TWG CLXXII - TWGood End!

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taking a small break and posting my thoughts so I don't have a massive fucking tower

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...osted&t=148203

And then click on the number next to their name. I was asking because your list yesterday, aside from including Charu and skipping Xel, fit exactly the bottom half of posters in the game at the time. Wasn't sure if you were just calling out lowposters after seeing the list, or if it was actually something about their content that struck you as lacking.


Your list:
1. Blindreper1179
2. Shadowolfe
4. mellonxcollie
5. kirkfan2255
6. Charu
8. DaBackpack
13. Roundbox
14. DarkManticoreX2

Posts at the time:
https://i.imgur.com/o4zu5fZ.png

I think it's safe to assume Yeti is town, just based on the way this is worded
look at this blatant as fuck blue hunting. not sure if this post has been mentioned yet but here u go

you could poke a hole in this logic by the fact yeti didn't die n1, but maybe the wolf team thought someone else was a more important kill?? (probably sunfan based on savior n1 mechanics)

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

if it were anyone but haku making that post I'd bury them for it

I think haku likes to have a the game played a certain way and is hesitant of deviating from it as either alignment

I agree with this, the discussions I've had with him in games recently makes me feel like he has TWG put in a box and is trying to see if every puzzle piece fits
there might be too many new puzzle pieces here (new people)

Originally Posted by the sun fan

haven't read everyone yet, probably not going to read everyone's iso today

town:
kirk
raeko
charu
AA (can't justify putting you lower)

probably not lynching today:
inD (off of quantity alone he's more likely to be town but this is not a locked in read at all)
blind (fell down a bit after iso)
shado
yeti (tbh nothing solid either way debated putting her a tier lower. A lot of her posts feel easy to make. I do enjoy them, though)
Haku (too many posts to be wolf unless he's that role that chooses to be wolf or something)

outside of town list:
DBP (I feel like I've only read his shitposts)
Xel (incompatible to be scum with DBP imo, but pretty sucky posts from what I've read)
Manti (some of his posts feel like he's annoyed for weird reasons)

kinda scummy:
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READS OF DEAD PLAYERS MEANS THIS IS IMPORTANT
I'm not sure if he posts another one before EOD but I want to bring this up.
aside from him being wrong about me and xel, I think we should take this into consideration since sunfan's reads were hot as fuck last game and I lynched him like a moron

will interpret this once I'm caught up to make a better read of the game

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm a good D0 lynch if you enjoy policy memes and I like my wagon tbh.

this is towny

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

do you not find the timing of kirk's vote... interesting?

I don't, the intent behind this posts is masked by calling it opportunistic
if AA is increasingly antagonistic toward kirk d0 then it might be worth an investigation

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I disagree with this -- isn't this pretty par for the course with Charu?

he has more "read enhanced" posts typically, the shitpost:content ratio is a bit closer

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

wait WHAT

what does this reaction mean @dabackpack

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

just tilted to learn that there's wolf daychat

oh

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

SAME

as you can tell I h ad the complete opposite reaction
have not seen AA push kirk anymore as to where I am so maybe I'm wrong on AA's intent

Originally Posted by the sun fan

you mentioning Xel's scumtell rubs me the wrong way becacuse you either missed it last time or he didn't do it therefore you should reconsider it

I died before I could call him out for it that game (I know this point is useless because both of these players are dead, I just wanted to respond to it)

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Sunfan posts in general is like a giant cloud of nothingness to the point that I'm not even reading it either alignment, I'm just like are you serious?

nani the fuck

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

the consequence of stream of consciousness posting

that explains it

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Yeah.... I got really drunk last night and couldn't really read the thread. So I said that and peaced.

probably should have done this but w/e

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I keep being told "I think sunfan is having an off game"

fuck off with that shit

maybe I am having an off game, we'll see

but I have been playing pretty fucking well these past few months. Seeing shit like that especially in games where I feel like I know I'm right (the game I was mislynched) just really fucking annoys me

I still feel bad for last game, I'll make up for it in this game though !!

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

ok, thank you.

Feels like you don't even care.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

taking a small break and posting my thoughts so I don't have a massive fucking tower

I think it's safe to assume Yeti is town, just based on the way this is worded
look at this blatant as fuck blue hunting. not sure if this post has been mentioned yet but here u go

you could poke a hole in this logic by the fact yeti didn't die n1, but maybe the wolf team thought someone else was a more important kill?? (probably sunfan based on savior n1 mechanics)



I agree with this, the discussions I've had with him in games recently makes me feel like he has TWG put in a box and is trying to see if every puzzle piece fits
there might be too many new puzzle pieces here (new people)



READS OF DEAD PLAYERS MEANS THIS IS IMPORTANT
I'm not sure if he posts another one before EOD but I want to bring this up.
aside from him being wrong about me and xel, I think we should take this into consideration since sunfan's reads were hot as fuck last game and I lynched him like a moron

will interpret this once I'm caught up to make a better read of the game



this is towny



I don't, the intent behind this posts is masked by calling it opportunistic
if AA is increasingly antagonistic toward kirk d0 then it might be worth an investigation



he has more "read enhanced" posts typically, the shitpost:content ratio is a bit closer



what does this reaction mean @dabackpack



oh



as you can tell I h ad the complete opposite reaction
have not seen AA push kirk anymore as to where I am so maybe I'm wrong on AA's intent

I died before I could call him out for it that game (I know this point is useless because both of these players are dead, I just wanted to respond to it)



nani the fuck



that explains it



probably should have done this but w/e



I still feel bad for last game, I'll make up for it in this game though !!

please fix your second spoiler

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Feels like you don't even care.

I was looking for you to do something Haku.

This is something Haku. I got what I needed.

Don't assume.

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

please fix your second spoiler

Originally Posted by the sun fan

you mentioning Xel's scumtell rubs me the wrong way becacuse you either missed it last time or he didn't do it therefore you should reconsider it

I died before I could call him out for it that game (I know this point is useless because both of these players are dead, I just wanted to respond to it)

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Sunfan posts in general is like a giant cloud of nothingness to the point that I'm not even reading it either alignment, I'm just like are you serious?

nani the fuck

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

the consequence of stream of consciousness posting

that explains it

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Yeah.... I got really drunk last night and couldn't really read the thread. So I said that and peaced.

probably should have done this but w/e

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I keep being told "I think sunfan is having an off game"

fuck off with that shit

maybe I am having an off game, we'll see

but I have been playing pretty fucking well these past few months. Seeing shit like that especially in games where I feel like I know I'm right (the game I was mislynched) just really fucking annoys me

I still feel bad for last game, I'll make up for it in this game though !!

[LightManticorex2]

Okay I'm here. Catching up.

[TWG Ike]

about to put InD on the side of a milk carton

[LightManticorex2]

I stated that blind and xel are commonly mislynched.

My mindset was if they die I don't really care that much because they're trouble to read lategame, but blind vs xel this early just feels like we couldn't come up with better targets and instead went after the people who have the most trouble dending themselves and also have trouble making cases.

When you make posts like this:

Originally Posted by Charu

While I appreciate, I don't particular understand anything about those quotes and why I should read Ike scummy from your perspective just on these alone.

Seems more like a OMGUS than anything.

You are asking more then blind can produce.

Originally Posted by Charu

Which you didn't really do, as backpack has already stated. You suggested it, but that's ALL you did. No crazy incentive or posts showing that Haku, your next vote, was the REAL vote that should be pursued.

That's what I saw, that's what backpack saw, that's probably what AA saw, if you wanna argue otherwise that you did, then your definition of "urging town to vote someone else that's not X or Y" is pretty lackluster.

I'll say it again, I was okay with either of them dying, but only because they are trouble to read most of the time. Not because they were wolfy.

The reason Blind and xel get angry every game is because they can't argue themselves out of anything. I would imagine this is incredibly frustrating, and should be something everyone considers when pushing them in the future.

Additionally, here's a hot read:

Blind's probably town. Highly doubt he calls out shadow's weak Mellon vote as a partner:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

nice rim job of a vote shadow

[TWG Ike]

manti if you think the blind-->shado callout makes them not w/w, do you think the shado vote BEING weak has any implication for shado/mellon w/w?

[TWG Ike]

or do you think it's w/t and scum!shado makes a crappy vote+push onto a villager?

[LightManticorex2]

So I went back through all of charu's posts to try to find out why he's been floating my name up all game. Here's what I have:

Quotes in reguard to my meta read on myself where charu says my opinion of how I play is a lie. Pro tip: the read I gave was my own personal assessment of my playstyle. I didn't lie, and I don't understand why charu made it such a big deal. Reguardless, it's a meta read so more likely then not it's not exceedingly useful anyway.

Originally Posted by Charu

I really really REALLY wanna say this is false.

Originally Posted by Charu

Like so bad, I wanna say that is the biggest lie I've ever read from Manti.

AA asks charu if charu would want to lynch me

Originally Posted by Charu

Not at the moment, but it's really alarming to see him say that he's either X or Y depending on if team is losing or not.

I don't feel that's his play at all.

Originally Posted by Charu

Maybe it's a bad conception, lying about this seems really strange.

idk, maybe it's not a lie, but it certainly felt like one.

...

If he is lying, then idk what town manti would want with that.

Later I go after Indy for his posttrain that I called fluffy. I called it fluffy because a lot of the posts felt irrelevant, and there was no clear point to why he quoted any of them. He didn't add anything to the conversation, just rehashed old content. I question what indy's point in making the posts he made was, because I didn't see a solving mindset behind the posts, I saw a "I need to be active" mindset behind them, and charu posts this:

Originally Posted by Charu

And in his defense, because bygone I do think he's town here.

What is there to solve, Manti, hmmmmmmm?

The answer to below, (and I answered this at the time through a Mellon question with no response from charu) was that Indy was trying to catch up and be useful, but his posts really weren't useful. They weren't designated shitposts.

Originally Posted by Charu

So my real answer is Manti for picking on my boy inDheart for being "fluffy". Why hasn't he done it on me? I'm sure my posts are filled with it, or maybe he's so accustomed to me that he didn't question it.

*Mystery....................*

So at this point, the only reason I see for charu not liking me is my meta read on myself still. The mystery........ tacked onto the end of the post looks like it's trying to subvert my Indy read by making you question what my point on Indy was is charu is considered fluffier

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Charu's vote list with reasoning:

Wants to vote me for being active and prodding (what??) and follows up with falling back on my meta read which he previously stated he though was "the biggest lie I've ever made"

Why fall back on a meta read you thought was a lie in the first place??

Originally Posted by Charu

Requoting because I wanna say who I would vote with this list.

*AHEM*

Would vote blind (Acting literally the same as previous WOLF game)
Would vote Shadow (Not a whole lot of content, has said repeated things, but probably due to not being here [and he seems to be sort of catching up now as I'm typing this] so this is probably a red herring)
Wouldn't vote mellon (She's somewhat active, this is a good sign, trust me)
Wouldn't vote kirk (Has posted reads, plus too little posts so no info really gained since reads were pretty surface [As they should anyways D0].)
Wouldn't vote Backpack (but this can change barring the next 20 or so hours.)
Unsure with roundbox (would before, after random iso on me... idk)
Would vote Manti (Being super active and unusually proddy when past TWG's have shown he's not a fan of D0 interactions due to no info.)

...

Another thing about Manti, remember when he said his "meta" was he was more active if whatever alignment was doing bad?

Yeah, I'm not gonna let go of that statement, mister! You're being active now, and town is most certainly not in a pinch!!!

Originally Posted by Charu

Fight me Manti

Originally Posted by Charu

You think he peace'd out because he got exposed for saying he might know blind is town? Or saying that to try to look good?

Would manti even run away from that? Feel like Manti wouldn't be the type of player to suddenly shut up, but, OOPS, I think he said in his meta he would, erm... "post less if it gave him the win" or something like that.

I'm paraphrasing there, but something to that extent, lol.

Then we follow up and go to D1, and charu has been giving me shit for staying on Haku despite me clarifying why I did multiple times.

Charu's reasoning is either completely manufactured, or I'm dealing with a massive tunnel from him that needs to end.

[LightManticorex2]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

or do you think it's w/t and scum!shado makes a crappy vote+push onto a villager?

W/t with crappy vote on a villager who might get lynched and won't fight back.

[Hakulyte]

I think the why overall is not ideal.

I think the why behind his voting pattern was because he had to follow the logic of his own read list.
The problem is that he most likely made that read list at the end of the phase and it wasn't complete.

It's safe to assume that he may have improvised these reads at the last minute which means he probably had the rest of the wolf team in mind while doing it.

He could have made an incomplete read list far ahead in time, but it doesn't change the conclusion for the vote progression.

Logically:

Shado forgets about time.
Shado makes a read list.
Shado's read list has Xel in slight town.
Shado makes a "unique" mellon vote + reasons based on read list. (top scum)
Shado looks at the wagons.
Shado's read list has blind as frustrated town
Shado's read list has Haku slight scum.
Shado votes Haku because it follows his reads.

That's most likely how it worked, but I don't think the vote progression is important.
I think you're more likely to find a wolf by observing the read list itself.

What sucks is that there's no way to really determine for sure who was what just by looking at the read list itself because there's nothing to help understanding the real intentions.

So, you can take a bunch of suspicious names if you want to try to see if it fits with the puzzle or you may as well just discard his reads and find another wolf individually.

I feel like we won't move on if we don't do that.

[Hakulyte]

I wrote the above for #2029-#2030.

[Hakulyte]

Manti looking good with that post imo.

[roundbox]

I will keep continuing tomorrow
I'm a bit exhausted from traveling and stuff but I will be able to catch up during my lunch break as well as after school
and yes, I will be around for EOD!

[TWG Ike]

i mean yeah haku, he had to vote according to his reads list to not raise suspicion

thing is, as scum he crafted that reads list. it's not organic, clueless town going "hm well i like X and don't like Y"

so what was his motivation in putting mellon as his top SR (to warrant voting her)? distancing a teammate he didn't think would ACTUALLY get lynched on d1? or a mislynch he wanted to set up, maybe not FOR d1, but for later?

[TWG Ike]

solid af wifom

who else drink it

[Hakulyte]

The best person to get over that wine is mellon herself.

I think she just got framed from not being here tbh, but that's because I have an individual read on her that I liked and she showed up and continued with a good game progression.

[Hakulyte]

I have no idea for reading motivations here.