TWG CXVI: Revengeance

[Tps222]

god damnit no vote tags here lol fine dabackpack

[igotrhythm]

I'm not sure I agree with your logic, Tps. You say he's reaching, then retracts for no apparent reason, and that makes him a wolf?

[Tps222]

Makes a weak point, gets called out on it, retracts said point.

If he thinks it was a premeditated action, stick to it and develop the thought. Humans have everything to gain and nothing to lose by sticking with their gut and developing theories on people. Wolves just want to maintain public relations. His retraction was just as weak as his initial assertion. I don't buy it.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Crazyjayde

Ok, at this point I'm not going to postpone my posts after the whole read. I'm barely skimming through the first thread and thoughts are coming rushing. I had actually built a strat for no-lynching but forgot that lynches are obligatory, OH WELL.

I'm going to upset some of you here but, so far, but Afro's really only the one I've seen reaching to solicit players, which is, imo, the right tactic early on. It's not that producing suspicions isn't worthwhile, after all, it's the basic component of every vanilla game. But I'd say it doesn't get us far to observe an empty table, get your heads in there. We're looking at a game with a lot of detracting attention from the wolves, and a lot of analyzing from the town. Not far from manhunting but with the additional benefit that wolves nearly can't do shit to influence the targets. At least, it shouldn't sway the bomber's. So right there, I'm retracting my comment about making it an open discussion with the bomber, because I think we'd get some significantly better results for him to conclude by himself. That way, we get the thoughts of the collectivity, and ones of the individuals.

I'm not interested in looking too much about what suspicions consist of too much, but I'm looking to solidify their basis, or rather, to consider what drives you into thinking somebody smells. Myself, I'm thinking scum isn't in a disposition to be making false leads or decoys early, however, I'm sure to be on the lookout those playing on the outside. Although we have the upper hand, it's not to be disregarded that we might just lose it, and that means through number superiority. It's a fast win. Best case scenario, we need to be nailing a wolf until next phase. Does it really mean much? No. But it's probably good to be feeling a bit of urgency here.

I feel like this is one of the longest posts I've ever read that doesn't actually say anything.

crazyjade

ps lol tps was totally drunk or something last night

Anyway, tps, I think it would be more damning if he made that mistake but then stuck to his guns regardless. I'm not THAT worried about dabackpack, he seemed pretty genuine.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Tps222

Makes a weak point, gets called out on it, retracts said point.

If he thinks it was a premeditated action, stick to it and develop the thought. Humans have everything to gain and nothing to lose by sticking with their gut and developing theories on people. Wolves just want to maintain public relations. His retraction was just as weak as his initial assertion. I don't buy it.

this isn't a case if me having a weak assertion. I realized I was actually WRONG about something and took it back when I realized. Are you saying I should keep pretending when I see a critical flaw in my reasoning? Because that's a stupid thing to do.

[DaBackpack]

Now that you've had time crazyjade, do you have anything to add?

[thesunfan]

don't like where my vote is anymore; unvote

[DaBackpack]

Did Mellonxcollie have any reasoning behind her Afro vote?

[cedolad]

Probably not, but speaking of her, I found a burrito of hers that she left at my house.


I didn't eat it though (ew)

[cedolad]

Anyway, I was going to expand on my vote behind DaBackpack. But it seems TPS said it very simply and concise. We still have 4 hours until deadline, and I'm not planning on going anywhere. So hit me up if you have something useful to develop.

[thesunfan]

who else is a wolf if you think that backpack is 100% a wolf

[cedolad]

You know, that's actually what I'm taking a look at now. DaBackpack is a weird subject regarding that because he's made very little interaction with anyone save for TPS, Afro and I. I may be missing a few details, but if he were a wolf, he's kept his distance. I've already agreed that Afro is playing the shotgun human, trying to piss everyone off and make himself look vulnerable sort of like bait. TPS has been calling people out and made a few connections iirc. As for anyone else really, mostly nulls. Few small leans but nothing significant.

Also I failed to deliver that text message log because I went to get my dad from the airport and sat on the side of the highway for 3 hours with a dead alternator. Fuck life.

[DaBackpack]

Whose text message log?

[DaBackpack]

Also cedo, you're making a big mistake if you're finding other wolves by my interactions...

[cedolad]

See the thing is, you've distanced yourself rather well if you are wolf. You're only interactions were with TPS, Afro and I. As I have stated. Telling me that lynching is a big mistake isn't even a defense.

Also texting me WIFOM doesn't work.

[DaBackpack]

Cedo, have you done any other investigating besides me?

[psychoangel691]

I unfortunately am going to be at work when this day ends so I feel like I need to make at least some sort of vote now. I've never been good on day 1, and there really hasn't been much said that really popped out to me. When it comes to backpack I right now really just feel that a mistake was made and that it wasn't anything wolfy. FoJar has been flying pretty far utr so far with only 4 posts which don't really say much. I don't like jumping right on the utr wagon though, I don't know people's schedules. cedo always seems to post a lot regardless of role as far as I've seen in the few games I've played so there's no flags there for now.
I literally have to walk out the door in 2 minutes. I think I have to agree with Afro for now on Crazyjayde. It just feels like it's one of those trying super hard to seem helpful and human types of posts. I'm going to try to get back on before the lynch happens but I never know if I'll have downtime at work or not.

[DaBackpack]

Anyway, I'll be at the store with famiry --- only real leads I have are Mellonxcollie and Crazyjayde. (Just in case I don't get another opp to post)

[cedolad]

I'm sorry Kayla, but I've made several interactions with everyone in thread, made a few pushes and even called some people out and the only thing you've taken notice in me is my fucking post count? I'm seriously offended/ashamed now :/

Also: Without further ado, the text log between DaBackpack and I that took place Sat, May 31 from about 5pm EST to about 6pm.

Sat, May 31st

cedo(17:06): Im going to fucking kill you wolf

backpack(17:09): Who is this~
"	      ": Also you're wrong

cedo(17:09): Wanna bet about it? Also this is your worse nightmare obv

backpack(17:10): Lmao are you kidding?
"	      ": Ok whoever this is

cedo(17:10): Lmao ***** I don't joke around. Maybe I'm maf YOU'LL NEVER KNOW.

backpack(17:10): I get that you're trying but you're wrong
backpack(17:11): Haha true
"	      ": Until you tell me your username~

cedo (17:11): Then dont catch the stupid afro bait and confuse me.

backpack(17:12): Am I the only one who found that suspicious thought?
backpack(17:13): In four minutes, he had the mind to screenshot that, upload it to some image site, then tie it to TPS post
"             ": I mean if I'm wrong then whatever but it seems like a weird thing to do.
backpack(17:15): Holy fuck wait
"             ": It's just code lmao not an image
backpack(17:16): Holy shit I suck

cedo (17:16): Thats fer sure lmao coherent thoughts please<3

backpack(17:17): Sorry
"	      ": Afro's chat with mellonxcollie

cedo (17:17): It's alright.

backpack (17:17): For some reason I thought he posted that in image form.
"              ": But he just copypasted it
"              ": Which makes more sense

cedo (17:21): Yeah. I have a feeling afro is acting as bait for wolf. I think that's how he scumhunts. And unfortunately you fell into one of his traps. As well as igr.
cedo (17:23): Also TPS made a noteworthy post about you I think. Im afk so I wouldnt know
cedo (17:29): OH MAN YOURE MAD NOW CAUSE I GOT YOU HOLY SHIT LOL

backpack (17:31): What?

cedo (17:32) I got you wolf. Do you even know who this is? Its so fucking obvi.

backpack (17:33): I'm not a wolf...
"              ": And I guess I'm not smart enough to see who you are

cedo (17:33): Man like. Just figure out who this is. That is your objective. Youre hurting my feelings

backpack (17:33): First I thought you were cedo
"	       ": or sunfan
"	       ": afro

cedo (17:34): What happened to your first thought?

backpack (17:35): Alright cedo

cedo (17:35): Well duh. But now I feel offended

backpack(17:36): I thought it was you til you caps locked shouted honestly
"             ": But then

cedo(17:36): Thats like, the biggest tell rofl

backpack(17:36): Yeah ok I'm dumb

cedo (17:37): So share your thoughts with me. Now that the small talk is done with

backpack (17:37): I have no fucking clue but
"	       ": Let me see
"              ": Well really most of the recent posts are from 3-4 people
backpack (17:39): So I'd have to look back to the thread to see the other 6 or so
"	       ": Through*

cedo (17:39): Idgaf about recent posts, I want overall gut reads, idgaf if you make something up
"          ": Are you afk aswell?

backpack (17:40): That's the thing I don't have my gut reads anymore
"              ": Im on my phone
backpack (17:41): Like I said I thought it was afro for one reason but I made a false assumptioon so that's out

cedo (17:41): Yeah just checked thread.

backpack(17:41): Was I was driving at with the recent posts thing is that it'd be easier for mafia to coast, so I was gonna try to look back at the queit ones
backpack (17:42): *what I was

cedo (17:42): Back to the thing you had said last game before reroll? You know I cleared two of the wolevs right

backpack (17:43): What thing I said?
"	       ": Oh with AN?

cedo (17:44): With weeding out who has been saying useless things or something

backpack (17:44): Hmm
"    	       ": Yeah that some posts seemed insightful but were total garbage

cedo (17:45): Yeah, I cleared two wolves after that.

backpack (17:46): BRB cooking
"	       ": Cleared like let go?

cedo (17:47): Yeah last game I gave sunfan and yoshl top human reads. Well I figured out sunfan but he was iffy. Anyway hmu later.

backpack (18:05): Hmm I got YoshL but well here's my philosophy
backpack (18:06): Everybody is guessing, people pretend to know what they're doing but it's for show/intimidation

cedo (18:07): Its called baiting. Were looking for reactions.

backpack (18:07): I mean honestly I would be voting for someone like me in this game. I know I'm suspicious
"              ": No no I mean in a more general setting

cedo (18:07): Nice wifom

backpack (18:07): Like
backpack (18:07): Strategies that we think k work are just guesses

cedo (18:08): Maybe. But that's how preliminary games work... You should know this?

backpack (18:11): What I was saying is that i would be pretty sure of someone like me. But it's a guess, and it can be wrong. People arrogantly assume that their strategies are "right" and 

even though it MAKES SENSE, it can be wrong.
backpack (18:12): Even outside TWG, the US gvt assumes their polygraphs are good at finding the truth
"              ": But I've failed polygraphs when telling the truth, multiple times.
backpack (18:13): I mean yes, but it doesn't just apply to first night

cedo (18:13): That's ture. But we cant dwell on if were wrong because second guessing ourselves.

backpack (18:13): I'm making a more philosophical point
"              ": I mean true but part of the game is accepting that you will be wrong a lot
backpack (18:14): ND that's why I'm ok with being wrong

cedo (18:14): That's true, but you save that for post game.

backpack (18:14): Sorry that was a bit of a tangent
backpack (18:17): True
"              ": I just felt like getting that out there

cedo (18:18): Understandable, but your thoughts are vague and dont advance the state of mind that is of the collective mind of town. If that makes sense.

backpack (18:18): Anyway you can reach me on slack? Phones about to die and we are about to eat

cedo (18:20): We can wait until after diner, im about to practice with the band
---------- END CONVERSAION -------------

cedo (22:27): So motherfucking funny story time bro, im on some highway exit because alternator died rofl


---------- HE NEVER REPLIED JERK ---------

Sun, Jun 1st


backpack(15:22): Hey cedo, something I want to tell you in a minute

cedo (15:22): Kk

backpack (15:27): Good chance I'm gonna die tonight so I want to give you my will since I sort of trust you

cedo (15:27): Your will?... Wait this is twig related right?

backpack (15:27): I have a feeling that the wolves don't want me to die
backpack (15:28): Because the longer I live, the longer my presence distracts the hunt from the wolves
cedo (15:28): Dat wifom

backpack (15:29): So when / if I die, look for the people who didn't vote for me, or seemed to go quiet
"              ": They would want me to tank for them so to speak

cedo (15:29): Sorry duer, inbox is full cant delete until I log our texts

backpack (15:30): Lol yes
"              ": Twig related
backpack (15:31): Also I want you to say you're sorry if I flip green~
"              ": It's probably not a bad thing if I die tonight, so I stop distracting the rest of you
backpack (15:32): That's all

cedo (15:32): #sorrynotsorry

backpack (15:32): What's WIFOM?
backpack (15:36): I'd be pissed if this wasn't so Goddamn funny
"              ": Alright, I hope you have a backup plan bud
"              ": #out

cedo (15:38): Dude stop texting me for a min lol I need to log these texts and your unreads are really making this hard.

---------- END CONVERSATION ----------

[cedolad]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Cedo, have you done any other investigating besides me?

I've looked into Afro a wee bit. Igr a little. They come off as strange, but I can justify Afro's actions. Not so much Igr. He's a null read for me atm. Still sort of coming across as clumsy new player, but I won't let that slide too much longer.

I guess now that I'm done logging the texts, my plan of action is to comb the thread and establish more reads. Also will be checking in on a lot of you to hear what you have to say about certain aspects of the game thus far. So best keep your eyes out for me!