TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

[HansSky]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

Also in that post by Hans, he says something or other that makes him think Blah and I couldn't be wolves... then goes on later to say that 2/3 of the wolves are from Blah/me/Talisman.

More contradiction.

How you couldn't be wolves alone.

Now for real, sleep.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

So its either me/talisman or blah/talisman?

what is this "alone" thing? obviously the wolves aren't alone... they have 2 others to work with. And now you're using "sleep" as an excuse to run away from a conversation that you're losing on all fronts.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

You should post that convo. Besides, if you're talking to tps, and you tell him to reference a post you made earlier, it just seems like you would also reference that post by kilga as well, even if you had talked about it. I dunno, I'm not going to deny that I could be reading too far into this, but that literally jumped off the page when I read that.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

Not particularly, no, considering the post he referenced was one of his own. I chalk it up to not wanting to repeat oneself.

Anyway, the thing about your groups of three strategy is that it isn't necessarily applicable in this case. Remember, only one wolf knows who any of the others are. Sure, the more wolves alive the better for each since they can win the game faster, but given the presence of the interrogator they're better off not knowing who each other are. I would bet money on the two non-masters not knowing each other, meaning a group of three with two members that seem detatched from each other as certainly possible. The master may not even want to hint at the regulars about not voting for certain people, especially since given the question set has changed at least one behind closed doors so they don't even know what you're looking for anymore.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

For whoever requested the conversation:

NotSoFarOff (7:40:57 PM): PM I sent to Tps
NotSoFarOff (7:41:09 PM): I'll probably post it before today is over
NotSoFarOff wants to directly connect (7:41:41 PM).
NotSoFarOff cancels request; no connection was made. (Note: For best results, you and your buddy should use the latest version of AIM.) (7:42:14 PM).
NotSoFarOff (7:42:48 PM): meh
NotSoFarOff (7:42:51 PM): tell me when you get back

As it turns out, I forgot to get back to him. <_<

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

I would bet more money that you're wrong... if not by typing style alone (even behind fake sns), it can't be that hard to figure out who the other wolves are. And by now I'm sure the wolves have asked their master "is it ok if I vote X?" and have gotten a pretty decent idea of who the others are.

ps about the post he referenced: yes that was his own. But I was referring to when he cited me talking about blah. If I've got the post you're replying to correct.

pps all of this you = kilga

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

are you kidding? that's the conversation?

According to hans you guys "talked" about it before you posted... yet nowhere in there is there any mention of the people you were attacking getting wolfed or that you even received his pm.

Plus, why is he sending you copies of a pm he sent, as I'm guessing, only to tps?

edit: also, this conversation happened after you posted, earlier today. Either that or during the night. Hans was referring to one from before your first post. Regardless, I think the above question is FAR more important. And just to put this out there... was anyone else contacted by hans to share a copy of his pm? Did anyone else receive this pm?

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

You're assuming the wolves are using said anonymous names to actually converse in depth. They may very well not be, which would be a perfect explanation of your inability to find many groups of three. With the only blue present being a glorified psychic, the lack of information would combine very well with a lack of connections for the wolf team, as has been demonstrated through various players' frustration about lack of information and, again, your inability to find maybe groupings.

On the subject of convos, there was also this from the other night, before any talk of a Tps PM. I guess Hans was referencing to it as well in his posts.

NotSoFarOff (10:54:40 PM): Okay

Auto response from bjstrattonIM (10:54:40 PM): Not here.

And no, telling me I am here is not going to magically make me stop not being here.

NotSoFarOff (10:54:42 PM): So TWG
NotSoFarOff (10:54:52 PM): **** YOU ****** AND YOUR IDLENESS
bjstrattonIM (10:55:23 PM): Whutchu need?
NotSoFarOff (10:55:42 PM): o hai
NotSoFarOff (11:01:11 PM): Do you feel that we have lynched a wolf yet?
bjstrattonIM (11:02:09 PM): I don't think Neo was one.
bjstrattonIM (11:02:39 PM): I wouldn't be surprised if Fish was the master, although the fact that the pattern of kills hasn't changed makes me think twice about it.
NotSoFarOff (11:03:18 PM): Plus the fact that we almost never lynch a wolf day 1...let alone the MW...
NotSoFarOff (11:03:26 PM): That's too much to consider, for me.
bjstrattonIM (11:03:42 PM): Well.
bjstrattonIM (11:04:03 PM): Statistically, all past Day 1 results have no bearing on this one.
NotSoFarOff (11:04:16 PM): I guess
NotSoFarOff (11:04:26 PM): But you can't ignore it, either.
bjstrattonIM (11:04:50 PM): Given my probability class this semester, I very much can. >_>
bjstrattonIM (11:05:14 PM): Same as I can ignore five successive 6 rolls on a die when guessing what the next roll will be.
NotSoFarOff (11:05:35 PM): uh
NotSoFarOff (11:05:38 PM): uh
NotSoFarOff (11:05:50 PM): We have two more days before game over if we don't lynch a wolf.
NotSoFarOff (11:05:56 PM): I think that's right
NotSoFarOff (11:06:07 PM): yeah 2
NotSoFarOff (11:06:12 PM): Today and tomorrow
bjstrattonIM (11:06:18 PM): Given people I'm high on keep getting wolfed, I'm starting to wonder if I should go in the opposite direction.
bjstrattonIM (11:06:28 PM): Well, Guido and iggy.
NotSoFarOff (11:06:46 PM): You were suspicious of them?
bjstrattonIM (11:06:54 PM): Yeah.
bjstrattonIM (11:07:07 PM): In Day 1 voting, my guesses other than Fish were Neo and Guido.
NotSoFarOff (11:07:12 PM): I was almost sure they were human. >_>
bjstrattonIM (11:07:18 PM): And then in the list I made yesterday, I put iggy at the top.
bjstrattonIM (11:07:46 PM): So maybe I have been going in the wrong direction the whole time.
NotSoFarOff (11:07:50 PM): I still think that all of the wolves are alive
NotSoFarOff (11:07:57 PM): But check this for a second
bjstrattonIM (11:08:00 PM): So now
bjstrattonIM (11:08:00 PM): o
bjstrattonIM (11:08:01 PM): k
NotSoFarOff (11:08:16 PM): Yesterday and the day before tass was all for talisman being a wolf, right?
bjstrattonIM (11:08:22 PM): Yeah.
NotSoFarOff (11:08:50 PM):
IMO, Hans/Kilga then Afro then Jurs then Tasuke then Talisman then Blah then TPS.
NotSoFarOff (11:09:03 PM): down there 5th in his suspicion list he posted today
bjstrattonIM (11:09:19 PM): Yeah, he explained that in his previous post.
bjstrattonIM (11:09:31 PM): BUT... it makes me look away from Talisman. Considering we discussed it late last night, it would seem to be counter-productive to then kill Iggy, especially when we considering the angel (I believe) and considering the suspicion already on him.
NotSoFarOff (11:09:57 PM): meh I missed that
NotSoFarOff (11:12:05 PM): I don't know what to do
NotSoFarOff (11:12:34 PM): I think the wolves are getting off really easy right now, and I'm not sure where to go
bjstrattonIM (11:13:01 PM): Right now, I'm thinking about Afro.
NotSoFarOff (11:13:15 PM): I forgot about him
bjstrattonIM (11:13:28 PM): I was suspicious of him before but recently not so much
NotSoFarOff (11:14:07 PM): He's usually a pretty productive human, even if I think the crap he says is retarded.
NotSoFarOff (11:18:46 PM): Who is #1 on your list, afro?
bjstrattonIM (11:19:54 PM): It was iggy before.
bjstrattonIM (11:19:58 PM): Now it'd probably be Afro.
NotSoFarOff (11:21:47 PM): do you think it's possible that tass/blah blah/talis talis/tass could be wolves together
bjstrattonIM (11:23:49 PM): I could see it happening.
NotSoFarOff (11:24:22 PM): I think too much **** is flying by for that not to be true
NotSoFarOff (11:24:30 PM): or I'm just suspicious of everyone
bjstrattonIM (11:24:45 PM): :<
NotSoFarOff (11:25:05 PM): besides
NotSoFarOff (11:25:15 PM): when's the last time tass and blah agreed with each other
bjstrattonIM (11:25:31 PM): Iunno.
NotSoFarOff (11:25:36 PM): and they were all cute in the convo tass posted
NotSoFarOff (11:30:34 PM): oaky
NotSoFarOff (11:30:41 PM): people I'm not suspicious of
NotSoFarOff (11:30:49 PM): you
NotSoFarOff (11:30:51 PM): tps
NotSoFarOff (11:30:55 PM): jurs
NotSoFarOff (11:31:00 PM): tasuke
NotSoFarOff (11:31:14 PM): Which leaves tass, talis, blah, and afro.
NotSoFarOff (11:31:48 PM): I really think it's 2/3 and afro.
bjstrattonIM (11:32:00 PM): Afro would not at all surprise me.
NotSoFarOff (11:32:01 PM): Maybe.
NotSoFarOff (11:33:17 PM): I don't think Tasuke has shown enough of his face to be an active part of this game..
NotSoFarOff (11:33:42 PM): If he were a wolf, I would think he'd be more active.
NotSoFarOff (11:34:28 PM): Jurs, I'm on the fence, falling to the human side.
bjstrattonIM (11:34:36 PM): That's partly why I'm not suspicious of Tasuke myself.
bjstrattonIM (11:34:56 PM): He's also been really stupid, I can't imagine a wolf partner wouldn't be feeding him things to say.
NotSoFarOff (11:35:44 PM): If you were a wolf, I'd doubt you'd associate yourself with the night kills.
bjstrattonIM (11:39:03 PM): I meant stupid in general.
bjstrattonIM (11:39:15 PM): Or you mean me?
NotSoFarOff (11:39:23 PM): You.
NotSoFarOff (11:39:33 PM): loli
bjstrattonIM (11:42:44 PM): I suppose.
bjstrattonIM (11:42:50 PM): I'm still mad that I keep being wrong though. >_>
NotSoFarOff (11:43:53 PM): Think about my suspicions
NotSoFarOff (11:43:56 PM): I gtg
NotSoFarOff (11:44:01 PM): Later.

And before you point out that I talk about Tasuke being fed info from wolf partners being contradictory to my ideas about wolf isolation, he's a special case. I don't expect anyone else in this game right now to need that kind of assistance.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

Also, I highly doubt any sort of "can I vote for X?" conversation has been necessary. Look at how spread out voting was the first two days. It wouldn't be hard at all for a wolf to slip in a vote for someone who has no votes on them while making up a reason they find the target to be suspicious while not putting the target in any real danger.

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

now that does clarify alot... and makes me ease off a bit. unless it's just a really good fake or something.

I'm still struck by the fact that he came to you with that pm he sent to tps before posting it.

what do you think of hans, kilga?

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

Tass, Hans's "sleep" isn't an excuse. His parents make him go to bed at like 11. It was 11:30.

Last night Hans said that maybe all three of you (tass, talisman, blah) are wolves. I wouldn't rule it out, but I said it wasn't likely. That's not even fair, that I think even the host would switch one of them. I'm not as much suspicious of blah, talisman is ehhh, Tass is eh. I really haven't looked into the posts as much because I have stuff to do until like this Saturday, which is why i haven't been posting a lot. I'm out every day doing something because I have to go somewhere on Friday.

[mead1]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

About 6 hours to go.

Votes:
Talisman (1): Hans

I will attempt to be back to update this periodically.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

Jurs and Tasuke... if EITHER of you gets a phantom today (and are human), the game is just about over. We'd need to waste ANOTHER day lynching you, and would have to hope that we pegged a wolf today, or the game would be over.

This inactivity is the single biggest reason why we're likely going to lose this game.

And Jurs... funny... you're defending Hans again. Last time you defended him, you were a wolf... no?

[talisman]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

oh wtf it ends today.

ugh will vote later. That convo shook quite a bit of my certainty about a connectiong between hans and kilga. Some key issues still need to be addressed though: for example why hans went to kilga with his pm, why hans trusts kilga so much, and why hans pm'd it in the first place instead of just posting it. Plus there's a huge factor that hans and kilga being together does seem like it might be too good to be true.

Other possibilities involve weird combinations of tass and blah either together or individually with people that they've been fairly harsh on. And I'll grant kilga his point that it's still possible the wolves don't have any good idea who each other are... but by now I can't help feeling that that is fairly unlikely.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

And Jurs... funny... you're defending Hans again. Last time you defended him, you were a wolf... no?

Um I only said that because he didn't have time to tell you why he had to go, and you were mocking him for using the "excuse" of having to sleep. Get over yourself.