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There is more provable evidence that evolution exists and there has never been any evidence found that a soul even exists that would go to heaven when we die. Many people aren't turning from the bible just to be against it. They understand that we don't know what will happen, and they turn to what provides the most factual evidence. The reason things seem to become true in the bible is because it states things that could either be common or have multiple meanings. Text is not evidence for anything, therefore I choose not to believe it. I'm not against you, my girlfriend is Christian, I'm just showing the other side to you.
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Now heres another interesting question, do cats and dogs have an afterlife too? Also deepak chopra said consciousness is in a different dimension therefore u can kill the brain but not the consciousness. I lost consciousness once and it was pitch black and i woke up like an eternity passed. Last edited by wargasm1; 07-12-2011 at 03:55 PM.. |
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2) PM me what your questions are, not even saying I'll attempt to answer them, but I'm curious what exactly you think you'd need stated "Correctly" to change your mind, and whether it is remotely reasonable as a burden of proof. |
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What I think is funny is that to really understand what The Bible was trying to say, you would need to understand the original language and understand the time at which it was written. However, this causes some problems with some of the stories in The Bible that actually create contradictions as well, so there are still holes (even with imperfect translations). I'm not going to say I know God doesn't exist, but I will say our interpretation of God certainly can not exist. The proof is in the concept that is contradictory of his own existence. It is possible that someone has a probable reasoning for how God exists, but in the context I write I'm speaking more from what I know of it and popular Religions. That's my two cents.
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God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 but yes if: God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 but either way they cant both be true so the bible screwed up somewhere. more on the original topic: personally i imagine that being dead will be remarkably similar to having not been born yet. this view is consistent with all evidence and contradicts none, but i haven't proven it at all and dont see how i could. Last edited by kaiten123; 07-16-2011 at 08:50 PM.. |
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A being that transcends spacetime could not have delayed reactions to events happening, since he would see all events and know about all events as soon as he created or planned everything. Is a movie director surprised when he watches his own movie and there is a twist at the end? If he is, it is just for effect, not out of the genuine acquisition of new knowledge about the movie plot he himself created and designed specifically to happen in that order. Last edited by ledwix; 07-16-2011 at 09:18 PM.. |
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I went to a complete wacko fundamentalist Christian school for primary. In one of the science books, it showed a man being formed from water, with the caption "Spontaneous Generation" and the implication that that was what the evolutionists thought. Obviously not all Christians are that gung-ho. However, personally I never understood why the Judeo-Christian religion cluster was so exclusivist, if you will. The idea of "if you don't like my religion then you deserve eternal torment" doesn't make a lot of sense. If there IS a higher power of humanity that created the human race and is supposed to be perfect, omniscient and what-have-you, then (H)he at least shouldn't be jealous as is mentioned somewhere in there.
I'm agnostic, myself. There probably is some deity, or what we'd call a deity, out there, but they probably didn't have any part in creating the human race. It's simple probability - the universe is big enough to generate an environment that can support highly advanced creatures in at least one place, and probably more. I probably won't ever be atheist because of the way I was raised, but that's just me.
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If you're going to ask for evidence that the Bible is wrong but then say "Well, God should be allowed to change his mind," then you're outright saying that you're not really willing to accept contradictory evidence if you're just going to respond that way to anything presented. At any rate, fire away at me with whatever questions you have. |
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Also, a video worth watching (a long talk given by Krauss about cosmology and the nature of our universe -- lots of really interesting points). It's about an hour long, but well worth the watch.
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At a fundamental level, many living creatures have brains. Sure, they're not as complex as ours in many cases, but they have brains none the less and experience some level of cognition. And if we agree with modern neuroscience in that our brains = our minds, then why would we travel to a magical place when we die and not other animals? The standard answer I usually get is similar to Deepak's: that humans, unlike other animals, have a type of mind/body duality in that we have a spirit or non physical self which in turn is part of/controls the physical self, and this allows us to be transported to the afterlife after death and not other animals. Putting aside the fact there's no evidence for this/it cannot be proven/other assorted holes: At what point in evolutionary history did living creates get infused with souls/non physical entities and why? At which point was there a significant enough level of cognition to merit a soul and an afterlife and why was it that the sapiens that came before these lucky individuals did not have souls and did not have an opportunity to experience heaven? That seems pretty damn trivial to me. Quote:
I had a similar, scary experience once; I fainted and stopped breathing. My mom is a nurse and was there and apparently I was turning blue and had no discernible pulse. She was about to call 911 but I started breathing again on my own. Anyway, the only thing I remember is my vision starting to blur and tunnel out, and then 'appearing' on the floor looking up. The two events were entirely contiguous. There was nothing in between and no perception of blackness or otherwise. Just literally one event, and then the next. I had no perception or time or existence in between. It was weird. I expect that when I die the same will happen. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised ;D But really, what is the physiological difference between death and what happened to me other than that in death, the effect is sustained indefinitely? Having something else happen is entirely contingent on the existence of 'souls' and supernatural factors. (Some people experience trippy dreams when they pass out, but there's a physiological reason for that too).
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