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Good < 10 with 0-0-0 for the rest 47 43.52%
Good < 10-x-x-x 18 16.67%
< -250pts from a AAA in Raw Scoring (which would be 10 goods) 43 39.81%
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:05 PM   #41
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Default Re: Definition of SDG

They are close to, but not SDGs.

Same as 0-0-0-1 is close to, but not a AAA. (It's a booflag)
But okay, 0-0-0-2 is also close to, but not a AAA and has no special name.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #42
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Default Re: Definition of SDG

Well, an AAA in FFR means "The highest score possible" in a file.

0-0-0-1 = booflag (According to FFR terms)

0-0-0-2 = double booflag (According to what the majority of the FFR community calls it)
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Well, an AAA in FFR means "The highest score possible" in a file.
I would say AAA is all Perfects, and in many cases, all perfects happens to be the highest score possible. With Marvelous Timing in SM, AAA is not the highest score possible, etc. In most games, AAA has a specific definition and I think it's better for consistency's sake to stick with that definition.

More on topic, in general: SDG's and scores that are just as good as SDG's aren't the same characterization. SDG has a very specific meaning and you will fall into a lot of arbitrary inconsistencies by trying to shoehorn in other contexts that make "SDG" lose its meaning.

tldr why the hell are people voting option 3

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Old 02-21-2012, 01:51 PM   #44
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I would say AAA is all Perfects, and in many cases, all perfects happens to be the highest score possible. With Marvelous Timing in SM, AAA is not the highest score possible, etc. In most games, AAA has a specific definition and I think it's better for consistency's sake to stick with that definition.
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Default Re: Definition of SDG

so this thread is all about semantics, right? no one is going to look at a screenshot or replay and not be clear on what the final result was, other than exactly what to call it.

SDG has had a positive connotation since forever. option 2 leaves open too many possibilities. I don't think the term should apply to 0-2-461-0-0 or any other loltastic score. at the same time, the "raw score" definition has too little to do with the actual meaning of the acronym. keep things simple. x-9-0-0-0 is an SDG. call x-1-0-0-1 whatever you want, but call it something else.

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Old 02-21-2012, 04:16 PM   #46
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This is actually for Velo's new engine to be precise, and he already stated that he isn't implementing more than one of the options.
wait is this just for some indicator by the songs that says you've sdg'd it? because that just seems like overkill lol. use the first option i guess. for tier points and things of that nature that actually matter ofc only raw score should be taken into account.

at this point everyone's arguing over something really dumb and inconsistent... i've never seen a score like 6-0-0-2 NOT be called an SDG, or even 6-0-1-0.

there's a reason we tend to specify the term 'SDG FC' all the damn time. identifying scores with labels like this is not that rigid of a practice =.=
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If you ask me...
<10 goods with 0 avs/miss/boos is a "clean SDG". This is more restrictive than just an SDG, in the same way that a "clean FC" is more restrictive than just an FC.
<10 goods with other stuff is an SDG in Stepmania terms, but I wouldn't call it an SDG when I'm talking about FFR. It's very easy to get a shitty score that falls under this definition.
Anything closer to the AAA than 10 goods is what I'd call an SDG, since the equivalent number of goods has a single digit.

(Note: any score that is better than 10 goods will automatically have a single digit number of Good judgments anyway. So going "herp it's just EQUIVALENT to a score with a single digit number of goods" is not very helpful, because if you want to be technical and just go by what SDG stands for, these scores would all qualify anyway.)
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Its much simpler to go with the Raw scoring method, if you want to specify that an SDG is clean because it doesn't have Boo's or averages, fine but in FFR a Boo or an average isn't a combo breaker so i think it should still be considered an SDG. That, and I'd never get SDG's because my keyboard is prone to dumping a single boo on every score i get.
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I guess 5 averages qualify as a SDG then. And boos should break combo. YEAH.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:49 AM   #50
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And boos should break combo. YEAH.
oh please never this!!!
I love guitar hero, but the fact that boos do break combo sucks sooooooo much!!!!!!!
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I believe as long as it's an fc and the goods + avg count is less than 10 it's an sdg
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oh please never this!!!
I love guitar hero, but the fact that boos do break combo sucks sooooooo much!!!!!!!
If the game is based on combo scoring then hitting an arrow THAT ISN'T EVEN THERE should punish you as much as not hitting an arrow that is there.. and a hell of a lot more than hitting an arrow a couple of frames late.
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Getting an SDG should definitely only be single digit goods with a clean 0-0-0 added to it. It's more of an accomplishment than saying you got 3-1-1-3 on a song. That score may be nice, but if you're going with the raw score, it doesn't feel like it's a milestone for someone to reach. Not only can an SDG that is clean be considered a milestone, it will push more people to enhance their accuracy and become better at the game.

I think of it as someone saying they FC'd a song, but they mashed the entire song to get the FC. No one will recognize it as much as someone that FC'd a song as clean as they possibly could.
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yo dog i hate to be blunt but ffr's scoring system does anything but push people to improve accuracy

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I would like to propose an alternate definition. SDG to be numbers of goods <= 1% of the total notes.
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Just because you and other good players may not have trouble getting good scores doesn't mean the majority of people that play the game don't try to improve.
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Old 02-25-2012, 03:50 PM   #57
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I got a(n)

SGD (<10-x-x-x)
raw SGD (<250 from AAA)
clean SGD (<10-0-0-0)

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Old 02-25-2012, 09:41 PM   #58
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To me, even though I voted the third option since I think itīs the best definition for a reasonable SDG, SDG literally just means a count of single digit goods regardless of the rest of the score.

It is up to the person to decide whether a score is shitty or not. 9 goods clean, the score looks nice. 3-2-0-4, score has a higher number but it looks messy and definitely doesnīt look nice on a personal level but still has single digit goods. Just like how 7-0-0-0 and 5-0-0-0 are both SDGs, but obviously the 5 good run is better.

I say stick to the literal definition of Good < 10-x-x-x and decide for yourself if itīs a crappy score. Sure, itīs single digit goods, but the rest of the score looks like a pile of manure.
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Didn't read the thread, just the main post.

SDG = Single Digit Goods.

I wonder why it's a discussion?
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:06 AM   #60
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The official dore definition of SDG:
-9 goods or less
-avs count as 2 goods: 8-1, 6-2, etc still counts since an av is slightly less than 2 goods
-non-fc disqualifies
-boos don't matter
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