TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]

[DaBackpack]

I know this reasoning is unorthodox but it's still my best guess this phase

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

alright so

I'm fine with indheart for now

sunfan is fine

Precarious I actually like this game

Syhto is 50/50 which are good odds and we do have some interactions with her

Xiz looks alright

no opinion on WC or Celery actually

let me revisit gradiant

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

what made you say this?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I don't want to get bogged down in details but did you expect her to come back later at some point? (you said "for quite a while")

did she come back in the previous game?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I still think this is a little weird because the question asked by Syhto was "who hasn't posted yet?" and you respond with "I don't think <this player> will post anytime soon"... which is kind of like taking accountability for somebody you aren't affiliated with (if you're town)

it's just a little weird but not enough by itself

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this is consistent with what you've said

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

three soft defenses of celery

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Three soft defenses of Celery despite never having stated a town read on Celery prior

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Gradiant, do you actually think Celery is town?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

it's suspicious to defend him like that without interacting with him or formulating an actual read on him

for the record, those three posts you mentioned were the only ones mentioning Celirra.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I need to see if Gradiant ever replied to Cleery at all this game

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

This is the only meaningful post where he interacts with Celery

Gradiant

Celery and Gradiant have not interacted at all this phase and yet Gradiant is there to defend Celery when he gets a bit of heat

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

OK the middle one was not a defense, but I think my point still stands

Gradiant is very cognizant of Celery's presence this phase so far, and ultimately I think the other posts act as defenses for him, despite him never directly reacting to anything Celery does (by directly engaging him for example)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Normally I'm wary of lynching someone over potential connections but this is the best lead I have atm

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I know but it's just weird

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

@everyone even if gradiant doesn't die remember what I've been saying

if grad or cel flip wolf, look at the other

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

possibly 1 in grad/funny

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I know this reasoning is unorthodox but it's still my best guess this phase

dbp

lolyou if you think this is a good case, blind or anyone

"no opinion" on celirra, yet gradiant has to be defending him while also not having a read on him

"three soft defenses of celery", one of which is a soft attack, and you can tell he's aware of tps' posts in other posts of his

if he gave a shit about gradi's reads today in the legacy he asked for, he'd actually go read why gradi had those reads and judge for himself

he stated the gradiant scumread early for reactions and then "forgot" what it was about before, you know, he could actually say what it was about, but then wound up with no wolves later and had to go find one again

there's no internal/background towny process going on here because he's a wolf

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by inDheart

dbp

lolyou if you think this is a good case, blind or anyone

"no opinion" on celirra, yet gradiant has to be defending him while also not having a read on him

"three soft defenses of celery", one of which is a soft attack, and you can tell he's aware of tps' posts in other posts of his

if he gave a shit about gradi's reads today in the legacy he asked for, he'd actually go read why gradi had those reads and judge for himself

he stated the gradiant scumread early for reactions and then "forgot" what it was about before, you know, he could actually say what it was about, but then wound up with no wolves later and had to go find one again

there's no internal/background towny process going on here because he's a wolf

I did think it was a good case

It's bizarre to me to have specific feelings only in reaction to other people talking about him

I thought his opinion on Celery would more naturally manifest itself throughout the thread but it didn't. If you literally go into his ISO and ctrl+F "Celirra" then you find opinions about Celirra only in the context of other people bringing Celirra's name up.

This read to me as the classic wolf strategy of "don't talk to your partners unless you have to" because doing so creates interactions in the case one of them flips. I thought Gradiant was invoking this while also doing his best to keep Celirra off of people's minds in general.

Regarding the second post I quoted, you are right, I misinterpreted it but I discarded that conflicting evidence because it was too late to reevaluate the fuller context.

I did actually forget why I toneread Gradiant wolf the first time around because I couldn't really rederive it when I tried again. It wasn't until I was getting town reads on other people that I decided to revisit with a blind eye and try to learn something. That is when I kept consistently noticing the Celirra pattern.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I did think it was a good case

It's bizarre to me to have specific feelings only in reaction to other people talking about him

I thought his opinion on Celery would more naturally manifest itself throughout the thread but it didn't. If you literally go into his ISO and ctrl+F "Celirra" then you find opinions about Celirra only in the context of other people bringing Celirra's name up.

This read to me as the classic wolf strategy of "don't talk to your partners unless you have to" because doing so creates interactions in the case one of them flips. I thought Gradiant was invoking this while also doing his best to keep Celirra off of people's minds in general.

Regarding the second post I quoted, you are right, I misinterpreted it but I discarded that conflicting evidence because it was too late to reevaluate the fuller context.

I did actually forget why I toneread Gradiant wolf the first time around because I couldn't really rederive it when I tried again. It wasn't until I was getting town reads on other people that I decided to revisit with a blind eye and try to learn something. That is when I kept consistently noticing the Celirra pattern.

gradiant isn't unique in his treatment of cel though. like, you focusing on the two of them specifically in your case is bugging me. reading his ISO pretty quickly he only gives two affirmative townreads, on xiz and you, ends up retracting the one on you. most others are a joke

and comparing to how he treats some other unnamed people, take a look at what he says/does about syhto, for instance. similar arm's length holding; makes a post about her not having played in a long time so he has no meta basis to say much, and she's not one of his wolf leans. fits the same type of read pattern; would be a decent match for your theory other than it creates a sort of burgeoning wolf team where gradi's soft defending both

so i'm like, why not talk about how he's reading syhto?

also given perfect blowjob, which has been talked about here a couple times, i think he'd be relatively unafraid to touch his partners and would know to try to interact with them; don't think it would just slip his mind. he's proven he can play to outs, and can very likely do better than the "classic" strat

perhaps it's an effect of what time you managed to come back around, but the read you developed came together in a rush. so i'm factoring that in now, just...it's also back onto gradi, who you'd prior stated a wolf lean on, and in that sense feels "easy"

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by inDheart

gradiant isn't unique in his treatment of cel though. like, you focusing on the two of them specifically in your case is bugging me. reading his ISO pretty quickly he only gives two affirmative townreads, on xiz and you, ends up retracting the one on you. most others are a joke

and comparing to how he treats some other unnamed people, take a look at what he says/does about syhto, for instance. similar arm's length holding; makes a post about her not having played in a long time so he has no meta basis to say much, and she's not one of his wolf leans. fits the same type of read pattern; would be a decent match for your theory other than it creates a sort of burgeoning wolf team where gradi's soft defending both

so i'm like, why not talk about how he's reading syhto?

also given perfect blowjob, which has been talked about here a couple times, i think he'd be relatively unafraid to touch his partners and would know to try to interact with them; don't think it would just slip his mind. he's proven he can play to outs, and can very likely do better than the "classic" strat

perhaps it's an effect of what time you managed to come back around, but the read you developed came together in a rush. so i'm factoring that in now, just...it's also back onto gradi, who you'd prior stated a wolf lean on, and in that sense feels "easy"

I don't know how many other ways I have to say "I saw Celery's name several times in Gradiant's ISO and thought it was weird that he didn't really have a read on him"

that's just how it is