TWG V: Red Alert! (Human Day 4 Victory?)

[User6773]

For the record:

Snapps is a total freaking idiot. Not necessarily a wolf. At the very least, let him go for tonight and see what happens.

I know I'm putting myself on the chopping block by rushing to the defense of a condemned man, but look at him. He's an idiot. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing, and he's never really gotten the chance to play before.

If you're going to use the stupid role argument to nail him remember that he called them "special roles" earlier. Which means that a role need not be special; i.e. the role of human.

I'm not defending idiocy. I'm defending not lynching on little evidence.

Will someone please respond to my earlier post about Cypher? I feel like the wolves are trying to keep conversation locked on Snapps here.

[Tasselfoot]

current bandwagon voting guide, circa 2004:

Snapps - LD, moogy, qreepy, sleepless (4)
alain - afro (1)
evilbutterfly - alain (1)
cypher - chardish (1)
roopert - evilbutterfly (1)
moogy - guido (1)
qreepy - snapps (1)

not voted yet - blahblah, cypher, roopert, tass, whorli (5)


ps - i'll comment on pages 5-7 tomorrow.

[whorlichan]

Sorry, Qreepy--still not voting, because while I do think Snapps is an idiot, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a wolfish idiot. I have suspicions in other directions, but you and him getting into a vote war (when really, one each way does not make a difference) is pointless. You may want him out, but I want a human victory.

[Moogy]

Just so you know, Guido, I didn't just switch votes randomly. I was involved in a discussion on AIM, and we decided that it would be best to eliminate Snapps today and hold off on Chardish.

[Snapps]

If you're going to use the stupid role argument to nail him remember that he called them "special roles" earlier. Which means that a role need not be special; i.e. the role of human.

Can someone quote me on when I said "special roles"? Because I only remember using the word role as a term for wolf and human, which I explained earlier on what I meant.

[User6773]

Aren't these the special roles?

Conscript - Human
GI - Wolf
Tanya - Master Wolf
Guard Dog - Seer
Flak Trooper - Guardian
Crazy Ivan - Vigilante

[alainbryden]

I think this is a misunderstanding getting out of hand. Snapps hasn't shown any evidence that he's a wolf. He just had a random misuse of a word that didn't mean anything in any context. If anything I'm suspicious of moogy and qreepy for incessantly pressing the matter when there's clearly no substance to it. There are alot of people acting much more suspicious than snapps is right now. I honesly think someone should take another look at evilbutterfly.

EDIT X2 (spelling)
And Chardish, about your comment on Cypher, you're probably right that you and Tass are on the wolfs' top end of the list, but what Cypher said was just an opinion. He felt that Tass was more valuable a player, if he were on the human side, and would be most likely to protected on night one. He was simply answering the question "why not vote off Tass?" He was just expressing the logic that the wolves probably figured Tass was most likely to be guarded and therefore voted for someone else on night one. The same logic could be expanded to include you. They probably decided that it was equally probable that you or Tass would be guarded the first night, which is why they went for someone less important (sorry Kefit). I don't think there's any guilt in what Cypher said.

[lightdarkness]

Changing my vote to Cypher.

His comment regarding the Guarding of Tass, and that being good for the wolves set something off on my Wolfdar.

[evilbutterfly]

If anything I'm suspicious of moogy and qreepy for incessantly pressing the matter when there's clearly no substance to it.

I was thinking that too, kinda, but I didn't want to say anything. Partly because last game I kept thinking Qreepy was a wolf but he wasn't, so I think maybe he just has a habit of doing things that seem wolfy to me.

However, I kinda agree with Moogy's statements, like not being able to trust Tass and his quick attack of Chardish. Not trusting Tass isn't a wolfy idea, it's a human one, I think. I mean, Tass wins every game, so until we know FOR SURE that he's a human, we can't trust him as one. And until we get the seer to scan around some and find people to trust, we can't know who is a wolf and who isn't.

And Chardish...I dunno. Maybe it's just how he plays, being so aggressive, or maybe he's trying to focus us on the wrong thing because he's a wolf. I'm wary of coming out strong against anybody (especially the biggies like him) because I'd instantly be thought a wolf, just like Moogy was.

Hence, for now, my vote stays the same. I need to see how people focus now that everyone seems agreed that Snapps was just being stupid because it's his first game (something I can definitly sympathize with :P). So, now that one possible votee is fading from the picture, I'll see how people accuse and react in the coming day.

Oh, having just said that, I think that's what Snapps meant when he said he was probing for info (or however he worded it). I guess he figured he'd vote for Qreepy to see how he would react, and Qreepy's actions (which, as alain said, are kinda suspicious) only confirmed Snapps action in voting for him. Looking back, it doesn't seem wrong (even though I believe earlier I directly stated that it was XD).

[alainbryden]

I like everything you said evilbutterfly. Very objective, uncertain*, and seemingly begging for my acceptance - spoken like a true wolf! hehe - you're not off the hook with me yet ; ) And still in all seriousness, I agree with everything you said.

*I beleive you said either "kinda", "maybe" or "dunno" 8 times - Just to poke fun

[QreepyBORIS]

Currently in my crosshairs (though I speak proverbially, not literally): Snapps, Cypher, Chardish.

I don't need to provide reasoning for Cypher and Chardish, cause I'm not voting for them. ;D

You might be wondering why Moogy and I share similar views.

It's basically a coincidence.


Though I did conspire, one might say, with him about changing his vote. We contacted each other because our similarites in view were brought forth, though. We did not contact eachother to make our views the same.

I don't think anyone accused us of that, I just wanted that in the open.

And by default, Moogy is half on my list, simply because he contacted me. So are some other people, also by default.

EDIT TO GIVE THIS DAMN POST A TOPIC AND NOT MAKE IT SOLELY PROPOGANDA: Evil/alain, once again, if you ever feel suspicious, feel free (actually I encourage it) to contact me on AIM. I'm always online. All the time. If you want things cleared up, well, do that.

Also, since although I only have one vote against me, everyone seems to have me in the back of their minds, I shall reiterate: The seer is encouraged to seer me. Always. Of course, this can only be done at night, and it's day, so it's not like that's a terrible help. At least this game, the seer isn't dead yet . Well, that's just a guess. But it's very unlikely that the seer is dead already.

So, if you have suspicions, you know what you doing.

[evilbutterfly]

Uncertainty because, well, I'm uncertain. I can't really read people too well, especially having not done this before (I watched the last game, but I must say it's quite different when you're actually in the game). Hopefully I'll get better before the end.

And about me "begging for your acceptance." Well, if you knew me personally, you'd know that I am really bothered when people don't believe me. I've said it before on FFR (quite a while back, on several occasions) that I'm an extremely honest person and that I'm very hurt when people don't trust me. In real life, when people accuse me of lying, I act very guilty (ya know, like, kinda grinning/laughing and saying I'm innocent). People who don't know me very well assume this means I'm guilty, but really I'm just upset about being mistrusted. The same thing applies here, though less (because, really, at least three people here have to be lying).

Anywho, I was just recently reminded that I still have no idea why Kefit died, and more importantly, who would kill him. Knowing the motive makes it easier to find a criminal, so I think we should look into that a lil more than just point fingers at people. I believe Tass mentioned that maybe Kefit was killed to make Tass look suspicious or something. We need to elaborate on what we have and then maybe link the qualities that would make such a kill with people here.

[alainbryden]

Evil/alain, once again, if you ever feel suspicious, feel free (actually I encourage it) to contact me on AIM. I'm always online. All the time. If you want things cleared up, well, do that.

:O what is this all about. You want us to contact you so that you can convince us not to be suspicious of you? I don't really understand what you're saying here. It seems the kind of thing you would invite in a pm. Or hell, my aims down there, why didn't you just contact me?

And everyone knows it's useless if the seer does see you, because he can't come out any time soon and convince everyone he's the seer, and call you human or wolf or anything and get away with it. Inviting the seer to look at you is like inviting people to hack into your pms if they want proof. That and even then, you could be the Sanya, but even then I don't think you would dare say something so suspicious if you actually were the master wolf.

QueepySuspicionCount ++;
sorry

[QreepyBORIS]

I know from experience that evil doesn't want to look a liar.

He had biohazard hair, and I said I thought it wasn't his hair (as in I thought he googled it, not googled it and claimed it to be his), and he was up my shit about it. Seriously.

[evilbutterfly]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!! That's right! I couldn't remember why people were saying I was lying, and I forgot that it was you! But seriously, that was my hair. Next time we do something crazy like that I'll get a picture of the back AND the front, with my face showing. But yeah, as you obviously recall, I really don't like being mistrusted, haha.