09-24-2017, 11:59 PM | #2027 |
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about to put InD on the side of a milk carton
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09-25-2017, 12:09 AM | #2028 | ||
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I stated that blind and xel are commonly mislynched.
My mindset was if they die I don't really care that much because they're trouble to read lategame, but blind vs xel this early just feels like we couldn't come up with better targets and instead went after the people who have the most trouble dending themselves and also have trouble making cases. When you make posts like this: Quote:
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The reason Blind and xel get angry every game is because they can't argue themselves out of anything. I would imagine this is incredibly frustrating, and should be something everyone considers when pushing them in the future. Additionally, here's a hot read: Blind's probably town. Highly doubt he calls out shadow's weak Mellon vote as a partner:
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09-25-2017, 12:18 AM | #2029 |
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manti if you think the blind-->shado callout makes them not w/w, do you think the shado vote BEING weak has any implication for shado/mellon w/w?
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09-25-2017, 12:18 AM | #2030 |
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or do you think it's w/t and scum!shado makes a crappy vote+push onto a villager?
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So I went back through all of charu's posts to try to find out why he's been floating my name up all game. Here's what I have:
Quotes in reguard to my meta read on myself where charu says my opinion of how I play is a lie. Pro tip: the read I gave was my own personal assessment of my playstyle. I didn't lie, and I don't understand why charu made it such a big deal. Reguardless, it's a meta read so more likely then not it's not exceedingly useful anyway. Quote:
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Later I go after Indy for his posttrain that I called fluffy. I called it fluffy because a lot of the posts felt irrelevant, and there was no clear point to why he quoted any of them. He didn't add anything to the conversation, just rehashed old content. I question what indy's point in making the posts he made was, because I didn't see a solving mindset behind the posts, I saw a "I need to be active" mindset behind them, and charu posts this: Quote:
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-------------------------------- Charu's vote list with reasoning: Wants to vote me for being active and prodding (what??) and follows up with falling back on my meta read which he previously stated he though was "the biggest lie I've ever made" Why fall back on a meta read you thought was a lie in the first place?? Quote:
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Charu's reasoning is either completely manufactured, or I'm dealing with a massive tunnel from him that needs to end.
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09-25-2017, 12:50 AM | #2032 |
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W/t with crappy vote on a villager who might get lynched and won't fight back.
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09-25-2017, 12:53 AM | #2033 |
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I think the why overall is not ideal.
I think the why behind his voting pattern was because he had to follow the logic of his own read list. The problem is that he most likely made that read list at the end of the phase and it wasn't complete. It's safe to assume that he may have improvised these reads at the last minute which means he probably had the rest of the wolf team in mind while doing it. He could have made an incomplete read list far ahead in time, but it doesn't change the conclusion for the vote progression. Logically: Shado forgets about time. Shado makes a read list. Shado's read list has Xel in slight town. Shado makes a "unique" mellon vote + reasons based on read list. (top scum) Shado looks at the wagons. Shado's read list has blind as frustrated town Shado's read list has Haku slight scum. Shado votes Haku because it follows his reads. That's most likely how it worked, but I don't think the vote progression is important. I think you're more likely to find a wolf by observing the read list itself. What sucks is that there's no way to really determine for sure who was what just by looking at the read list itself because there's nothing to help understanding the real intentions. So, you can take a bunch of suspicious names if you want to try to see if it fits with the puzzle or you may as well just discard his reads and find another wolf individually. I feel like we won't move on if we don't do that.
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09-25-2017, 12:54 AM | #2034 |
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I wrote the above for #2029-#2030.
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09-25-2017, 01:02 AM | #2035 |
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Manti looking good with that post imo.
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09-25-2017, 01:03 AM | #2036 |
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I will keep continuing tomorrow
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09-25-2017, 01:04 AM | #2037 |
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i mean yeah haku, he had to vote according to his reads list to not raise suspicion
thing is, as scum he crafted that reads list. it's not organic, clueless town going "hm well i like X and don't like Y" so what was his motivation in putting mellon as his top SR (to warrant voting her)? distancing a teammate he didn't think would ACTUALLY get lynched on d1? or a mislynch he wanted to set up, maybe not FOR d1, but for later? |
09-25-2017, 01:05 AM | #2038 |
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solid af wifom
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09-25-2017, 01:12 AM | #2039 |
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The best person to get over that wine is mellon herself.
I think she just got framed from not being here tbh, but that's because I have an individual read on her that I liked and she showed up and continued with a good game progression.
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09-25-2017, 01:18 AM | #2040 |
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I have no idea for reading motivations here.
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