Definition of SDG

[devonin]

Re: Definition of SDG

Should be 9-0-0-0 or less.

"An SDG" and "Has the same raw score as an SDG" aren't the same thing.

Just like how the old framer days meant there were songs that were actually impossible to AAA, having the best -possible- score on the song should still have been rank 1 on the song, but shoudln't have been a AAA.

Edit: If 9-0-0-4 is an SDG, then 0-0-0-5 is a Blackflag.

[who_cares973]

Re: Definition of SDG

Meant to vote for the first option

[hi19hi19]

Re: Definition of SDG

The question you have to ask yourself is, are you okay with this being a SDG:

[kmay]

Re: Definition of SDG

how can you even get that kind of PA on that song... the ****

[bmah]

Re: Definition of SDG

The question you have to ask yourself is, are you okay with this being a SDG:

When you put it that way, you have to go back to what you think SDG means.

Most people think of SDG as a relatively "clean" score, but you've shown that there are ways to make it look "dirty" while keeping it within a loss of 250 raw pts. So is it poor performance? Does hitting extra arrows that aren't there considered a poorer performance than being slightly off-timing (i.e. goods) on <10 existing arrows?

Sounds like it comes down to whether there's greater importance in raw scoring versus arrow count. It seems that raw scoring was never really a very important aspect of the game with the exception of custom tournaments where tourney hosts put actual emphasis on it.

For the sake of input into Velocity's new engine, although some scores can appear dirty, raw scoring is IMO more finite and less ambiguous. If the first two options in the poll were to be used, there would be some players wondering why their scores weren't considered an SDG. The term itself though needs to be better defined in that case.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Definition of SDG

IMO SDG is explicit. Single digit good. X/0/0/0 where 1<=X<=9.

Someone who gets 4/0/0/1, whatever -- that's not an SDG. It's a great score that is better than 9/0/0/0... but it's not an SDG.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Definition of SDG

I believe It's currently 9-0-0-4 or better in score and 9-0-0-0 or better once they update Tier Points. It's the asterisk exception that accept non-raw SDG as requirement that makes me believe this, because it's pretty much the only context where it matters.

1-4-0-47 is not a SDG score-wise(unless I'm calculating boos wrong). It's still a funny score. (Mash SDG(?))

To above me, 4-0-0-1 would be a SDG and 4-0-0-0 would be a clean SDG. It's not about being Single Digit Everything, it's about the Good. (?)

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: Definition of SDG

Single. Digit. Good.

Why are so many people voting for that third option?

It's pretty clear it is exactly as it says.

I will enumerate. SDG is inclusive of the following and exclusive of everything else
1-0-0-0
2-0-0-0
3-0-0-0
4-0-0-0
5-0-0-0
6-0-0-0
7-0-0-0
8-0-0-0
9-0-0-0

There.
10-0-0-0 is not an SDG. Nor is 1-0-0-1 or 3-1-0-0 or anything else.

[i love you]

Re: Definition of SDG

I agree with both Rein and Haku to an extent. I also believe that the term SDG depends on rather you are playing FFR or SM.

In FFR: They have determined that a score of 9-0-0-4 or lower is a considered a SDG. When Tier Points gets updated, it would be 9-0-0-0 or lower since it will be based off raw score.

In SM: X-9-0-0-X or lower is a SDG. Does not matter how much misses you have (from what I have seen anyway).

The Literal meaning of a SDG would be if you got a single number of goods. Does not matter if it is 9-0-0-0 or 9-9-9-9 as long as the amount of goods is a single digit number.

@Username: In FFR, stuff like 1-0-0-1 or 3-1-0-0 is still considered a SDG. It is not clean but it is a SDG according to FFR standards unless if they decide to change it.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Definition of SDG

Nor is 1-0-0-1 or 3-1-0-0 or anything else.

What are they then?

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: Definition of SDG

They are close to, but not SDGs.

Same as 0-0-0-1 is close to, but not a AAA. (It's a booflag)
But okay, 0-0-0-2 is also close to, but not a AAA and has no special name.

[i love you]

Re: Definition of SDG

Well, an AAA in FFR means "The highest score possible" in a file.

0-0-0-1 = booflag (According to FFR terms)

0-0-0-2 = double booflag (According to what the majority of the FFR community calls it)

[Reincarnate]

Re: Definition of SDG

Well, an AAA in FFR means "The highest score possible" in a file.

I would say AAA is all Perfects, and in many cases, all perfects happens to be the highest score possible. With Marvelous Timing in SM, AAA is not the highest score possible, etc. In most games, AAA has a specific definition and I think it's better for consistency's sake to stick with that definition.

More on topic, in general: SDG's and scores that are just as good as SDG's aren't the same characterization. SDG has a very specific meaning and you will fall into a lot of arbitrary inconsistencies by trying to shoehorn in other contexts that make "SDG" lose its meaning.

tldr why the hell are people voting option 3

[i love you]

Re: Definition of SDG

I would say AAA is all Perfects, and in many cases, all perfects happens to be the highest score possible. With Marvelous Timing in SM, AAA is not the highest score possible, etc. In most games, AAA has a specific definition and I think it's better for consistency's sake to stick with that definition.

Yeah, good point.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: Definition of SDG

so this thread is all about semantics, right? no one is going to look at a screenshot or replay and not be clear on what the final result was, other than exactly what to call it.

SDG has had a positive connotation since forever. option 2 leaves open too many possibilities. I don't think the term should apply to 0-2-461-0-0 or any other loltastic score. at the same time, the "raw score" definition has too little to do with the actual meaning of the acronym. keep things simple. x-9-0-0-0 is an SDG. call x-1-0-0-1 whatever you want, but call it something else.

option 1 forever.