New Songs: July 29th, 2011

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

there's a difference between a memorable difficulty spike and an obnoxious difficulty spike that could've used an alternative (like Halogen mentioned).

a difficulty spike is memorable, no matter what you've done. if you play a file and get to a section that is considerably more difficult than the rest of the song, you'll note that it's a difficulty spike and guess what - the simfile artist has left an impression about their file.

[Niala]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

*shrugs*

What's obnoxious and what's a "good difficulty spike" is completely within the realm of opinions. It's nothing more than that.

Skeletor.
>_>

[qqwref]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

12 Bar Bloops was made to be a difficult and very technical file

Very technical yes - difficult no. It's made to follow the music, which is why 80% of it is level 9-10 patterns.

aperson did a LOT better than most of the simfile authors here; he left a huge impression on a lot of players who played the song, and the tough structure of the chart adds a huge amount of playability. The response isn't very favorable, but he still triggered a huge response, which is more than most simfiles do.

Being memorable isn't a good thing if you're memorable because of how bad you are. I'd rather give a great gift to a few of my closest friends than punch 100 people, even though the second one would mean more people would remember me. In fact... I'd say a large negative response is actually WORSE than a small negative response.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

12 Bar Bloops isn't "difficult". It's just aids in a few parts.

There's a difference - qqwref is right

[aperson]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

It's pretty funny that someone mistaked 12 bar bloops for a bmah file because we do have a similar style. I really really like bmah's charts as well. But the thing is, I don't have much of a say in the stepping process when I make a chart. In my opinion it's up to me to decide what parts of the song to follow, and the rest plays itself out. Lots of songs have huge difficulty spikes because music is built to climax on certain measures over and over. I'm not trying to make difficulty spikes, I'm following what is already there. I probably spent about 30-40 hours total working on this file because I wanted to make sure I was following what was already there. Note placement is completely determined by what actual notes are being played in the song. If you hear the same frequency twice it's going to be on the same arrow unless I've intentionally permuted it because it's occurring in a different measure than normal.

The handjack section is the B part to a song that does an A B A structure, as soon as the first lead melody section ends, the song totally changes and there is nothing else to follow but what I want for. The tone of the song also gets much more evil and serious, so of course the chart should be getting harder there.

It sounds like a bunch of people want boring stream files over and over and most music actually doesn't do that.

Finally, in regards to oversights on changes, jx is supposed to handle these changes to see whether they're acceptable or not, but I'm guessing it's pretty loose in this department. I can check fixes that are sent by the gmail address, but in this case, I never saw the 12 Bar Bloops fix - ap must've sent it privately.

I kept working on it for a while after it was submitted because I still wasn't happy with it. The version I have in SM now has even more changes actually, but it's still not really 'done' imo.

[qqwref]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

It sounds like you are being overly technical, and taking absolutely nothing else into consideration. That's the kind of thing you would do before you get an advanced understanding of what makes a chart fun/enjoyable.

[leonid]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

if a file got accepted by the judges, imo it doesn't matter how negative the responses are
more responses = better

[aperson]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

It sounds like you are being overly technical, and taking absolutely nothing else into consideration. That's the kind of thing you would do before you get an advanced understanding of what makes a chart fun/enjoyable.

lmfao

Actually I've played so much SM & FFR in my life that I got tired of the same old shit.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

Very technical yes - difficult no. It's made to follow the music, which is why 80% of it is level 9-10 patterns.

seriously? who is anyone to say whether or not the file was intended to be difficult or not other than the stepartist?

Look at AP's post, he even intended on some sections to be hard and he's the simfile artist. No one has the right to dictate how anything should be stepped other than the simfile artist stepping the song, and that's IT.

edit: in before the argument of that's the job of a simfile judge, because I see the horrible argument coming from a mile away

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

[psychoangel691]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

Holy crap no matter what not all people are going to like the same thing. This is ridiculous. Stepping is pretty much all subjective aside from a few obvious things such as sync. Who's to say what a bad pattern is? Did you know I actually tend to enjoy the files that have "awkward" patterns? To some people those patterns you consider bad others consider good.

On top of it, it actually sucks that we have to nail files for difficulty spikes purely because otherwise they don't fit right into this difficulty system. I actually don't mind when a chart throws some twists at me, it keeps it interesting. I think we should just throw out a numbered rating system and just have like beg, light, standard, hard. Especially because even difficulty can vary to different people. For example AJ thinks choprite should be a 10 and so do a lot of other people but I find it hard as hell and think it should be an 11. Then I think novo mundo should be a 10 but AJ thinks it's an 11. It all depends what you're good at.

But everyone going crazy every week is just not going to help anything at all. Some like it some don't, you aren't going to love every song put into game. Hell I hate more than half of the charts in game but I don't go around complaining about it because each person is different and I know there are people that enjoy those charts.


P.S. I also enjoy the awkward as hell blue note files.

[XxMidigamixX]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

It sounds like you are being overly technical, and taking absolutely nothing else into consideration. That's the kind of thing you would do before you get an advanced understanding of what makes a chart fun/enjoyable.

Actually, its not that ap is being overly technical or not. While I do see how its has aids at some parts, and the fact that it flows with the song, I just think that its only good for scoring factors and not in fun factors, but I do agree on ap with one thing: if the files weren't aidsy or whatever, wouldn't you be tired of it. I mean, that's why people change their stepstyle or new stepartists are introducing their own styles. I thought that 12 Bars wasn't fun but others thought that the chart was amazing (in which I agree but I was looking at it in terms of fun factor, which gave me mixed feelings about it, leaning a bit more towards hating it). Plus, ap has been in the FFR/SM area for a long ass time

[i love you]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

Okay honestly, I do not even know why something like this is being taken so seriously lmao

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: New Songs: July 29th, 2011

Holy crap no matter what not all people are going to like the same thing. This is ridiculous. Stepping is pretty much all subjective aside from a few obvious things such as sync. Who's to say what a bad pattern is? Did you know I actually tend to enjoy the files that have "awkward" patterns? To some people those patterns you consider bad others consider good.

Was waiting for someone to say it, dont know why people are getting butthurt just because some people didnt like it. Not everyone is going to like it no matter how good you think you did on the file or how awesome you think the song is. Not everyone has the same tastes as you.

Okay honestly, I do not even know why something like this is being taken so seriously lmao

^ yup