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and in response to your first point, i'll find you something. I can't immediately find any "student groups" being shut down specifically by campus administration. But its hard to run political club based in discourse if your meetings get loudly crashed and staff/security turns a blind eye to the masked punks responsible, or the people you invite to speak have to cancel because of riots and unsafe conditions started by angry opposition wishing not only to silence the other side, but to make sure the other side cannot even convene or hold events in their presence. I'd say if these groups exist, they probably exist somewhere private and outside the scope of campus regulation, because of the aforementioned fear of violent backlash. You probably won't hear of them being shut down by schools by virtue of them having to had move these types of speaking events off campus due to fear in the first place. edit https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10030 At Columbia university, there were calls to defund and derecognize the Campus Republicans as a legitimate organisation and that their funding is redistributed to student groups "who are targets of this hateful ideology". I think that maybe counts as attempts to ban these groups from campus
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If there is a large amount of complaints about Edward Said, that I could understand a little bit, but I am pretty convinced that if people are complaining about Mark Twain, that they are just looking for something to complain about. Complaining about Said is pretty level one for level two, if that makes sense.
I feel for this educator. That was pretty bullshit.
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Again, I am generalizing here, but regardless of your beliefs on orientalism, you can still get something out of what he said. Unless you are someone who knows a hell of a lot about Orientalism or its counterpart, Oxidentalism (no fucking idea how to spell that), I feel like the opinion of "I find Said's material to be seriously offensive enough to launch a campaign to get the teacher who taught it fired" is very shortsighted.
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Gross and Fosse specialize in research in political discrepancies in political science and are heavily cited. They have attempted to quantify the self-selection gap (emphasis mine): Quote:
- Education (and it would be an open question whether this is due to conservative anti-intellectualism or other causes). - Wage Level (most professors, especially those in the social sciences, don't make much money) - Religious affiliation (conservatives aggregate heavily as protestants and this group is mostly separate from professors) - Tolerance for controversial ideas The authors find that professors have a higher tolerance for controversial ideas not a lower tolerance. Here is their methodology for testing tolerance to controversial ideas which demonstrates that it also controls for left-leaning controversial ideas: Quote:
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An interesting aside, these self-selection behaviors can create a feedback loop based on ingroup/outgroup dynamics that does result in professorship calcifying into a liberal-biased group. See http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.882.1681&rep=rep1&type=pdf. This would make it even more important to address these self-selection factors if you're looking to neutralize political bias.
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can you post that again but pretend im 5
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I hesitate to draw too many conclusions from your study due to the fact that it's a self-reporting survey that is strongly biased toward caucasian respondents and it does not attempt to provide controls for baseline self-selecting differences between liberals and conservatives like the one I provided above. It's obvious that a group with a higher baseline level of fear will score higher when asked to address their fear, so a good study should control for this.
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> laments that no one responds to his effortposts
> complains that the response is too complex when someone responds to his effortposts
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sorry but sources using "hypotheses using a variant of the Oaxaca-Blinder regression decomposition procedure" is a bit more effort than my potsmoking child brain can handle oops
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TIL you can measure and quantify baseline levels of fear
is it anything like a lie detector test? :thinking:
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One of the best actual valuable things I got out of college was understanding research methods and how to parse the effect size, uncertainty, and possible confounds of different experimental designs.
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1. They're true 2. They're false 3. There's not enough information to determine their veracity either way The safe option is 3 when there's a lack of compelling information. You seem quite keen to believe whatever evidence justifies your beliefs and discard whatever evidence doesn't justify your beliefs. Yet at the same time you readily admit you don't have the statistical skillset to analyze uncertainty in a study, and you make the novice mistake of arguing from anecdote repeatedly. All this does is nurture confirmation bias. What you need is less 1 and 2 and more 3.
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i don't see how my arguing and referencing anecdotes from relevant authorities in academia in this thread is any worse or any more problematic representation of confirmation bias than just saying "well yeah theres maga hats on my campus so this isn't true" and arriving at unsubstantiated conclusions that way.
btw i hate this
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someone else post aperson makes me nervous with his big smart brain
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some times learning is frustrating and not fun, so it goes
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especially when ur teacher is boring
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