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This is Afrobean: hans and I have talked a lot since I came out
Hans said some idea (I can't even remember what) evilbutterfly87: Well your partner seems to think otherwise NotSoFarOff: Well he's a ****** NotSoFarOff: I don't actually talk to him much. Afro sent me some logs, too, but he keeps being like "oh, I guess I'm missing 3 hours of logs. Whoops!" We all know logs don't just disappear, they get editted out by wolves. Afro has been kinda.....I dunno, bold? He's never this bold, from what I know of him. Then again, he faked blue last game and nobody believed him. They all were like "I know you're faking, but I don't think you're a wolf..." I wasn't in the game, but Afro kept sending me convos with people and being like "wtf nobody thinks I'm wolfy anymore  " THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT AFRO IS GOOD AT SEEMING REALLY DAMN HUMAN. I also think that him stressing that he and Hans are human about 2000000 times in the chat to be reeeeeeeeeally.....weird. It's like, he KNOWS people won't suspect him based on him faking blue, so he's just like "oh fuck it, I'll be so ridiculously bold and 'oh no a wolf wouldn't!' that everybody will 'know' that I'm human!! YAY!"Tass had his chance to get the rain of fire from everybody. Now it's your turn, Afro. Also, Hans was like "I'm not active when I'm a wolf." O rly? Well hey Hans, where the hell have you been? Not anywhere near the fucking TWG forums? Ya rly! You Chrises (or however you would pluralize that) have some explaining to do. PS: I'm sure Hans and Afro are like "wtf I thought he liked us " right now. And I bet Tass is like "wtf I thought I was gonna get lynched o_O" too. YOU'D LIKE TO THINK THAT, WOULDN'T YOU!? =P
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11-9-2005, 08:22 AM
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Like I said in the chat last night... this is exactly what the wolves would do to screw us over if we hadn't gotten any wolves about now. Now, we can't say any widow is a confirmed human right now, because we can't be sure who was and wasn't a wolf, but we do know two things:
1) We lynched partners who weren't wolves 2) We have (most likely) three widows. ONE is a wolf. It is highly unpractical that we go for all three widows (those of matt, qreepy, and blah). My notion is that either matt's partner or qreepy's partner is a wolf. And of those two, I'd have to say Qreepy's partner. It would have been a bad idea for the wolves to kill a wolf Night 1, because after Talisman's PM, it was obvious it was not beneficial. I'm highly confident that we can lynch another wolf today if eb thinks this will work. And so it appears my fear of a three-wolf situation was not necessary.... Anybody have any objections?
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The only reason I’m showing a hint of anger right now is because it would seem that since eb is the alliance leader(by alliance I mean eb, himself and maybe the guardian) his word might turn to be law. And I can only assume from this that if Afro gets lynched, I’ll be going a day later. Package deal. That means that two humans will be lynched day 3 and 4, leaving 3 wolves by the beginning of day five. If I’m right, seven players will be left, meaning you guys only need to fuck up once for the wolves win. You have to believe we’re human. If you don’t, then the wolves win the game. Plain and simple.
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11-9-2005, 10:00 AM
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11-9-2005, 10:09 AM
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"you guys" instead of "we", hans?
it's honestly a tough call, but just looking at day one it works like this in my mind. Tass looks like textbook tass as a human, not at all like last game day one. Afro looks like he's repeating his day one from last game, or trying to give that impression, especially regarding his early vote on nick. Hans looks like he's trying to act like he did last game as well, same kind of low posting and voting with little sustenance. So who is more suspicious? I'm with eb, I lean towards afro/hans, but it's still kind of a toss up. afro and hans made early posts within an hour of each other. I GUESS it's possible they weren't able to contact each other in that time but it seems to me unlikely. They apparently had no communication with each other until AFTER day one was over (or at least til after afro voted kilga), which seems very odd. Then there's the whole ld factor. ld is the one who actually saves hans, not kilga. I can definitely see the scenario where it's afro/hans + ld (unless of course ld is part of the third pair). The final piece of the puzzle would be the wolfings. Would afro/hans wolf matt night one? If matt was a wolf, then it could be that they were just completely disregarding my pm to be deliberately tricksy. It is something I can see afro doing. If matt was a human, then it's a straight up confusion kill or it's to set up someone (making it look like matt was a wolf sacrifice) for a later self-wolfing. I can see afro doing it (again) more than I can see hans doing it but these scenarios aren't as clear. Now, blah. Blah proposed that the pairs come out in public. Tass was strongly against this. Afro had already suggested this and been shot down. So unless blah was doing it to make himself look deliberately unlike the other wolf pair, I think blah was human. Afro seems awfully ("80%") sure that he's human as well. Finally, qreepy. why qreepy? It makes no sense, really, unless he's a wolf or the wolves went blue-hunting. Or matt was the wolf and the wolves wanted to at least give his widow fifty-fifty chances by making another similar looking kill. Also the timing was interesting. Tass, afro, and hans were all on when the kill took place, so that doesn't tell us too much. Except I don't think tass' partner was on, but then that raises the issue of whether or not tass sends in a predetermined kill or just doesn't wait to consult his partner or what. The thing with tass being a wolf is that I don't see him A) killing matt, regardless of his role, especially after my pm B) putting himself in the situation of blindly following blah (blindly being relative) and then killing him the next night so that all the atttention shifts down to him C) deciding to wolf a wolf night three... 2 pair wouldn't have been any easier to catch than widow pair. There is one thing that might make tass a wolf and that is the removal of the autopsy on day five... it seems to me possible that tass as a wolf (knowing as he said how powerful such an autopsy would be) would point this out to mead and be like "change it, bitch". Would it be a violation of the rules to ask mead whether or not he had any help in deciding to remove the day five autopsy? By the way hans, that last post was the most wolfish post I've seen you make this game. It reeks of trying to cash in on the stupid card you've been playing all game. "Oh we wouldn't be dumb enough to do this as wolves." Not to mention how it's written completely from a wolf perspective. (the "you guys" like I already mentioned) |
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11-9-2005, 10:16 AM
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lightdarkness42 (7:46:11 PM): SHIT lightdarkness42 (7:46:12 PM): IDEA lightdarkness42 (7:46:16 PM): AFRO IM ME This is Afrobean (7:46:19 PM): ok... TasselFoot (7:46:43 PM): why afro? This is Afrobean (7:46:50 PM): I'm awesome lolz stressreliefball (7:46:54 PM): ok so why was ld talking to mead in the first place lightdarkness42 (7:46:54 PM): I trust Afro edit: from a little earlier, dovetailing nicely... lightdarkness42 (7:41:33 PM): woah waoh woah waoh insanelikeafish (7:41:34 PM): who was the wolf stressreliefball (7:41:34 PM): to wolf a wolf last night lightdarkness42 (7:41:38 PM): how is this possible This is Afrobean (7:41:52 PM): I said from the beginning that matt would make a good sacrifice lightdarkness42 (7:41:52 PM): I say we wolf matt's partner today stressreliefball (7:41:56 PM): we need eb up in this joint This is Afrobean (7:41:59 PM): that sounds liek a good plan |
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11-9-2005, 10:31 AM
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I'd like to point out from my edit convo that ld and afro entered their responses in the same second, so ld didn't have time to read what afro had just said and respond to it. ld essentially went from realizing that there were three wolves left to straight up suggesting we off matt's partner, no hesitation, no mention of blah's or qreepy's partners.
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11-9-2005, 10:56 AM
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This is Afrobean (7:41:52 PM): I said from the beginning that matt would make a good sacrifice
lightdarkness42 (7:41:52 PM): I say we wolf matt's partner today I mean lynch, and you all know that. i said it because that is what made sense at the time. I thought why else would they wolf matt? So yea, that's why lunch time
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rofl I didn't even notice the "wolf". My point was that you completely missed blah and qreepy and immediately assumed it had to be matt. It almost smells like it was planned in advance.
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Afro... but that should be obvious for everyone who was in the chat last night. I'd quote the chat, but every other word I used was profane and would be (&^(&%*(^%*&^%'d out.
So, I'll stick to "eb said what I'd say fairly well."
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Guys, I seriously think Afro/Hans is a good choice. Especially if Afro comes back and has shitty defense, they're looking mega wolfy today. And if they're being truthful and really are human, then it's okay. Like everybody has said, we would only be allowed one mistake, but since we have a 50/50 chance of getting the right widow, we just hit one and if that was wrong hit the other, then lynch the last pair and we'll win. We may only have a few people left, worst case scenario, but we can do it.
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11-9-2005, 01:26 PM
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11-9-2005, 02:08 PM
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I don't know why you can't do this hans... so I'm going to leave it here and go do homework.
stressreliefball (2:19:06 PM): let me put it straight to you: who is the third wolf? stressreliefball (2:19:18 PM): if it's tass/x and who? NotSoFarOff (2:19:28 PM): I swear NotSoFarOff (2:19:37 PM): I'm going to have a stroke or something stressreliefball (2:19:42 PM): of the players still left in the game stressreliefball (2:19:49 PM): who do you think are the wolves with tass stressreliefball (2:19:53 PM): simple question NotSoFarOff (2:20:08 PM): I haven't gotten that far. stressreliefball (2:20:12 PM): well get there stressreliefball (2:20:39 PM): if you want to try to convince me that it's tass you gotta make a good case for who the others are stressreliefball (2:20:52 PM): that's the main reason I lean so strongly to you/afro right now NotSoFarOff (2:21:51 PM): I don't fucking know. NotSoFarOff (2:21:58 PM): Maybe tps NotSoFarOff (2:22:04 PM): but it's probably one or the other, not both. stressreliefball (2:22:34 PM): there are two other wolves out there besides tass stressreliefball (2:22:37 PM): if it's him stressreliefball (2:22:53 PM): what about just ranking everyone left in the game besides you afro and eb? stressreliefball (2:22:57 PM): in terms of suspiciousness? stressreliefball (2:24:22 PM): ? NotSoFarOff (2:26:07 PM): hold on NotSoFarOff (2:29:42 PM): I'm talking to Guido right now NotSoFarOff (2:29:50 PM): Who's actually listening to what I have to say. stressreliefball (2:30:05 PM): I just want you to rank everyone left in the game stressreliefball (2:33:28 PM): cmon it can't be that difficult to rank people by your suspicions NotSoFarOff (2:33:47 PM): talisman-99.15 NotSoFarOff (2:33:49 PM): Happy? stressreliefball (2:33:54 PM): the rest? stressreliefball (2:34:05 PM): tass answered it seriously stressreliefball (2:34:14 PM): you aren't helping your case by not doing the same stressreliefball (2:36:47 PM): fine, I'll go first: afro/hans/ld/tass/tps/guido/nick/fish/nforcer/eb |
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11-9-2005, 02:31 PM
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This is my defense in a conversation with Guido.
NotSoFarOff (3:15:46 PM): OK NotSoFarOff (3:15:53 PM): MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE NotSoFarOff (3:15:57 PM): TWG. NotSoFarOff (3:16:20 PM): Please please tell me that you think Afro and I are human. ElSoyokaze is idle at 3:19:07 PM. ElSoyokaze is no longer idle at 3:20:28 PM. ElSoyokaze (3:22:50 PM): I believe the burden is on you to convince me of that. I can't say you've done a good job so far. NotSoFarOff (3:23:15 PM): Come on. NotSoFarOff (3:23:26 PM): Does it make sense for us to be wolves? NotSoFarOff (3:23:32 PM): Considering what happened. NotSoFarOff (3:23:43 PM): We put ourselves out in the open on day 1. NotSoFarOff (3:23:51 PM): And then wolf one of our own? ElSoyokaze (3:23:55 PM): Out of desperation only... NotSoFarOff (3:23:58 PM): If we fuck up there's 1 wolf left. NotSoFarOff (3:24:18 PM): But wouldn't a smart wolf just let me die? ElSoyokaze (3:24:22 PM): Where does the "and then wolf one of our own" come from? ElSoyokaze (3:25:37 PM): Kilga or dAnce could have been your partner. NotSoFarOff (3:25:40 PM): 3 wolves left. NotSoFarOff (3:25:45 PM): Kilga and dAnce were partners. ElSoyokaze (3:25:51 PM): Oh. NotSoFarOff (3:25:54 PM): So says eb, god of lynching humans ElSoyokaze (3:25:55 PM): This I didn't know. ElSoyokaze (3:26:25 PM): Regardless, order matters here. ElSoyokaze (3:27:06 PM): Wolfing matt might not have been a bad idea when it came, but circumstances forced y'all to come out on Day 1. ElSoyokaze (3:27:20 PM): Of course, it doesn't make sense for y'all to wolf Qreepy. NotSoFarOff (3:27:27 PM): Wolfing a wolf night 1? NotSoFarOff (3:27:33 PM): Come on. NotSoFarOff (3:27:50 PM): And Afro probably would've just let me die so he could save himself. ElSoyokaze (3:28:09 PM): That doesn't convince me of anything. NotSoFarOff (3:28:25 PM): Everybody know that me and Afro are connected now. NotSoFarOff (3:28:33 PM): May we be masons or wolves, we're connected. ElSoyokaze (3:28:40 PM): Granted. NotSoFarOff (3:28:52 PM): So if we get lynched, we get lynched together. NotSoFarOff (3:28:55 PM): Package deal. NotSoFarOff (3:29:04 PM): Is that a smart thing for wolves to do? ElSoyokaze (3:29:44 PM): If you can convince people that you're human, yeah. But it seems that that isn't happening. ElSoyokaze (3:30:03 PM): It's putting all your eggs in one basket. NotSoFarOff (3:30:10 PM): Which isn't smart! ElSoyokaze (3:30:17 PM): Who says? NotSoFarOff (3:30:24 PM): And THEN wolfing one of our own just to make the game more challenging? NotSoFarOff (3:30:28 PM): It's not practical. ElSoyokaze (3:31:37 PM): Like I said earlier, order matters. Wolfing one of your own wouldn't have seemed bad because you didn't know you would have to come out as partners. NotSoFarOff (3:31:51 PM): Ok. NotSoFarOff (3:31:59 PM): So we only need to worry about night 1. NotSoFarOff (3:32:07 PM): Why the hell would we wolf one of our own night 1? NotSoFarOff (3:32:15 PM): Why would anybody do it? NotSoFarOff (3:32:20 PM): Nobody has ever done it before. ElSoyokaze (3:32:22 PM): To get in good with eb. NotSoFarOff (3:32:30 PM): HOW? ElSoyokaze (3:32:31 PM): Possibly extract information from him. ElSoyokaze (3:33:57 PM): Hell if I know; I've never been one to try and pull information, but there are plenty of others who could. NotSoFarOff (3:34:20 PM): Neither do I. NotSoFarOff (3:34:52 PM): I can't see any reason why somebody would wolf their own to start the game. NotSoFarOff (3:35:10 PM): Starting the game unbalanced is not a good thing. ElSoyokaze (3:35:39 PM): But if the game is already looking imbalanced in the humans' favor, even I would consider sacrificing one to rebalance the game. ElSoyokaze (3:35:49 PM): And I'm not one to lightly sacrifice a team member. NotSoFarOff (3:36:11 PM): Yeah right. NotSoFarOff (3:36:20 PM): Like a wolf would kill their own for the good of the game. ElSoyokaze (3:36:41 PM): chardish tried. ElSoyokaze (3:36:52 PM): It's not 100% impractical. NotSoFarOff (3:36:56 PM): For the good of his game. NotSoFarOff (3:36:59 PM): Not THE game. NotSoFarOff (3:37:45 PM): Besides, nothing is ever 100% impractical in TWG. NotSoFarOff (3:37:59 PM): But can we agree that matt being a wolf is a stupid idea? ElSoyokaze (3:38:37 PM): It's risky. ElSoyokaze (3:38:40 PM): Very risky. NotSoFarOff (3:38:58 PM): The positives are greatly outweighed by the negatives. ElSoyokaze (3:39:00 PM): But if it could be pulled off, it would likely help out the wolves a lot. NotSoFarOff (3:40:41 PM): But can we move on and agree that matt was not a wolf? ElSoyokaze (3:42:19 PM): Man, FUCK! ElSoyokaze (3:42:31 PM): I got to talking to you and forgot my pizza was in the oven. ElSoyokaze (3:42:37 PM): Anyway. ElSoyokaze (3:43:05 PM): I'm not putting it past you two to wolf Matt. NotSoFarOff (3:43:14 PM): Damnit. NotSoFarOff (3:43:15 PM): Fine. NotSoFarOff (3:43:25 PM): Let's PRETEND that matt wasn't a wolf, okay? ElSoyokaze (3:43:33 PM): Okay. NotSoFarOff (3:44:07 PM): After Afro and I are out in the open, why would we wolf one of our own? ElSoyokaze (3:45:14 PM): (phone) NotSoFarOff (3:45:48 PM): k ElSoyokaze (3:52:18 PM): Okay. ElSoyokaze (3:52:28 PM): Again, I go back to the eggs in a basket idea. ElSoyokaze (3:52:46 PM): If it fails, you're boned. If it succeeds, you're scot free ElSoyokaze (3:53:30 PM): And, by the way, I only have a couple more minutes before I have to leave town. NotSoFarOff (3:53:47 PM): How long will you be gone? ElSoyokaze (3:53:57 PM): Until tomorrow afternoon. ElSoyokaze (3:54:06 PM): ~3ish. NotSoFarOff (3:54:48 PM): Ok. NotSoFarOff (3:54:54 PM): I'd like to go more in depth NotSoFarOff (3:54:57 PM): But since you have to go... NotSoFarOff (3:55:22 PM): Do you think that all the shit has gone down makes Afro and I more wolfish or human...ish? ElSoyokaze (3:55:48 PM): With the way y'all've been posting, I have to say wolfish. ElSoyokaze (3:56:09 PM): And, mind you, I'm not in on a lot of the shit going on in the game. NotSoFarOff (3:56:24 PM): And you do know that when we get lynched, the humans have one fuck up left to lose. ElSoyokaze (3:56:41 PM): If we're wrong about y'all, yes. NotSoFarOff (3:57:17 PM): Are you willing to risk the game because you're semi-certain we're wolves? ElSoyokaze (3:58:27 PM): Considering I don't really have a better lead on anyone else and lynching someone I have no certainty is a wolf would leave us in almost the same position, yes. NotSoFarOff (3:59:30 PM): Wrong. NotSoFarOff (3:59:37 PM): Because nobody else comes as a package deal. ElSoyokaze (4:01:20 PM): ? Say we lynch a human tonight. Same as lynching Afro (humoring you, of course, by assuming you're human). Next day we lynch another human c/o the package deal. That's one human lynching difference. ElSoyokaze (4:01:40 PM): Which is the "almost" case to which I referred. ElSoyokaze (4:02:57 PM): But I really need to go. ElSoyokaze (4:03:01 PM): I might be on AIM at home. ElSoyokaze (4:03:04 PM): Later. NotSoFarOff (4:03:16 PM): I won't be around until 9ish tonight. NotSoFarOff (4:03:18 PM): Later.
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hmmm. thinking things over while shaving there's still some stuff I want to consider. neutral vote on nforcer for now.
hans I still want to see that ranked list buddy. In fact I think it would be a good idea for everyone to post one. What could it hurt? (Mine is at the bottom of page 13). edit: everyone but eb, of course. wouldn't want to accidentally reveal stuff. |
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I wasn't all too sure about Afro/Hans coming out the way they did in the first place, and since then suspicions keep piling up. I'm going to trust that eb's evaluation of the logs and chats are true.
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Also, afro could you post your log with ld from when he asked you in the chat (the section of which I already posted) to IM him? I know you use Gaim and auto-log. Thanks.
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What happened was I looked at the log dialog box and it showed 3 days worth of conversations. I clicked on them and all were empty except one. I think what it is is if you open an IM window for that person (which is how I access the logs. I'm sure there's an easier way, but I access them through the IM window) it adds an empty log to that day. Everything else said against me is the kind of evidence that can swing both ways. I love that you guys give me enough credit to think I'd be so bold as a wolf, but if you look back to RECENT games where I was a wolf, I was anything BUT bold. However if you look back to recent games of me being green, you'll find that I'm often bold as a green. And yes, I realize that I could just be cashing in on behavioral stuff like LD has in recent games, but I really have nothing else. Ok, now for the stuff I've been waiting all day to post. I now feel that Tass/his partner are human. This of course leaves the third mason team+one widow for the wolves. Please note: I feel I know who Tass's partner is and after pondering this, that is what made me decide Tass is probably not a wolf. Also, I feel I now know the 3 wolves left. I feel that Qreepy was a wolf (and thereby his partner), Guido, and his partner. Why do I think this? Well during the night phase, many of us were in the chat and the idea was thrown around that 4 wolfes alive would make us golden, but if there was just one wolf killed, it'd throw a monkey wrench in our plans. I think that the wolves decided to off Qreepy in the last second there knowing that if they didn't, we'd have three sure humans at the beginning of the day. Why Guido? His vote at the end of last day looks like a distance vote. Why the vote on Guido? Because even if I knew the pairs of whom I spoke above, I wouldn't want to reveal them.
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