TWG XLV Postgame

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

oh and also, fojar you claimed to me that you had never spoken to fish, but I couldn't catch you on this lie, which I found rather ironic.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attrition_warfare

Except we wouldn't be trading humans for wolves at all. We'd be giving them both access to the same information, and under normal circumstances and the impressions that past mystery games have given, we assumed the wolves would care more about powerful blue roles than other humans do.

Also double kill ftl.

[Kefit]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

kefit was largely correct about the information, the benefits clearly would have outweighed the risks, even though this might not have seemed clearcut at the time (especially since people didn't know that both dbp and stoic would be going down). I wasn't about to say anything though... figured I'd let him sink his own ship by acting differently from other people.

Heh, good play here. I didn't expect everyone in this game to be so moronic.

Granted, if everyone weren't moronic, I wouldn't have stood a chance - someone would have pulled the "it's Kefit and there is no way that he would ever be alive and green on the last day" card and gotten me lynched at some point or another.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

Not to bruise egos or be the bearer of bad news, but conservative estimates put the number of people that have played with you or seriously read a game with you in it at 8 and we aren't exactly the brightest collective bunch of TWGers that FFR has ever seen, no offense to the rest of you/us.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

It was funny too, because everything kefit was saying was exactly the kind of **** that humans did every time we played back in the old days... but no one knew that (except me, I guess) and so he stuck out when he probably shouldn't have.

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

wtf y u change back

I'm so making you Yukari every time we play this from now on. :(

[Kefit]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

along with a few "confirmed" greens.

Stop beating around the bush.

These "confirmed greens" sent you their PM info. Hence why my queries as to how anyone in this game could be confirmed anything were ignored. Because you were blatantly breaking the rules and you knew it.

And you know what? Even with massive rules breaking, you still lost! My god, you guys are such ****tards.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

Oh, now I recall, you were there with us sorting information, silly me. Then you must recall that no one ever "sent [anyone] their PM info". Logical deductions were made based on the use of a single word that seemed more than coincidental, and kilga's response confirmed the observation slightly more. These people were not trusted with anything at all but were essentially last to be suspected if it came down to it. Thanks for playing though, I'm done.

[Kefit]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

RedRumForTheRich: ooo stoic responded
RedRumForTheRich: and that's a lie.

RedRumForTheRich (6:51:46 PM): What's your role?
6:51:28 PM): human
RedRumForTheRich (6:52:32 PM): you're sure?
(6:52:17 PM): 100%
6:53:41 PM): nvm
(6:53:42 PM): i lied
(6:53:50 PM): my pm said normal human
RedRumForTheRich: ****ed with font
RedRumForTheRich: to protect said person

Thanks for playing. Please insert three credits to try again.

Look, I know that circumstances surrounding the PM mess this game were difficult for everyone involved. However, now that the game is over, I expect you to have the balls to say outright that yes, you did have confirmed humans solely from PM ******ry. I'm not trying to get you burned at the stake or anything

On a side note, the Wolf Hoarder is a hilariously badly broken role and I hope to never see it in another TWG again.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

Here's the deal, I don't enjoy hurt feelings either, so I'll tell you exactly what happened and we can call it a miracle of god for all I care. A few completely separate and non-connected people used the same phrase while chatting N1 about their role. Completely unprompted, multiple people used the phrase "normal human". No copy/paste, no font transfer from the PM from Kilga, and no intent to perform whatever consists of "PM ******ry". If kilga's PM had said: "you are human" (in its entirety) then no one would have been set off when a person responds with "I'm human". It's typical terminology for any (semi)standard TWG. When 3 people all respond using the specific adjective "normal", the red flags are set off. There was no intent by either side to abuse the game, it was merely a misfortune that they all so unknowingly used the same adjective (as in their PM I assume). We observed the coincidence, mentioned it to kilga, and went from there. These people were given no extra information and none of their fates (pertaining to the alliance) were changed because of what had happened (excluding people being removed, etc). Anything actually gained eventually became entirely null when DBP and I unexpectedly quad died in the same night.

That's pretty much what happened. Call it what you like.

Also, bring your crazy "old-school-TWG" self to the next game if you're not too busy. We can always use active people who are willing to speak their ideas no matter how information-sharingly terrible they are. ^_^

[Kefit]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

Oh hey, you do have some balls afterall!

Don't expect me to play this game again for a while though. The only reason I entered this one was because it was Touhou themed. At the very least, you won't see me play again until after I finish up with the school quarter.

[FishFishRevolution]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

doesnt mattah

i'll be skipping the next game, hope it's a boring one.

HONEYMOON

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

Also, bring your crazy "old-school-TWG" self to the next game if you're not too busy. We can always use active people who are willing to speak their ideas no matter how information-sharingly terrible they are. ^_^

In all fairness, no matter how dumb you think info sharing is, it couldn't possibly have any worse of a result than what you guys accomplished by hoarding it in this game.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

also, I don't know if it's been said yet but flaw's fake was absolutely brilliant.

and while you can say "oh the wolves won even though the humans knew everything by night two, even though fish got himself killed for absolutely no reason, even though the only reason mamimi died was because she drew a 1/4 chance of being seered", the truth is that we had some luck on our side as well. Jurs versus manticore on the second to last day was a knife in box, wasn't it? (or did jurs have a phantom?). And there was a very decent 50% chance that myself or manticore would have been hit when roundbox was lynched. Plus flaw got rioting removed for us, stella got greedy and gloated about her role to mamimi, and the pm thing backfired and got a couple of people removed.

All in all, it's a game I'd love to play again, with a different or modified set of roles. It promoted some creativity, especially early on.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

I assumed Roundbox's vote was a joke because he placed it at 12:01. a minute after the deadline.

Also with the whole roundbox effect thing, As long as I didn't die to it, we had the game won. I'd have wolved either jwc or sert, and won the next day cause both had a phantom.

What i didn't want happening was to have roundbox make up with sert, get one of us lynched, and then we'd have no way of killing roundbox without getting killed ourselves.