It's time I say something about this

[Choofers]

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.... A2P man, I dunno if my words mean much to you but...

Every time I get depressed it takes a few days to go away. I start asking myself stupid meaningless questions over the most trivial things, like "what is the significance of waking up" and usually I would answer "because it doesn't matter, we're all going to die some day." I would usually dig myself deeper into the question until I just get so depressed that I can't even walk to the kitchen. What helps me do things I am required to do without the use of drugs is actually hope. I can start aiming for things in life and make myself stand out from other people and gain a position in life and stuff. Even aiming for crappy things like getting out of Highschool without quitting is driving me right now.

I guess what I mean to say is, if you preoccupy yourself with thoughts that counterattack the thoughts that make you feel like shit, you can get rid of the depression.

I don't know what you mean by "beating yourself up" but I think you mean getting pissed off at yourself by doing dumb shit. In my opinion maybe you could just shove those ideas as soon as you think them and just replace them with better thoughts about what you actually did right, instead of what you did wrong.

Even if I'm off base, I still think you should start giving yourself more credit. Hold back on the drugs, use that achievement as a crutch for a bit if it makes yourself feel better. Once you get back on your feet, you'll get better at noticing what sets you off and what you can do to balance it.


tl;dr: it's all about balance. Happy thoughts are best against thoughts that make you feel like shit. Do what you can to balance the good and the bad.

and in case you want to know, I've been fighting with depression for over 5 years now. I don't take drugs for it, or even do them in general. It IS possible to stop feeling like this.

you're 17 and have no idea what you're talking about

[Wayward Vagabond]

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yo a2p you my ***** so get some help by seeing a therapist like its been said.

we ride together we die together and i aint ready to die so lets ride bro

[gold stinger]

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I plead that you read all of this, for I have had depression for 7 years, and it sounds like you're going through some of the same stages as myself:

I got depression at the age of 10 due to my father leaving the family. I still see him now and again, but he was the main discharge of depression. To understand depression and how it was formed here, we have to look at the definition of depression, because it actually has 2 meanings. The first meaning is to have severe despondency and dejection, accompanied with feelings and hopelessness. The second is a mental disturbance that causes lack of energy and difficulty in maintaining concentration or interest in life.

These 2 definitions usually happen subsequently from my personal experiences, but can differ from person to person based on the ignition and the fuel. For example, in my own personal problem, my father declaring that he will never get back together to live with my mother was the ignition of the depression, and admittedly I nearly strangled one of my cats to death over it, but I stopped. The recoil from the experience caused me to miss a year of school to try and get over the problems, got to see multiple therapist's, and re-connect with my father after a year. But during that time, I felt like I didn't belong, as if the world could go on without me because fact it; everyone will be heading there someday. During the year that I had off I wanted to be "something else", and the only way I saw getting there was to take the ultimate price, but I was always too scared about how much pain it would cause physically to do it. Not mentally, physically. This is the fuel of depression.

I guess you could say I never really got over my depression, but I learned to accept what has happened and move on with my life, and live on with that feeling no matter how much it gets me down. The greatest secret of getting rid of depression actually starts with you. There's no greater medication in the world. As long as you have the willpower to continue living in fear of death, you should be okay. If your problem consists of someone in your life that you're angry at, or the way your life is going, tackle the situation head-on. If you're problem is something you know you can't do anything about unless you make the sacrifice, look up ways to subside with them in life and continue life with the goals in mind. The way I used to solve my problem actually was to start learning how to lucid dream and have outer body experiences so I could become that "something else" in my dreams. It's not the real thing that I want, but it gives me something to strive for while I'm still alive.

Also,

go for therapy, if you dislike your therapist after at least 3 visits, ask for another.

If you really are.depressed, go see a therapist ASAP.

Medication never helped me. Get a therapist (a good one) who can help you.

get some help by seeing a therapist like its been said.

Therapist's suck l0l. All they do is preach to you the right thing to do, and sit down with you on a personal level. But in all honesty, if the problem is personal, you're not going to want to share that information with a complete stranger, right? That was the problem that I had and I only really opened up a very small portion of it to my mother, and my mother laughed at it. Also, if you start to get mood swings or your emotions out of wack in a therapist's office, about 90% of them will think it's an illness, when they're only 50% right.

Depression can be both an illness that can be solved with medication, but depression can also be a change in the state of consciousness, in which you cannot change with medication, and that's a lot of where my approach is coming in. If you've tried drugs and medication to escape from your depression, chances are, the depression isn't an illness, but a change in your state of consciousness.

I just don't see therapist's as a fit source to ending depression. They practically work at the same level as a counsellor - someone that you need to talk to from time to time. But in all honesty, you're already talking to people from time to time, starting with this forum right here. Even if it isn't physical, we hope to get the message over mentally. The only time I would ever consider seeing a Therapist is if your willingness to commit suicide outweighs your willingness to live. By that case, you need some professional help to get you back onto grounds.

I guess what I mean to say is, if you preoccupy yourself with thoughts that counterattack the thoughts that make you feel like shit, you can get rid of the depression.

Sometimes when dealing with depression, it's impossible to preoccupy yourself with thoughts that counterattack thoughts that make you feel like shit if you desire and/or want them enough. Like I said, it depends on the ignition of the depression, and the fuel used for the prolonging of the depression. I still have depression, but I've learned to live with it aside and set goals in life to find alternate routes to completing the goal, even if those goals can't be set in reality.

For example, if your reason for the ultimate price is to get to heaven so you could obtain something, try setting goals for good deeds wherever they can be found so that you can guarantee your entry into heaven. Or, if you want to become something else, try forming and shaping your dreams so that you can achieve that form. Not going to indulge on this section too much because I respect all religions here, but the list could go on forever.

Wishing you the best with your depression. Also, don't beat yourself up over it, you are an individual and deserve to be respected as one. Although, if you can't help but beat yourself up over it, don't hesitate to share the problem to people around you.

[Insert oh my god why do I like MLP:FiM this is going to destroy my life, I can't tell anyone rant here]

[Choofers]

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you are also 17 and have no idea what you're talking about

there's a huge difference in "man I'm bored and thinking too much about what life has in store for me after I move out of my parents house" and clincal depression

[mi40]

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ppl need to stop blabbing on about themselves and give the guy some actual advice

(i dont have much else to say cause i never had clinical depression)

[gold stinger]

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you are also 17 and have no idea what you're talking about

there's a huge difference in "man I'm bored and thinking too much about what life has in store for me after I move out of my parents house" and clincal depression

turning 18 in a month.

Due to how limited life can be and what you want to do with it, many of the things you want to do are outside of what could possibly be done, so you can't rely on moving out of your parent's house to try and solve the problem.

If the ignition is something that is realistic and by all means could be done, tackle it head-on like Choof says, you never know what's going to happen until you try. This same scenario can be used for solving the ignition of depression and hitting depression at the core, however it may not always remove the fuel of depression which keeps it lingering.

In the case that you have lingering depression, I like to resort to a goal-keeping method where you can list a set of goals that will most likely take it's time and "almost-guarantee" it at the end, or solve it long-term if possible.

If the case is you are bored and want to do things in life, you really should go out and do things in your life. Research on what it is you want to do, and tackle it head-on in the same fashion as the ignition for depression.

[NSA]

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here's my impression of a person with depression.


"boo-hoo. everything sucks. nothing is worthwhile. why me?
why doesnt anything good ever happen to me?
why cant i get what i want?
whats wrong with me?
the world is out to get me. im helpless.
im too scared to get up and make something of myself.. im just gonna keep making excuses for why im not doing anything with my life instead of actually getting up off my ass and doing something. i cant do anything when im depressed
boo hoo. why is this happening to me?"



here's my impression of a formerly depressed person:


"man i was so fucking stupid. i cant believe i wasted all those years of my life. what the hell was i thinking?"




read some of my posts in the public tgb, under the thread you started. the second post i made should cover what you're dealing with. just go out and learn stuff everyday. there's no reason to put yourself in time-out. nobody is gonna give a shit about you, so you might as well start giving a shit about yourself. people will gladly put you down if you let them, stand up for yourself and quit wasting your days. you can change, its not impossible.


try to figure out what thoughts bring you down and what triggers them. recognizing how maladaptive thoughts work is the first step to change. be mindful, and aware. a cloudy mind is not going to help you figure anything out. just stop being so fucking stupid!!!


seriously... depressed people are fucking idiots.

[d4u7211]

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Meds aren't the best route, especially since you actually use drugs to escape at this point. My brother had this depression but didn't use any drugs (besides weed occasionally) and was prescribed meds, and he eventually was weaned off of them. He's a much stabler person now.

But what helped him besides just those was, like others have said, finding something to do. People here have been saying "do something you love," but if you've had clinical depression you KNOW that isn't something you can just conjure up. Someone mentioned building things or starting a project; I think this is a fantastic idea. Not only does it keep you busy, but when it's completed you have a sense of productivity and accomplishment, and it helps a ton. If creativity isn't your thing, maybe try volunteering to help somewhere, like tutoring or helping animals, etc. These sorts of activities are self rewarding and generally are easy "happy triggers" - the same ones you trigger when you use drugs, except you're doing something productive and doing something that makes you feel good before AND after.

Edit: NSA for best therapist 1742. What a waste of space in the forum.

[Dynam0]

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Although NSA's post was crude, it does make a decent in point in that you can't 'think' or 'talk' away your depression. You need to keep active and moving, either literally moving (exercise was brought up and I think it is a great idea), or setting and accomplishing goals for yourself.

I'm in a very demotivated state right now since I finished teacher's college and there are so few jobs in my area, not to mention I know 100% that teaching isn't my passion. I have no set direction or life goals that I want to accomplish and it's turning me into a lazy pos to put it lightly. I can definitely see how this can turn depressive when there seems to be no end to this 'meandering' through life. Of course as choof said, this is more of a 'goddammit growing up sucks' depression and not a 'i can't stand my existence on this planet' depression.

tl;dr, be actively working towards tangible goals and keep your body healthy as well. Keeping busy will at the very least give you no time to stop and think negatively about your situation, and you will begin to see your life taking shape as you start to chisel away at things. Lay off the cough syrup too for God's sake.

Good luck sir!

[gold stinger]

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try to figure out what thoughts bring you down and what triggers them. recognizing how maladaptive thoughts work is the first step to change.

This is the only section that I agree with in the correct sense. Everything else is unethical bashing, and I pretty much explained all of this in my long ass post that no one bother's to read. Either keep occupied or set goals.

Edit: Dynamo u goddam ninja I <3 u

Someone mentioned building things or starting a project; I think this is a fantastic idea.

I agree 100% as long as it's something you want to do, in which case why are you spending time on something you don't want to do that's not mandatory.

[adlp]

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talk to someone

i personally dont like seeing a therapist, so i would only visit once or twice with them before giving up. i just became close a friend that was having similar problems as me and she genuinely listened becuse she cared about me.

im not saying that actual therapists dont care about their patients, it's always in your best interest to actually see a professional first and see if that's the route that will work for you instead of dumping your baggage on one or two good friends.

[awein999]

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Primarily you need to be surrounded by loving people/a strong support system.
Secondarily staying on medication.

[NSA]

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or dont talk to someone....


does talking about your problems with other people really help? maybe sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes the only person who can change things is yourself. Sometimes you just need to put yourself out of your comfort zone and try new things, learn new ways of thinking so that you can reexamine yourself with a new set of eyes. there's much more to us than we realize. a lot of people put themselves in a box and think they will always act or think a certain way. thats just stupid. learn to adapt, otherwise you're useless. learn to deconstruct the mental cage thats you've put yourself in! read books, learn new things, get better at interacting with people. trial and error is the only way to get better with people and you will never go anywhere if you are scared of error. be a man and do something with your life!! do it for yourself, so that everyone else who knows you may prosper too!!

[Crazyjayde]

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Face your fear of dying
This might sound heavy, but can be the source of a great load of anxieties

[Godnick]

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or dont talk to someone....


does talking about your problems with other people really help? maybe sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes the only person who can change things is yourself. Sometimes you just need to put yourself out of your comfort zone and try new things, learn new ways of thinking so that you can reexamine yourself with a new set of eyes. there's much more to us than we realize. a lot of people put themselves in a box and think they will always act or think a certain way. thats just stupid. learn to adapt, otherwise you're useless. learn to deconstruct the mental cage thats you've put yourself in! read books, learn new things, get better at interacting with people. trial and error is the only way to get better with people and you will never go anywhere if you are scared of error. be a man and do something with your life!! do it for yourself, so that everyone else who knows you may prosper too!!

+1 to that beautiful statement. No medications or therapists to tell you what to do needed.