05-8-2020, 05:48 AM | #1 |
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TWG 194 - Postgame
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05-8-2020, 05:51 AM | #2 | |
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Re: TWG 194 - Postgame
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05-8-2020, 07:24 AM | #3 |
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05-8-2020, 07:35 AM | #4 |
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Re: TWG 194 - Postgame
Aww, I was hoping I'd get one last chance to try to weasel my way out of the lynch.
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05-8-2020, 07:43 AM | #5 |
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05-8-2020, 08:01 AM | #6 |
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Yeah, I think so too. My mindset at the time was that shado wouldn't buy it since if you were the wolf you would've taken me and dusk to f3 since you knew he'd vote me and I'd vote him and it'd be a straightforward win for you.
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05-8-2020, 08:31 AM | #7 |
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I got to partake in x i z c h a o s
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05-8-2020, 09:40 AM | #8 |
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Good game wolfteam, you had us in the first half not gonna lie [emoji23]
Shout out to DBP for surviving three separate town thunderdomes / tunnels
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05-8-2020, 09:41 AM | #9 |
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RIP you died too soon
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05-8-2020, 09:53 AM | #10 |
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This killed me
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05-8-2020, 10:03 AM | #11 |
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TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing FFR is a pretty good place somehow. |
05-8-2020, 11:20 AM | #12 |
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Yeah I feel you
I'm surprised this thread isn't popping off given the insane sequence of plays tbh, but I guess everything was prolly beaten to death in deadchat
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05-8-2020, 11:22 AM | #13 |
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Also town couldn't have asked for a better C than leetic.
Dude was solid, kept calm and tried to consider everything, prodded people and pushed interactions and then came to fair conclusions. First time playing with him and it was a real pleasure to do so
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05-8-2020, 11:56 AM | #14 |
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Town couldn't have deserved a win less then here. This game was absolutely filled to the brim with horrible plays, decisions, and baffling gambits that did nothing to help town's agenda. I'm no exception considering I wasn't even paying close attention, but there's no way we've collectively played a solid game here.
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05-8-2020, 12:05 PM | #15 |
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despite all of town's misplays, individually this is one of my best games in terms of accuracy
i'll remember this fondly idk when the "talk" is gonna happen though. it needs to. town twg strategy: needs fixing. whatever, i'll give my notes: 1) fake claiming as town: no, unless you really really think people are gonna get your gambit. on ffr, this is most likely a no 2) town needs louder voices. it's preset that a certain few can/should lead games, and when they roll wolf, it's disastrous. mml was pocketed by dbp for most of the game, for example. 3) if you play twg with the idea that if people "play bad," they deserve to be mislynched, you'll lose. you have to work around people's bad plays, man. not everyone will play the way you want them to 4) be nicer to each other. y'all as a whole gotta be nicer to ffa; it's sickening to see the way he's treated in games. and aside from the fake claim, he was doin p darn good here 5) listen to my jess reads i'm always right |
05-8-2020, 12:19 PM | #16 |
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I've always listened to FFA. I've said this many times, but his reads, wherever they come from, are right a surprising amount of the time. Even in this game, right up until the fake claim, his play was superb. He was vocal and talking to everyone.
If you disagree with his reads, then fine. Disagree. Talk about it. That helps town by putting ideas to the test against each other. But dismissing him and refusing to entertain his ideas doesn't make him bad, it makes whoever does that bad. The fact that he felt driven to fake claim because: "how else can I lynch dbp"... "this was the best thing I could do"... "how else can I lynch dbp" is a failure on every player who dismisses/ignores any other player in this server. That needs to change With all that said, once he fake claims as town and is caught in an impossible world and retracts only thereafter, it becomes incumbent to lynch him and resolve the slot. There's ways to fps well and ways where trying it causes a town collapse as town PRs out in defense of wolves because of a VT fake claiming. And saying you're gonna do it AGAIN, FFA, is only gonna drive people away from listening to you ever.
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More seriously: Yes there were two bad plays, but as a whole town came together and brought home the win. That just goes to show that any situation is reversible and assuming a town loss because X isn't productive.
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Since we're having a meta conversation courtesy of FG...
FFRTWG as a whole is a really strong server. Anyone who's played anywhere else and came back here has said the same thing. We're the only mafia server that exists that has sent as many reps to World Finals as there are seasons of MU World Champs. All of that is worth being proud of. Our sitemeta as a whole prides itself on optimal plays. Which is great, but people play differently. So what ends up happening is the players that fit within the sitemeta get listened to, and people with a different play style don't. That's the only thing I'd change. Do I think we need to be more open to town fake claims? No, I think they aren't optimal town play and there's always a better way of making a case. We have the record we have for a reason, and the meta on here IS solid. And the way that our consideration of other playstyles as a whole can change is simple. Everyone here already knows that optimal play and town play aren't the same thing: townies make suboptimal plays and wolves can make optimal town plays to get townread. But what knowing that has produced thus far towards different playstyles is an attitude of "I read you town but I'm gonna ignore your thoughts". That's what's bad. So we all need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves if that pride of being a "strong player who gets listened to" results in that attitude of dismissal. Because it shouldn't. If they're town, then the different perspective they offer is always gonna be beneficial to talk about. We all also need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves if our "different play style" encourages discussion, or just results from frustration from people reading you wrong. Because what we can ALL do is share the why and the how of what we believe. Meaning if I think player X is scum, I gotta build my case rationally and not on the assumption that I'm obviously town and he's obviously scum. If both the people that play to site meta and people that don't can do those things, then we'll be a much better site as a whole.
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05-8-2020, 01:06 PM | #20 |
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I have a single game submission so far please send me more for voting
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