TWG XXIX Crack Dens and Avenging Angels

[Tasselfoot]

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Also Iggy... I'll be honest with you. I don't fully read your posts. And when I do, I tend to not remember what you say. Why? Because I just don't consider you a higher tier player (yet), and therefore don't consider what you say as important.

Fish on the other hand, I take note of what he says.

So... again, honestly, I had no idea at all that you attacked the same people as Fish on day 1. I did know all about your weak evidence attack that you IMed me about... and I found it to be rather retarded, and my reply to it in the thread was to kinda joke about it and say that Talisman sucks, more or less.

[talisman]

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How I see it, Wilkin was probably the least suspicious of everyone here, so clearly this attack was calculated. This makes me almost positive that we have at least one top player as a wolf. Tass/blah/talisman.

Hopefully we can guide off of that for a lynch today, instead of having a 17-way KiB.

1. Wtf... as tass said:

Can someone explain to me why Wilkin was the most human? I mean, I didn't suspect him or anything... but I also didn't see him on a tier above the rest.

2. Interesting, that's two days in a row now where person you think is most human has been wolfed.

3. The last bit... are you kidding me? "Hey guys uh... it's gotta be one of tass/talis/blah. Let's lynch them k? Then I'll go ahead and wolf another mid-low tier player." And how the hell are you "almost positive"? That post was the single most wolfy post I think I've read in the entirety of twg.

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I won't vote now but day's vote will probably be one or the other.

Sounds familiar.

Talisman: 64 (mentions fish helping him with questions, but thinks he's still suspicious, but later calls me human because I helped with questions in post 148. Tass agreed with this also in post 151)

The suspiciousness had nothing to do with the fact that fish and I had discussed questions... you've made a false causal link. The suspiciousness mainly stemmed from:

talisman seals the deal with some random convo he has with fish.

"Random"? Did you read it? How can that not be considered sketchy? I begin with the standard-only-semi-serious "so are you a wolf?" and instead of the standard reply "no, you a wolf?" or some variation I got "no... and because you ask that you must be human so we're free now to work together". Definitely struck me as weird, and definitely seemed to me like fish was trying to get on my good side or something. Why wolf me if you can manipulate me? That was my thinking then... and hence my vote.

Iggy you've risen a bit on my suspicion list these last two posts... and not just because I'm the one you're going after. Also because those posts sound a wee bit deliberate in how they set you up for your future voting.

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WTF was that voting yesterday? Absolutely pitiful. We almost had a six way tie there for a while. 2.01 votes should NOT lynch someone on day two. And for that matter, 3 votes probably shouldn't lynch someone on day one either. I'm not saying everyone should start bandwagonning... but stop with this random ass safety vote nonsense. The "I want to vote for jurs but I'm voting for iggy instead" stuff. (Although in retrospect kilga that might have been a good vote).

Also, I'm going to put this out there, because I gave blah the opportunity to not let yesterday's vote be a complete waste:

mastr414 (4:59:42 PM): solid saving vote
mastr414 (4:59:49 PM): it sohudl've read liek this
stressreliefball (4:59:51 PM): gotta do what I gotta do
mastr414 (4:59:52 PM): vote: gamepro
mastr414 (4:59:55 PM): evidence: he has a phantom
mastr414 (4:59:58 PM):
stressreliefball (5:00:02 PM): yeah dude
stressreliefball (5:00:10 PM): if you switch to hans I'll switch back
stressreliefball (5:00:15 PM): I really don't think gamepro is a wolf
mastr414 (5:00:22 PM): hmmm
mastr414 (5:00:37 PM): nah, let gamepro die
mastr414 (5:00:42 PM): when will we ever actually know about him
stressreliefball (5:00:49 PM): ugh
stressreliefball (5:02:15 PM): waste of day
mastr414 (5:02:24 PM): yup

and finally

wilkin... not surprising at all, although frankly I thought it would be iggy this time. Now it seems like they've set their pattern and don't want to break it.

[MiniNeo]

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K em.... fsck. I think that is one game ban for me.

Tass told me to put a safety vote on TPS, so I did.

I am sorry for missing the day 2 voting. Really.

[MiniNeo]

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Actually, screw safety voting TPS, I am going to put it on Jurs. With the reason of inactivity, like everyone else stated.

Before you call me a hypocrite: I don't think I am inactive, it is just stupidity (A LOT A FSCK LOT OF THEM) that got me 2 phantoms.

[Kilgamayan]

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I'd also like to point out that both talisman and tass said that fish was suspicious of fish because he was accusing people with weak logic... I have done the same (even going after every single person.) and nothing has been said.

Not entirely true, I believe I called you on drilling Neo.

[Kilgamayan]

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Woo double post. It's almost 3:30 and reading is hard. x(

Lastly, and while this will almost certainly not count for anything... I just got home now from being on the train from Philly to NYC. Aka... I wasn't around when the day came back up. I was around from 6pm until I left (~9:20) and did talk to Mead and TPS during that time.

I don't know what relevance you think would hold to the point where you would find it worth posting. As a human, it would certainly give you ample opportunity to come up with an online time analysis (which I am surprised you haven't provided given the day was less than 4 hours long), and as a wolf it would certainly give you ample time to send in suggestions or a kill. Why bother even bringing it up?

Goddamn, now I know why I decided to be an inactive sack of crap way back when. I'm actually trying this time and now everyone is suspicious except for the guy who just died. D:

[Kilgamayan]

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Third post because I can.

Here's a list of who's remaining (minus me) in order, from top to bottom, of who I'm suspicious of at this point in time.

Iggy
Hans
Talisman
Jursey
Tasselfoot
Afro
MiniNeo
blah
Tasuke
TPS

I'm open to the idea that Fish was the Master but I very highly doubt Vash/Gamepro was.

[HansSky]

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2. Interesting, that's two days in a row now where person you think is most human has been wolfed.

3. The last bit... are you kidding me? "Hey guys uh... it's gotta be one of tass/talis/blah. Let's lynch them k? Then I'll go ahead and wolf another mid-low tier player." And how the hell are you "almost positive"? That post was the single most wolfy post I think I've read in the entirety of twg.

2. That's right, because the first thing I want to do as a wolf is go around and take a poll of somebody's humanity and then wolf them. And then AFTERWARDS I'm going to throw myself in the spotlight by implicating top teir players. Game winning strategy, let me tell you.

3. These last two kills have been very SMART kills considering that both of the players have been the least suspicious. Therefore it would have to implicate a higher level player as not just a wolf, but it's pretty likely that they would be the master wolf. Of course, if I were tass/talis/blah, and I were just a wolf, I would most definitely do the fake SN bit just to get my opinion across. So in that case, I suppose it doesn't really matter if they're the MW or not.

And no, talisman, contrary to what you would like to think, I am not the only one who feels this way.

[Tasselfoot]

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I still don't understand how Guido/Wilkin were the 2 least suspicious people. Nobody has explained this, but someone else did verify that I'm not alone in wondering why others think this.

[talisman]

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That's right, because the first thing I want to do as a wolf is go around and take a poll of somebody's humanity and then wolf them.

These last two kills have been very SMART kills considering that both of the players have been the least suspicious.

So which is it, smart or dumb to kill the most human? Note that I never said you "took a poll" or implied that you were asking other people their opinions, just that the people YOU thought were most human seemed to be getting wolfed.

You have a point about the obviousness of the post... but given the wolfings I don't know if that can't just be chalked up to reverse psych as well.

[Afrobean]

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Hey Tass, I know you said you voted me on Talisman's reasoning, but what was it exactly? I don't remember it, I have no idea where it was posted, and I'd like to hear it from you, rather than from what Talisman said.

[JurseyRider734]

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So which is it, smart or dumb to kill the most human? Note that I never said you "took a poll" or implied that you were asking other people their opinions, just that the people YOU thought were most human seemed to be getting wolfed.

You have a point about the obviousness of the post... but given the wolfings I don't know if that can't just be chalked up to reverse psych as well.

Well obviously Hans's is trying to say that the wolves would want to kill the people without suspicion on them so all of the people with suspicion on them would be left and everyone would be like "oh who is it, there's so many people i'm suspicious of", and then it would give the wolves an advantage because they could easily sway votes off of them. So I guess that would mean he says it's smart.

And uh, I'm with tass on the whole "why Guido and wilkin were so human". Probably because I haven't really been able to keep up with the game so far, so I don't really know what happened. I wouldn't mind being filled in on that either.

[Tasselfoot]

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Afro: see posts 148 and 194.

[Afrobean]

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First of all, thanks for doing what I asked you not to do. I wanted to hear from you, in your words, why you voted me.

Second, post 194 explains nothing of your vote on me. All you say is that it was rushed.

Third, you think I'm a wolf because I didn't jump all over you? Is that it? How does that make any sense. It's been a while since I did that, and I never did it without any reason. This game, there was nothing worth jumping all over you about, so I didn't.

And if I had BS'd a reason to jump all over you, you'd have surely gotten me lynched because of that. What am I supposed to do?

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if you voted me for a justifiable reason. I'm just mad that someone who commands as much respect as you would do something such as that. In fact, I've got half a mind to vote for you right now. I won't do it though, because like I said before, I'm quite sure that you're not a wolf.

Oh and by the way, if you were going to look up the post numbers, you might as well have quoted the relevent parts.

[Tasselfoot]

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Sue me. I'm lazy. And there was nothing new for me to add that wasn't already said in those 2 posts.

BUT... as I said already, it was Talisman's reasoning for why I voted you. But before that AND now since that, it has been talisman that I've looked at as suspect #1. So, it most likely was a poor vote on you, for more than just not giving my own reasoning, but for using Talisman's.




Another thing that I brought up to Blah:

mastr414: i'm juts getting real frustrated
TasselFoot: that 2nd phantom on mini is huge.
mastr414: yeah
TasselFoot: i almost want to waste the day and lynch him because of it.
mastr414: i don't think we should
mastr414: because he's like definately human
mastr414: so its not any better lynching him now then him being ****ing us over at the end
mastr414: rightG?
TasselFoot: i've thought about it. not sure either way. if he survives to the "final" day, its an auto-gg wolves win.
mastr414: but its just losing that day
mastr414: vs this day
TasselFoot: right.
TasselFoot: but that day is more important.
TasselFoot: higher % of wolves to total number of players
mastr414: hmm
mastr414: good point actually
TasselFoot: i've been known to make a few.
mastr414: true
mastr414: but i'm tellin you, i know i've harped on him every day
mastr414: but its jstu seeming more and more likely talisman
TasselFoot: i know. like i just posted, i would have voted him yesterday, no question... if not for that one post.
mastr414: ya
TasselFoot: i'm pissed at how much the arcade has been down the past 24 hours
TasselFoot: also... why are your posts so short and retarded?
mastr414: because i'm very bitter
mastr414: and angry
mastr414: because i'm completely confused
TasselFoot: not a good reason.
mastr414: and i have trhis feeling talisman is a wolf
mastr414: and i have no true justification
mastr414: and i've tried each day
mastr414: to no avail
mastr414: and more and more people keep getting lynched
mastr414: that i'm so sure wern't wolves
TasselFoot: i did not like the fact that my name was used as justification for getting fish lynched.
TasselFoot: which is why i was/am so sure that at least 1 of the voters on fish is a wolf
mastr414: so who were they?
TasselFoot: jurs, kilga, talis in that order
mastr414: ok
mastr414: and btw, why is that?
TasselFoot: cause you aren't getting killed night 1 anymore. and i like talking with you, and would like to actually know you're on my side on one of those convos.
mastr414: fair enough
mastr414: well our dinner talk was good
mastr414: felt natural
mastr414: its really the main reason
mastr414: i'm not all OMG tass coudl be a wolf
TasselFoot: also neither of us brought up the potential wolfishness of the other. but, yea. was a decent enough talk.


I edited out 1 line that was relavent towards future games only, but is future game strategy that I don't want to post. Other than that, it is unedited. Thoughts on the Mini lynching? And thoughts on Talisman?