11-17-2019, 06:59 PM | #1 |
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TWG 190 Postgame
TWG 190: Written in Blood and Betrayal Hosted by: inDheart Wolves Win MVP: n/a 1. flashflash account - Vanilla Town, lost at endgame 2. mellonxcollie - Vanilla Town, lost at endgame 3. Funnygurl555 - Mafia 1-Shot Role Cop, survived to win 4. SubaruPoptart Wayward Vagabond - Mafia Roleblocker, modkilled Night 2 5. Shadow_God_10 - Town Mason, killed Night 3 6. psychoangel691 _Zenith_ Svaz - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 4 7. 123kappa3 - Vanilla Town, killed Night 2 8. Riotpolice - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 0 9. storn42 - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 1 10. DaBackpack TWG Keanu Reeves - Mafia Godfather, lynched Day 3 11. Charu - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 2 12. MixMasterLar - Town Mason, killed Night 4 13. XelNya - Town 1-Shot Vigilante, killed Night 1 besides nightkills, the only submitted action was that funny role copped svaz (vt) on night 2 --- wolves win talk here, will edit with other info/more stuff when i get to laptop im debating not giving out mvp bc its kinda syduck: thanks to the million replacements, sorry to force replaced people who suddenly wanted to play but missed arbitrary threshold one time deadchat https://discord.gg/TH6W7ZF Last edited by inDheart; 11-17-2019 at 08:34 PM.. |
11-17-2019, 07:35 PM | #2 |
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Re: TWG 190 Postgame
Was a pretty fun game even if it kinda slowed down towards the end
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11-17-2019, 07:44 PM | #3 |
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Town could have just sorted by postcount and lynched bottom up mindlessly and won the game. Again.
The majority of this community doesn't want to do anything about inactivity, so much that inactive wolves have slots surviving way past when they should and inactive town are just content to contribute nothing to the game. The reason town lost this was because town refused to just mindlessly vote inactives, but only had a small player base of mostly towns left to try and solve legitly. The hard bus by wolves was a good plan to remove funny from consideration but DPB's slot should have never made it that far. The reason we have post minimums is to actually have everyone contribute enough that the game can still be played, but replacing undermines the whole idea entirely. And frankly, some of you townies played pretty poor. Svaz basically threw the game and I challenge Charu to provide an example of a roleplay gimmick that ever actually helped town, among others complaints I'll just spare everyone from. Funny played into the bad townie sucking at the game character and with so many actual town's just halfassing it there really wasn't a valid reason to call her out specifically. I find that the last handful of games I've played have the same problems over and over and they're way too frustrating to deal with. I don't think finding the time in a 48 hour period to engage people is that much to ask, and I absolutely don't think anyone has any business agreeing to play if they feel different about that assessment. It's shitty and insulting to those who are actually wanting to play the game. |
11-17-2019, 08:32 PM | #4 |
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of the people that were replaced, 3 gave me advance notice that having a replacement for them would be a good idea if i did
it could be argued i didn't do pregame check-ins properly (anyone who posted in the signup thread the day the game filled, i treated as aware of its existence) and that i should probably just write up some cold, dispassionate boilerplate for when i poke people, e.g. "eod's in x hours and you committed to post y times when you signed up" however, i did think the number of "oh didn't expect this to start already" comments was hilarious and the biggest argument that people don't actually hate pregame conf phases, and people confed their PMs back to me even though i didn't ask i'm gonna defend force replacement, as opposed to modkilling, because you just don't use modkills for less than serious integrity violations or like, site bans. i could leave wayward's slot existing-but-not-replaced instead of mking but like. after i did the force replacements at the first eod, i was definitely in a mental state of "okay, i've shat the bed in one way, but if i continue to shit it consistently i can just throw out a single bed at the end." and so the rules in the OP dictate i deal with his slot right then, so i did + to the bit in the other thread, i talked about this in deadchat a bit but i feel like you gotta be really confident in your thread position to not name your partner as a potential lynch at 6-player mylo, and that confidence is a big ask when you've just subbed into that mylo and notice your predecessor's stock has fallen some. there's players that would go for the win there (boy do we know them) but lux is just some rando to most of y'all anyway riot lynch was disgusting and then i didn't read like any of the midgame. town didn't find each other, people just talked past each other, wolves barely talked about night actions and didn't roleblock anyone all game. whatever, game's over, it's out of the hopper, the fortune tellers correctly predicted it would suck, and we can wait and play a game that people actually want to play when people have time |
11-17-2019, 09:46 PM | #5 |
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Re: TWG 190 Postgame
You can defend your choice to stick with replacements in this game but you can't really defend the practice/continuing them.
The entire point of a post minimum is to ensure the game can actually be played by everyone by setting an expectation of about what amount of content a player is expected to contribute. If a player fails to do this, replacing them doesn't actually solve the issue that they did nothing previously, it just passes the buck to another player. Modkilling at least forces information (the flip) in the open. And since the game needs information to be played that's a better outcome. I get that no one wants their side to lose because players won't play and yeah, I agree the game gets ruined when players don't play. At least with modkilling inactive can either be scared to trying or if not the game can go ahead and end. You seriously trying to tell me replacing people 3 times and watching the game bleed out is better then just offing people who won't contribute to a game about contributing and figuring out information? Granted a lot of this could be solved by the community just shitting on low posters early game and either discourage players from trying to fly utr or discourage them from signing up next time and pulling the same stint, but something something 48 hours may not be enough give them some time something meh lynch infornation |
11-17-2019, 09:49 PM | #6 |
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;_; I tried lar
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11-17-2019, 09:49 PM | #7 |
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Also InD are you defending Riot saying "I made bad reads in purpose and dipped so you could talk about my bad reads. Here's my real reads that are also bad"?
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11-17-2019, 09:50 PM | #8 |
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I'm sad I got killed early
I was having a fun game ruin my fun why don't you all, rude. XD Also saw someone get upset I didn't shoot that night Yeah, why would I shoot? Mechanically maybe going for pure information is the way to go for most of you but I like to make more informed shots. Also, I'd have shot Charu. Sure his gimmick is w.e. I refuse to read it either way, but I never have a read on him so I'd have shot him to eliminate the hardest to read player for myself since shooting anyone else is a gamble that was tasteless. Lar, you're getting way too caught up in Charu's gimmick dude, you have got to learn to read between the lines and cut right through it. Charu just does that shit to keep the game fun for himself. Also Lar, saying you could lynch by post count is pure hindsight, don't act like it's not. If we play the game that way one it removes the game from the fucking game, and it encourages folks like me to keep mindlessly multi-posting because we know you lynch mindlessly. tldr wish I hadn't died early, though i'm proud wolves finally had a game where they were like "oh kill him first" shit never happens to me. Not a day in my damn life. Only commenting on Lar because his post above bothers me tbh. It's not like fuck you bothering, but it's just, not a hot take for me personally. PS: Backpack for the day I kept tabs on the game you had me fooled pretty well mang. |
11-17-2019, 09:53 PM | #9 |
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But what else is there to do because the alternative is to know it's happening and just chose to pick between the town that plays? You want to talk about removing the game from the game? Like one entire side is more or less opting out as a recurring habit. And I would rather someone post endless stupid memes and get caught not working on the game then someone not playing and having 3 other players defend because i DoN't THinK lYNchInğ inAçtIVes hElpß. I take that trade off every single time. Every. Single. Time. |
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11-17-2019, 10:01 PM | #11 |
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Not even trying to be a massive dick but this shit is getting old and I don't know why people just don't speak out about it.
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11-17-2019, 10:35 PM | #12 |
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i'd support game bans if there was like, a larger scene than game-to-game that could actually be maintained (this is part of why i think trying to have a tournament, or any comprehensive format right now, is a bad idea, even in the summer). i still don't think you interfere with the game in progress more than you need to, to keep it moving. replacements, ideally (assuming they don't tell me they can play and then suddenly can't play once they're in), put a warm butt in the seat to make up for the prior lack of contribution. it's one of the mechanisms that let long-form forum twg keep being a thing. 48 hours is enough time and that needs to be policed by the players. imagine replacing into a turbo !_!
obviously i know the rand, but riot's tack ended up being "i wanted to make things happen" and i continue to fail to see how this is at all wolf motivated in a game where nothing is happening. i did it last game and i think the only difference here is how we reacted to getting shit on for it. i do think it's pretty frustrating, in a golden age of inactivity, to see someone who's actually making attempts at playing get driven away from the scene like this |
11-17-2019, 11:22 PM | #13 |
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Re: TWG 190 Postgame
I was super wrong about storn
And then I was wrong about backpack since backpack did a thing that he had no business even doing as a wolf during that EoD. backpack had me fooled. Storn though, he legit did look like a wolf. Was right about Funny, but no one seemed to want Funny after y'all lynched backpack's replacement, which I also thought "why the heck is this even happening?" Feel like both sides played not so good. |
11-17-2019, 11:24 PM | #14 | |
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11-17-2019, 11:26 PM | #15 |
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All in all
Pretty meh game. I liked my posting style contrary to what others think. If you can't read it, then that's not a "me" problem, that's a "you" problem. I stand by that and will always stand by it. Was there fluff? Yeah, sure, but I also make sure I make my opinion heard and known to the thread for record keeping. Some people don't like fluff posting, I get it. However if you're gonna play this game completely analytical with no creative writing, then you're just a boring person! Sorry, that's the whole truth! |
11-17-2019, 11:28 PM | #16 |
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Re: TWG 190 Postgame
Ok but the fact Riot dipped for almost a whole phase after reads really undersales the story you're pitching, inD. Had he been around to argue and refute arguments while defining his reads in the first half of the phase he wouldn't have been the lynch. You can not use this as an example of someone punished for activity because that's absolutely false.
... The way I see the community is barely playing anyway, so I don't see how game bans hurt activity. In all honestly if players who don't play get banned and then there's not enough players to play thats when you know it's time to sail from the dock and find another home for the ship. But in truth, we should probably just break for the season and maybe after everyone is passed the holidays they'll be more interest in playing TWG. |
11-17-2019, 11:30 PM | #17 |
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11-17-2019, 11:33 PM | #19 |
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11-17-2019, 11:33 PM | #20 |
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Oh hold on, I wanna screencap something I thought was really funny
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