My 3D Stuff

**Psychotik** · 10-28-2010, 12:11 AM

Yeah so I started an intense video games program in college back in early September, basically learning everything on how to make games. Started using 3DS max and stuff. I'll post what I make in this thread. I remind you that I'm taking a video game course, so pretty much everything I do will be in low poly.

After two months of school, this is what I can do.

Some of the stuff were textured in a half-ass way, but yeah. Still learning.

**Mythix** · 10-28-2010, 05:59 AM

Hey mate, it's looking good; abit copypaste materials I think..

But yeah you need ambient occlusion, if you don't know how to make it just yell and I'll write it, or just google it

mental ray renderer
material editor
mental ray base material
shadow/surface = ambient occlusion material
128 pass, distance 20, rest can stand

Go to processing under render settings, and "material override" and simply drag your material in there (disable any glow/lume settings first) and render at high FG and high antialising and you should get a clay render in black/white.

Then comp with multiply in photoshop, it will do WONDERS for your scene, right now everything is floating but other than that I like your scene.

In my class there was a guy who made a post apocalyptic gas station, Falloutstyle, he had some worn out tires, a barrel, fog on the ground and modelled background mountains (really basic just triangles with noise + TS really) and depth of field.

You have a good vantage point, your shadows are smooth and nice, texture comping is good, ground abit blurry but fits.

Except for no ambient your only real problem is the background.. Unless night setting, black background does NOT do justice to any good scene/model unless intended. Better than my first scene.. But I didn't know about AO before a half year ;]

**darkshark** · 10-28-2010, 09:25 AM

You've got quite a ways to go sir. However, after 2 months I'd say you're right on track with where you should be.

**Psychotik** · 10-28-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mythix

mental ray base material

The thing is is that I can't use mental ray stuff because they won't work in the game engine. I make stuff so that they'd work in video games. And yeah, I would've worked a little more on my textures but I was running out of time, so I rushed a little. And yeah, no background for that same reason.

**darkshark** · 10-28-2010, 11:52 AM

I've never seen a gas pump made of stone.

Also, just because something is lowpoly, and designed for a game, doesn't mean it can't look good. It would be worth trying out Mythix's occlusion pass (although that method is too lengthy for my taste)

I dislike game design courses in general. Today's hardware can process some pretty god damn dense meshes, so polycount is beginning to matter less and less, because "good" games are requiring more and more detail, while game design instructors simply preach LOWPOLY LOW POLY LOWWWWWW POLYYYYYY, YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS SPACESHIP OUT OF THREE TRIANGLES, NO MORE.

**Mythix** · 10-28-2010, 04:57 PM

Yeah engines can push a million, just the character alone in god of war was like 170k~, we have game class at my school too and it's tiresome to hear the teacher always say it's "too many polygons", instead of teaching the students how to reach their realistic game boundaries/specific targets.. But my school is crap, pardon my french.

and oh it's for a game, but you can still have AO even if it's a game though- hell, 3DS max 2011 even support AO in viewport, and all sort of lighting things, but should probably be baked into the materials/textures

**Mythix** · 10-28-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by darkshark

LOWPOLY LOW POLY LOWWWWWW POLYYYYYY, YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS SPACESHIP OUT OF THREE TRIANGLES, NO MORE.

**darkshark** · 10-28-2010, 05:16 PM

After only 2 months I wouldn't think that he would have learned texture baking yet, but for games, it's a necessity.

That tie fighter looks like around 3k-5k poly. Is that yours?

**Psychotik** · 10-28-2010, 10:53 PM

Yeah I don't know what texture baking is. Today I had my texture class and we basically try to improve our renders in photoshop as best we can. This is what I got.

Before you say anything, yes, I know it's not perfect and I know what's wrong, so you don't have to say it.

As for the pump made out of stone thing, it's a metal texture, but I guess it kinda does look like stone. And yeah, one of my teachers was exactly LOW POLY LOW POLY, but I know I should add a little more. My game engine teacher says the engine can handle 1 million triangles per screen. I have projects coming up so I'll post what I do later when they're done.

**Mythix** · 10-29-2010, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by darkshark

After only 2 months I wouldn't think that he would have learned texture baking yet, but for games, it's a necessity.

That tie fighter looks like around 3k-5k poly. Is that yours?

Na not mine, just googled it and it's labelled "normal map frenzy" so I guess it's really lowpoly with normal map on it..
I have a spacefighter for a speed modelling class though, but like a year ago xD

**Mythix** · 10-29-2010, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychotik

Yeah I don't know what texture baking is. Today I had my texture class and we basically try to improve our renders in photoshop as best we can. This is what I got.

Before you say anything, yes, I know it's not perfect and I know what's wrong, so you don't have to say it.

As for the pump made out of stone thing, it's a metal texture, but I guess it kinda does look like stone. And yeah, one of my teachers was exactly LOW POLY LOW POLY, but I know I should add a little more. My game engine teacher says the engine can handle 1 million triangles per screen. I have projects coming up so I'll post what I do later when they're done.

It's alot better now, and I will tell you what I find wrong with it regardless of you wanting me to or not :]

Have you tried rendering it with daylight system? Obviously you can't use daylight system for gamescenes but it looks sweet anyways lol =p

But yeah it looks alot better, not completely sure what you have done to it besides adding a background (which makes your gas station fly but better nevertheless)

Lighting is too excessive in the front, too shaded on the back.. Wouldn't really be a problem unless you had a outdoor background.. This is getting along nicely though will be nice to see where you end..

And exactly what is your req for this assignment? What boarders etc do you need

**darkshark** · 10-29-2010, 09:02 AM

Biggest issue is the poor lighting, you have only one source of light, minimum should be 3 sources of light.

This is a pretty good page to learn about how 3 point lighting should work.
http://www.secondpicture.com/tutoria...ds_max_01.html

**Psychotik** · 10-29-2010, 10:02 AM

There actually is three point lighting in that scene. I just did a bad job with it.

**Psychotik** · 11-8-2010, 10:51 PM

I was in a rush to finish. The banner isn't proportional, some stuff stand out to much, just not very good, but I was running out of time. Ugh, deadlines. Really simple render, will do more later.

**darkshark** · 11-8-2010, 11:06 PM

Seems like making a DDR/ITG machine is always one of the first things people make when they learn 3d haha. It was one of my earlier things too. I should make one now that I'm decent.

What the heck is up with the bar shadows?

**Psychotik** · 11-8-2010, 11:23 PM

I dunno.

**darkshark** · 11-9-2010, 01:18 AM

Just for ****s and giggles, go to the "Lights" panel and add a skylight, then press F10 to bring up the render dialogue, go to the advanced lighting tab, and set it as "Light Tracer"
It will take a bit more to render, but I want you to see the difference it makes.

**Psychotik** · 11-9-2010, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkshark

Just for ****s and giggles, go to the "Lights" panel and add a skylight, then press F10 to bring up the render dialogue, go to the advanced lighting tab, and set it as "Light Tracer"
It will take a bit more to render, but I want you to see the difference it makes.

Tried it, it looked terrible. Worked on it in PS a little, fixed the lighting a little, etc.

**darkshark** · 11-9-2010, 12:27 PM

Good job! That's looking a ton better.

Probably should have mentioned you needed to turn off all the other lights in your scene except for that skylight. Oh well.

You should probably get in the habit of lighting your scenes how they'd be lit in real life, ie. lights on the ceiling in common patterns.

I highly suggest working with the VRay rendering engine as well, I know you're doing all this to learn game design, but there's nothing wrong with learning the other side of modeling!

**darkshark** · 11-9-2010, 01:50 PM

Just messing around for a few minutes.

You'd be surprised how a good lighting setup can affect everything about a scene.

10-28-2010, 05:59 AM	#2
Mythix FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,045	Re: My 3D Stuff Hey mate, it's looking good; abit copypaste materials I think.. But yeah you need ambient occlusion, if you don't know how to make it just yell and I'll write it, or just google it mental ray renderer material editor mental ray base material shadow/surface = ambient occlusion material 128 pass, distance 20, rest can stand Go to processing under render settings, and "material override" and simply drag your material in there (disable any glow/lume settings first) and render at high FG and high antialising and you should get a clay render in black/white. Then comp with multiply in photoshop, it will do WONDERS for your scene, right now everything is floating but other than that I like your scene. In my class there was a guy who made a post apocalyptic gas station, Falloutstyle, he had some worn out tires, a barrel, fog on the ground and modelled background mountains (really basic just triangles with noise + TS really) and depth of field. You have a good vantage point, your shadows are smooth and nice, texture comping is good, ground abit blurry but fits. Except for no ambient your only real problem is the background.. Unless night setting, black background does NOT do justice to any good scene/model unless intended. Better than my first scene.. But I didn't know about AO before a half year ;] __________________

10-28-2010, 09:25 AM	#3
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff You've got quite a ways to go sir. However, after 2 months I'd say you're right on track with where you should be.

10-28-2010, 11:52 AM	#5
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff I've never seen a gas pump made of stone. Also, just because something is lowpoly, and designed for a game, doesn't mean it can't look good. It would be worth trying out Mythix's occlusion pass (although that method is too lengthy for my taste) I dislike game design courses in general. Today's hardware can process some pretty god damn dense meshes, so polycount is beginning to matter less and less, because "good" games are requiring more and more detail, while game design instructors simply preach LOWPOLY LOW POLY LOWWWWWW POLYYYYYY, YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS SPACESHIP OUT OF THREE TRIANGLES, NO MORE.

10-28-2010, 04:57 PM	#6
Mythix FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,045	Re: My 3D Stuff Yeah engines can push a million, just the character alone in god of war was like 170k~, we have game class at my school too and it's tiresome to hear the teacher always say it's "too many polygons", instead of teaching the students how to reach their realistic game boundaries/specific targets.. But my school is crap, pardon my french. and oh it's for a game, but you can still have AO even if it's a game though- hell, 3DS max 2011 even support AO in viewport, and all sort of lighting things, but should probably be baked into the materials/textures __________________

10-28-2010, 05:16 PM	#8
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff After only 2 months I wouldn't think that he would have learned texture baking yet, but for games, it's a necessity. That tie fighter looks like around 3k-5k poly. Is that yours?

10-29-2010, 09:02 AM	#12
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff Biggest issue is the poor lighting, you have only one source of light, minimum should be 3 sources of light. This is a pretty good page to learn about how 3 point lighting should work. http://www.secondpicture.com/tutoria...ds_max_01.html

11-8-2010, 11:06 PM	#15
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff Seems like making a DDR/ITG machine is always one of the first things people make when they learn 3d haha. It was one of my earlier things too. I should make one now that I'm decent. What the heck is up with the bar shadows? Last edited by darkshark; 11-9-2010 at 01:15 AM..

11-9-2010, 01:18 AM	#17
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff Just for ****s and giggles, go to the "Lights" panel and add a skylight, then press F10 to bring up the render dialogue, go to the advanced lighting tab, and set it as "Light Tracer" It will take a bit more to render, but I want you to see the difference it makes.

11-9-2010, 12:27 PM	#19
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff Good job! That's looking a ton better. Probably should have mentioned you needed to turn off all the other lights in your scene except for that skylight. Oh well. You should probably get in the habit of lighting your scenes how they'd be lit in real life, ie. lights on the ceiling in common patterns. I highly suggest working with the VRay rendering engine as well, I know you're doing all this to learn game design, but there's nothing wrong with learning the other side of modeling!

11-9-2010, 01:50 PM	#20
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: My 3D Stuff Just messing around for a few minutes. You'd be surprised how a good lighting setup can affect everything about a scene.

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