TWG XVI: A Dark And Stormy Night (End of Day 6, wolves win)

[lightdarkness]

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[blahblah18]

hory sheets what the hell is going on here... I'd be the first to admit that I love a whole massive vote orgy now and then, but this is absurd. Can I get some evidence from anyone either? Hey LD, send me this convo too? And what's up with panda, saying she's pissed AP was killed when I believe it was her that placed the first vote on him and never switched off... eh?

[nforcer06164]

I'm voting aperson. I'm still really unsettled by his behavior during Day 1. The fact that he gave absolutely no logic as to why people should take their votes off him and vote otherwise (or did I miss something?) just bothers me. And saying that now gets me wondering if I should be worried about AP or about the people who bandwagoned with him without question. Whatever. Vote stands because I doubt highly that it will affect anything.

So, you're first to vote for aperson?

Also, I am upset over aperson's death.

As am I. Eff, people.

WOW. WOW. Try to stay a bit consistent, Stretchy.

[flypie743]

I'm voting aperson. I'm still really unsettled by his behavior during Day 1. The fact that he gave absolutely no logic as to why people should take their votes off him and vote otherwise (or did I miss something?) just bothers me. And saying that now gets me wondering if I should be worried about AP or about the people who bandwagoned with him without question. Whatever. Vote stands because I doubt highly that it will affect anything.

So, you're first to vote for aperson?

Also, I am upset over aperson's death.

As am I. Eff, people.

WOW. WOW. Try to stay a bit consistent, Stretchy.

Maybe she thought that no one else would vote for aperson (which is silly because some other people were probably still suspicious of him from Day 1) and that it was just a non phantom vote. =/

[stretchypanda]

hory sheets what the hell is going on here... I'd be the first to admit that I love a whole massive vote orgy now and then, but this is absurd. Can I get some evidence from anyone either? Hey LD, send me this convo too? And what's up with panda, saying she's pissed AP was killed when I believe it was her that placed the first vote on him and never switched off... eh?

AHEM: If you'll read my entire post, you'll see this:

Okay, so. I have to be getting on the road soon to go to my parents' new house, so I will again be away from a computer when voting ends.

I already have a phantom. I voted AP to avoid another AND because he came off as the most suspicious to me, and if I hadn't been driving all day, I would have had a chance to see what happened after I voted AP, and I would have changed my vote. I am allowed to be upset that other people jumped on with me.

Let's not forget that two people voted AP after I did. Two other people could have changed their votes. Nforcer, your reasoning was nearly identical to mine, hun. Were you unswayed by the happenings after you voted? Or were you jumping on with me because I gave good logic and you could bandwagon while looking like you had a solid reason for voting?

[Snapps]

Right now I am going to vote Snapps. 3 out of his 4 posts say that he "forgets" that he is playing. Maybe this will get him talking…

Every post he has made is below:

OH MY GOD I FORGOT I AM PLAYING

OH MY GOD WHOOPS LOL

Yeah…

Snapps: What? probably a wolf since your name is #$*

OH HELL NO

aperson because I have no one else to vote right now.

This was a very dumb vote, especially on a power player such as aperson. This was on day 1 when aperson was in danger of dying. Snapps was the 1st person to vote for aperson, but he may be a wolf hoping that other people would bandwagon onto aperson and aperson would end up dying.

Ugh I'm not participating at all. Someone needs to talk to me or something so I won't forget about this XD.

Anyway I can't say anything beause there is no evidence or any suspision at all I can think of =/.

Yeah…

Oh.

Someone IM'd me on AIM. I forgot who but they said they saved me on night 1 or so.

Then I was like OMG I FORGOT I WAS PLAYING so I posted and such.

I'm sorry i'm not a lot of help its just no one wants to discuss anything over AIM at all. Makes playing not really fun.

Okay two things about this post:
1. No one was saved night 1
2. Maybe Snapps means that this person said they guarded him on night 1

Snapps, if remember who it was, please post it. I think this person has to explain. First, the so called guardian in Snapps’ post couldn’t have been sure that Snapps was human because he wasn’t wolfed and saved, like the guardian claimed? Obviously, Snapps wasn’t saved night 1.

Also, how could you “forget” who this person was? I mean seriously, you talked to them on AIM, and they said this weird thing to you, yet you can’t remember.

I forgot who the person was because they IM'd me randomly, I didn't have them saved on my buddy list as in I've never talked to them before probably. I can't remember becasue I didn't save the conversation.

I'm not playing at all because no one wants to get me into this game. Kill me if you want, just another loss for humans.

[flypie743]

I'm not playing at all because no one wants to get me into this game.

Um, if you signed up for the game, you play. What do you mean no one wants to get you into it? It's not our responsibility to constantly IM you and fill you in with things, especially when it isn't verified that you are human.

[Snapps]

Snapps50: But I get no contact through AIM
flypie743: That's because the games are played on the forums, not AIM

Shows that I'm really behind and stupid XD.

[talisman]

Alright, wtf. I'm a little pissed here. For one thing, none of you guys are actually THINKING. You're all just posting and voting along with something that tass posted day two (and he even said then that his "evidence" was far from concrete) to which I ALREADY RESPONDED AND EXPLAINED MYSELF. and to boot backing up your votes with NO FUCKING EXPLANATIONS.

Let's start with LD:

Anyways, I got to talk to AP for roughly and hour, and combined from his day one stunt, he kept saying "avenge me tomorrow" and things of that nature, so that is what I am doing. I told you I had your back bro

You've got to be kidding me. You're voting for me because AP told you to avenge him? And you decide to pick me for this "vengeance"? It's not my fault he lost the knife-in-box. Shit, it's not even my fault he was up there tied with me. If you're looking for "vengeance", why don't you look at the people who voted for him?

He followed that with two VERY thought out responses...

This best sums up my further evidence:

TasselFoot: why did you bandwagon my vote?
Phonem Recursive: Because talisman's over-articulate response was not normal for him
Phonem Recursive: I thought he was trying way too hard to defend your claims

Talisman, again.

A) I followed up with one thought out response, and one vote post that was for the most part wholly unrelated.
B) How the hell can you accuse me of behavioral differences on day two and then listen to AP and fail to realize that EVERY TIME I have gotten a vote on me I have responded with LENGTHY ARTICULATE POSTS? Check TWG 11, day one. I got a few votes for my little noobish theory, I made huge posts defending myself. Check TWG 14, day three or four.... alain and mead both vote me and I respond with huge posts defending myself. The only time this wasn't the case was TWG 15 day one when blah's vote clearly put me in no danger.

Basically, you've first accused me of being underarticulate, and now you're accusing me of being overarticulate. Are you just looking for an excuse to lynch me?

Argh, why did so many people pick ap?

talisman

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Not particularly, I just saw your reasoning on Day 2 and decided it was better than anything I had.

Way to just cop off of tass' supposed "evidence" (did you even READ my response or even consider the points I raised?) and slip in a bandwagon vote. Also by the way complaining about the game being dull and nothing happening is a day one excuse... there IS stuff to talk about now.

Okay, after reading over everything, I've decided that Tass's evidence on Talisman is good enough to vote on.

Oh, by the way, all the crap from Day 1 made me vote for ap, and that's what made it a knife-in-box. I didn't look hard enough into the evidence on Talisman, but now, I want him gone as well.

This post is so incredibly and blatantly wolfish I can't believe no one else has picked up on it yet. Yes you voted AP yesterday to make it a knife in box between two humans... why make yourself look more suspicious by putting the death vote on me? And what the hell is with the "I want him gone as well" statement? And looking at tass' evidence without even considering my rebuttal? Unless you have some damn good explanations for your votings, expect a vote from me today.

Finally people, this is TWG day three, not day one... There are votes and voting patterns to look at, accusations to inspect... there is no reason in my mind why five people should needlessly bandwagon on evidence that tass himself claimed was "still not concrete". His post was making tenuous connections between supposed behavioral differences that really aren't there at a time when solid evidence was scarce. Now things are clearly different.

I don't know how to definitively prove to you all that I'm human besides cheating and showing the pm, but please go back and re-read the thread, read my response to tass' initial accusation, and make up your own mind instead of just saying "oh well gee, I think tass had a swell post, I'll vote with him."

[nforcer06164]

Let's not forget that two people voted AP after I did. Two other people could have changed their votes. Nforcer, your reasoning was nearly identical to mine, hun. Were you unswayed by the happenings after you voted? Or were you jumping on with me because I gave good logic and you could bandwagon while looking like you had a solid reason for voting?

Just think for a moment, Stretchy. If you would've been upset for AP's death, why would you place a safety vote on him? That's better saved for the players that are much less suspicious this game. AP was already gaining suspicion from Day 1. You were upset with his behavior Day 1, you posted about it. Granted, I pretty much did have the same reasons as you for voting Day 2, but I was much more intent on my decision (I considered it a solid vote) than you were.

If you didn't want AP dead, don't point a finger at me. I wanted him dead for his suspicious behavior. I voted. If you had put your vote on someone else, it wouldn't have happened.

Now you are looking a bit odd to me, Stretchy. Your explanation makes sense, but I could see it being a cover-up as well. I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on you now, because this whole situation doesn't sit well with me.

[stretchypanda]

Nforcer, you misread me. Had I been anywhere near a computer after I had voted, I would have switched off of AP and on to someone more suspicious. I'm pretty sure I said that.

I voted AP to avoid another AND because he came off as the most suspicious to me, and if I hadn't been driving all day, I would have had a chance to see what happened after I voted AP, and I would have changed my vote.

Oh, wait. I did.

EDIT: Don't want to double-post.

Okay. I am starting to side with Talisman. I sort of think he is a victim of circumstance. I also don't think we've gotten a wolf yet. Talisman is being attacked by people that have come off as excessively not-human to me, and not in an, "Oh, I don't want to be associated with him so I'll claim he's suspicious" way. People are voting for him, and it is incredibly early in the voting day to be jumping all over someone. I realize that a lot of evidence has been brought against him today and in the previous day, but, again, I think that Tass bringing an accusation against someone based on a change in his playing style is slightly hypocritical. Tass announced that he planned on changing his playing style, and no one has really brought that into question. I'm not accusing Tass of anything, mind you.

My largest suspicions fall on Nforcer. I've already said that I would have changed my vote off of aperson had I been able to read the thread between my vote and the end of voting, and on looking back, that vote would have fallen on you. Every vote you've cast has been a bandwagon. A mindless one. You even try to offer some sort of reasoning, in which you just repeat what someone else has already said. To top this off, you jump on the defensive without even being accused. Repeatedly. Does anyone else remember his, "Oh, just so you know, I intended to vote for AP before any bandwagoning started" comments? Did anyone give him a reason to defend himself in this manner? It's like, when you detain a suspect, but you don't tell him for what, and he says something like, "I didn't kill no girl!" and you say, "No one said anything about a girl. There haven't even been any reports in the paper" (sorry, I've been watching Law and Order marathons). Is anyone following? Does any of his behavior look ridiculous to anyone else?

[nforcer06164]

Well, I admit that I missed that, but that doesn't explain why you are upset over his death if he was most suspicious to you. It doesn't make sense in that respect moreso than anything else.

[Omeganitros]

I like flypie's reasoning. Snapps, please snap out of it and at least vote. If you get too many phantoms and live late into the game, that could be the end of the humans. It's happened too many times before.

[Tasselfoot]

For those who will see the ap convo between himself and LD (blah + anyone who asked over AIM), ap mentions that he recieved info from someone in contact with the seer.

That person was me. I'm coming out with this now, because there is ALOT of bickering going on between a few people (panda and nforcer mainly), but others are remaining completely silent or ignoring all of it (Omega). The reason my evidence was not concrete against Talisman is because I was stretching for it. Alot. TPS was the seer... he saw me night 1. He saw Talisman night 2. He told me day 2 that Talisman was a wolf. I made up info on Talisman... TPS was an idiot and gave ZERO evidence for voting Talisman...

What I figure happened is Talisman and or the other wolves realized what happened, that I must have been in with the seer, and made up the evidence against Talisman because he was seered. (I'm not one to make huge posts solely against 1 person)... Then they see TPS bandwagon on me like a frickin moron, and infer that he is likely the seer. Either that... or they just wanted to kill someone who wouldn't be guarded who voted Talisman. More likely the 1st one though, in which case they already assume they killed the seer, so my revealing this doesn't help them.

So, I feel that it is at least my duty to get Talisman killed... today... to avenge TPS, not ap. It is definately not a fair trade, 1 wolf for the seer, but if that is all we are given, I'll have to take it.

Maybe someone else will be able to make more out of the statements of panda, nforcer, ld, omega, kilga, blah, etc... based on the info I have just said. I am not currently at home, although I will be back soon for anyone who wishes to talk to me.

I am once again back to playing as the old Tass, as I have just put myself in a very risky position, again. As always, I can't prove any of this past giving convos of myself with TPS, but I hope you realize the truth in my statements. I had no need to come forth with this information now, as I am not in danger of being lynched, but I feel that things are so confusing at this moment that this information will be a benefit now vs revealing it later or not revealing it at all, even if it does once again put me at risk.

Playing this game the way that I have played it so far is terrible. I've been bored. The game has stalled for a long period of time. People have gotten phantoms. And I feel that I am to blame for alot of these problems. I'm sorry to all of you. I put all of the humans at a disadvantage by my personal quest for winning... it won't happen again.

[talisman]

Ok something is VERY fucked up here... because I am definitely not a wolf. I just went back and checked my pm... and it says I'm human. Then I thought maybe I checked the wrong one but I hadn't. So... wtf?

Either chardish screwed up or something (I kinda doubt this) or tass is pulling some smoke out of his ass. For the most part the post seems pretty sincere, but some of the facts seem off.

For example, who the hell seers ME of all people night two? Tass, yeah ok that makes sense. But me? Granted tps might be dumb but I doubt he'd pick me. Aperson would have been the far stronger choice, considering his behavior day one.

And I find it interesting that tass now "comes clean" and admits that his evidence on me was bull... right after I pretty much rip your little bandwagon apart and show it to be as much.

The only real possibility I see right now, knowing that I'm human and that me being seered has to be an outrageous lie, is that tass is a wolf, probably got seered night one, and then somehow got lucky and killed the real seer (eb, maybe?) night two or so, and having gone a day and seeing no real evidence presented against him, is taking the go ahead to walk away with the wolf victory.

The problem is that before this I really thought he was human =/. So... I'm really confused.