Being Prejudice On White Men?

[MystieRains]

Can this really be done? I was reading through the Critical Board (like I’ve been doing lately. I barely get an intellectual conversation with another human being now, and reading others help to keep me on my toes) and to quote one of Jewpin’s comment was

“But the White man f*cked everything up. I blame the white man.”

A lot of people do. I know how my mother does, and lots of minorities do also. Slavery and the exploiting of minorities, barely existing women’s status, they were great horrible things in the past, and of course exist this way now. Maybe some things less than more, but it’s still there. But now there’s plenty of talking out about it. Rising up from it. There are laws against it. Programs fighting it. And lots of blaming.

I remember two of my male friends complain on how there’s been too much of this. Not on how it’s wrong, but how a lot of the tables have turned. It makes me wonder if they’re true. Scholarships for instance, there are plenty of groups that single just for Blacks, Latinos, Women, and such. Not one for the basic white guy. If they did, they’d be a lawsuit so fast it’d make your head spin. And how if women say something against men it’s perfectly fine, but if a man says something against a women, it can be reviewed as a sexist comment, and be serious consequences.

A lot of men say we’re taking this too far, and a lot of others are saying it’s not being taken far enough. It brings up the idea ‘are people being prejudice upon the common white guy?’ I don’t know, I’m no where near it. I can see where both sides are coming from. Is it fair considering the past that many people had to live with, or is it not fair to be ‘taking it out on later generations’ and “trying to make us constantly grovel all the time and make us feel bad” which is what one of my male friends said.

I hope this doesn’t seem like a stupid topic, but I really am curious. Especially on the guys it directly effects.

[Anticrombie0909]

Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of **** everything up. Let's see what we've accomplished: Organized religion, slavery, government, terorrism, Bush (XD), etc. So on, and so forth...really, if you look at it, the white man is the reason we are where we are today (notice, where we are today is not a good place). Think back in history- most major wars, political disagreements, racism, and the general attitude toward the world, has all been influenced by us.

Reading back on this paragraph, it seems really racist...keep in mind I'm white, and I'm kind of rambling, just putting down thoughts...I'll add to this later.

[makaveli121212]

i dont think any whiteman this day and age should have to pay the consequences for what other whitmen did way before they were born

[trillobyite]

Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of **** everything up. Let's see what we've accomplished: Organized religion, slavery, government, terorrism, Bush (XD), etc.

how did the white man start terorism? That's the Muslim extremists you're thinking of, not the white man.

[makaveli121212]

you know you look on the bad side whitemen are evil but think of all the good things they brought to the world and you can see why things were the way they were

[VxDx]

Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of **** everything up. Let's see what we've accomplished: Organized religion, slavery, government, terorrism, Bush (XD), etc. So on, and so forth...really, if you look at it, the white man is the reason we are where we are today (notice, where we are today is not a good place). Think back in history- most major wars, political disagreements, racism, and the general attitude toward the world, has all been influenced by us.


1. Uhh, white people (presumably you mean Europeans did not invent religion.
2. White people didn't invent terrorism.
3. How is government a bad thing? Would you rather have anarchy?
4. The world didn't revolve around Europe a long long time ago, it revolved around the middle east.

[HNJhack]

well ithink his main poit was we have caused so much hatred in this world by doing these things to all of these people, that is has caused these side-effects.I think he is wrong.

-First of all we can't even trace the origin of religion, i think the farthest we know of is the aztechs.
-Second, all terrorism is, is the mob attackng other countries and such.They do the same work as the mobs did( to the extreme) just in other coutries.
-Third, The gov't we were SUPPOSED to have would have been fine, but we let it get out of hand, plus total anatchy would be really cruel on you.
-Finally, the workd doesn't revovle around anything but existance, we are just self centered, we have created a bunch of our problems and blame it on other countries or just one person. "it's all the president's fault!", no it's not, it's the whole ****ing gov't fault, cuz the pres can't do dhit without the rest of the gov't agreeing or voting.

And that concludes my rant for the day ... ^_^

[Moogy]

HNJHack : Number 1 is wrong as hell. Religion can be traced back to nearly the very beginning of man, when people were buried with objects for use in the next life, and ceremonies were conducted to appease spirits and the like.

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

I'm prejudice against myself, and I'm white...


0 N0S I'M A CRACKA HATER

[jewpinthethird]

Okay, just so you know, I am white. And I am ashamed of what the white man has done in the past and even right now (G.W Bush/KKK/Neo-Nazis). I feel there are things that cannot be forgiven that the white man has done (such as stealing land from the Native Americans).

However, I feel that in oreder to get ride of Racism (and reverse racism) we must let the past go. We must put an end to affirmative action (I am liberal by the way). We must stop referring to people as minorities.

And trillobyte, Terrorism existed way before 9-11. I would say the first extreme case of Terrorism either started during the Nazi occupation of Germany. I dont know...can anyone else think of something earlier?

[Varia]

i dont think any whiteman this day and age should have to pay the consequences for what other whitmen did way before they were born

Definitely agree with you on that...same should go with anything else. Don't hate your neighbor because his brother stole your cheetos, or something.

I have a problem with white America. You know, the people that Jewpin always makes jokes about. "Go drive in your SUV to Starbucks and get a hot cup of STFU". Yeah, those white people. From what I have seen, they are very closed-minded to anything outside of their country. They are racist. Not to an extreme but they pretty much have some sort of dislike for people that aren't white, or don't act like them. They are wasteful and ignorant, not to mention selfish. They only want to get themselves ahead in life so they can promote the cycle of this lifestyle they love.

I know I am generalizing, which isn't really a good thing, but the majority of white people I know are like that.

I am downright ashamed at times that I am mostly white, and that I am stereotyped by others because of it. Truly, the white race has done the most horrific things to this world that I know of. No other race even comes close to the suffering and pain and hate that they have produced and prolonged. That's about all I have to say about that.

[eyespewgreekfire]

early terrorism- heres a few
genghish khan's army in the mid 1300's
great example- goth sack of rome 421
probably some earlier ones too
in other words terrorism existed before islam was thought of
white man has done bad things
he has also done good

[MystieRains]

However, I feel that in oreder to get ride of Racism (and reverse racism) we must let the past go. We must put an end to affirmative action (I am liberal by the way). We must stop referring to people as minorities.

If getting rid of the term "minorities" happens, all the programs, speaking out, scolorships and other things for specific people end. Things that lots a people would have been without before. Would this be such a good thing? I know a lot of people consider all these scholarships a good way to make up for the past.


Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of **** everything up.

Yeah, you guys did. No offence meant or anything ^_^" but what about "justice" or "revenge"? I'm not saying go out and kill every old white guy you see, he's probably a racist, but I know a lot of people have cried out how it isn't fair how they (they meaning all the racist white men of the past) gotten away with so much and had really no fair justice taken to them. Technically, Germaby has had it's justice "dealt" upon it, several times. What about all the others prejudice people? And we have to remember, it isn't just race. There's plenty of other kinds too.

[Scarlette]

Not that I'm racist or anything, but say, if there was me, (I'm white by the way) a black girl, and a Mexican girl, and we were all equally smart, let's say we're trying to get into a certain college, and let's say theres only two spaces left so someone gets left out, so we got to take a test, right? (keep in mind that we are all equally smart)

We all take the test with the same exact answers and...

They get in just because they're black and Mexican

Don't you think that's even the tiniest bit unfair?

[Anticrombie0909]

Well, now you're getting into affirmative action, which is a tad different. I agree with you...halfheartedly. See, I also think where a person grew up, or what kind of a life they had should have something to do with it. Look at it a bit differently- A black kid from the bronx, grew up in poverty, went to community high school, and his parents were divorced, his mom was a drunk, his dad beat him, and somehow, magically, he still gets good enough grades to get into Harvard. Now contraversially, there's a white kid who's been pampered, spoiled, his dad's a doctor, his mom's a successful real estate agent, and they're living in the lap of luxury in Beverly Hills in a 21 million dollar house. They get exact same grades, exact same test scores. Who do you think worked harder to get in?

[makaveli121212]

i dont see how its really unfair if they are equally smart...but in many cases especially at the university of michigan minoritiies have gotten excepted with worse numbers than some white students...that is unfair in my mind...giving spots to people based on thier ethnicity rather than their smarts shouldnt be...jewpin i think youre way off here...i can see how you can be ashamed of the white race because of those certain things, but then you must feel equally proud of many of the things the whiteman brought into the world right? not only that, but it isnt like any race is perfect...every race from chinese to blacks to latinos all have their things to be ashamed of, but you just dont look at the bad, you have to look at the good too...thats why i feel that the whiteperson has done equally as many good things as bad things and shouldnt be criticized just for the bad things

[Anticrombie0909]

Maka, that case at Michagan is the thing that spawned this whole affirmative action thing, but I know a little bit about it...what happened was there was a black guy and a white guy, and the white guy had slightly better grades (but very slightly), and the black guy got in because Michagan decided they needed more cultural diversity. I'm not taking a stand, because I feel both ways, but that's what happened...yeah.

[Scarlette]

I live in Michigan, near Detroit.

We can get to Cedar Point in less than 4 hours.

[Anticrombie0909]

We can get to Cedar Point in less than 4 hours.
:shock:

Lucky bastard, I LOVE Cedar Point! Millinium Force!

[makaveli121212]

i know a lot about U-M too, not only do i live an hour away but i also was accepted there...i still dont know if i want to go there though, they seem way to liberal to me...notre dame is much more conservative and i like that better

[heyhey11]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


(back on topic)

White people did ruin a lot of **** but whose to say if there were more blacks back then that whites wouldnt have been slaves and all the **** we(the whites) ****ed up woulda been done by the blacks

(on a lighter side) lol if we had been the minority maybe it would be cool if the whites talked ebonics and grabbed there enourmous penises every .00001 seconds

[MystieRains]

The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are required to believe that the only explanation for non-White failure is White racism, every time a non-White is poor, commits a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, White society stands accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior by non-Whites is standing proof that White society is riddled with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-Whites fail to succeed in life at exactly the same level as Whites, Whites will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed almost exclusively by White people. Indeed, a black congressman from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of Detroit, have argued that only White people can be racist. Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which she explained that all Whites are racist and that only Whites can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?

Although some blacks and liberal Whites concede that non-Whites can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-Whites have been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of White oppression. What appears to be non-White racism is so understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by Whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The reverse is also true.

Examples of this sort of double standard are so common, it is almost tedious to list them: When a White man kills a black man and uses the word "******" while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of random Whites, the media are silent.

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"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of White pride is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.

Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of affirmative action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action, if practiced in favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable favoritism.



Pretty much, all of this, is being pointed to this topic. That's it's going too far. And they're using this to exploit "White Pride" and not to feel bad. So, how far is too far? Can you really be proud and not racist, or is it all some sham or what...

[Laharl]

i dont think any whiteman this day and age should have to pay the consequences for what other whitmen did way before they were bornAgreed.

Just as I think that black people trying to bank off of misdeeds against their ancestors are totally in the wrong.

We are who we are, not who our forefathers were, and not who their ancestors were. Besides, not all white people have anything to do with slavery, ever, even in their family line. (We've traced my own back far enough to have proven that at least my own family line has never owned slaves.) Just as I know not all black people had ancestors that were slaves. This "my people" bullcrap is stupid in ways words cannot even scratch at.

In this day and age, it doesn't even matter where your family originates from. America is the only country where a poor black boy can become a rich white girl (Michael Jackson).

[Anticrombie0909]

Yeah. Like, I hate it how people discriminate against Germans today because of what the Nazis did. Hell, I hate Nazis more than most of this forum, and I hold nothing against the Germans of today (unless, of course, they're racist). My Grandfather probably got in a bar fight with some dude 50 years ago. No call for that dude to come find me and punch me out.

[UltimateSoul]

racism is a disease. if we are to have a society in which we are free from racism, it is absolutely necessary that every form of it is eradicated. if we are to live otherwise, we are only setting ourselves up for further racial hatred.

[Laharl]

Yeah. Like, I hate it how people discriminate against Germans today because of what the Nazis did. Hell, I hate Nazis more than most of this forum, and I hold nothing against the Germans of today (unless, of course, they're racist). My Grandfather probably got in a bar fight with some dude 50 years ago. No call for that dude to come find me and punch me out.Yeah, very true. Luckily, that doesn't really happen that often. (If you look, Germany has one of the best economies in the world, so apparently, other countries are still trading with them.)

@ UltimateSoul: Yes, exactly! If racial preference is shown, than discrimination is also present. You can't have one without the other.

[Cenright]

I haven't looked through all the messages, so if I am repeating something that someone else said, I am sorry.

The "ancestral" white man was enslaved the "ancestral" black man. That is over and done with. I am not my ancestor and you (a black man) are not your ancestor.

(Will say more later)

[makaveli121212]

thats exactly what i said on the first page...i know you said you didnt read it all...but great minds think alike

[Dark_Mind]

Think about a society without racism... think about it.... Who would be apart of this society? The only way for racism to not exist, is to have no races. In this society (the one were thinking about) the term "white" and "black" wouldn't exist; and I don't mean in terms of colors.

[Laharl]

Think about a society without racism... think about it.... Who would be apart of this society? The only way for racism to not exist, is to have no races. In this society (the one were thinking about) the term "white" and "black" wouldn't exist; and I don't mean in terms of colors.Racism is only present in societies that are better off, like the United States.

Both my older brothers served missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Brazil. For those of you that don't know the details, they go and live in some foreign place for 2 years to preach gospel doctrine. Anyway, they said that racism doesn't even exist down there. Brown? Black? White? No one cares.

[jewpinthethird]

Equal rights, not special rights.

If you want to get rid of racism, you must treat everyone equal, no matter what their skin color (because that is all "race" is). A person from the Domincan Repbulic, who is from a wealthy family that owns a sugar cane farm gets the same privileges as a person of African Heritage who's ancestors were slaves just because of their skin color. Which I think is wrong. I person shouldnt be judged by their skin color, but by their personality, determination, values, etc...thus, I feel affirmative action is wrong.

And white people have done many good things. But they have done many bad things. Just as every race has.

[Cenright]

Ok, here is a proven study done in LA. In an area, there were asian owned small businesses and black owned small businesses.

People were asked who were on the streets, and they were asked the following things:
1.Have you been inside the asian businesses?
2.Have you been inside the black businesses?
3.Do you know the families that run the asian businesses?
4.Do you know the families that run the black businesses?
5.How do you think those asians got those businesses?
6.How do you think those blacks got those businesses?

When suveyers stopped and asked whites, here is the average answers.
1.2. Sometimes.
3.4. Not really, I might know a few a little bit.
5.6 Probably had to work hard, but don't know.

When suveyers stopped and asked Asians, here is the average answers.
1. All the time.
2. Almost Never.
3. Knew almost all the families.
4. Knew almost none.
5. By pouring hard work and time.
6. Guessing by hard work also.

When suveyers stopped and asked blacks, here is the average answers.
1. Never.
2. All the time.
3. Knew none of the families.
4. Knew a few of the families.
5. Had special privilages from the government just cause they are asian.
6. Had to work super hard, despite the government trying to put the owners down.


Conclusion.
Whites didn't seem to care either way, and had gone to both just as if they were businesses.

Asians only went to asian owned businesses, and blacks only went to black owned businesses.
Asians knew their owner and familes very well and most could name big things about them.
Blacks knew ther owner and families fairly little, and only knew them basically by name.

Asians felt all the businesses were formed because of capitolistic methods.
Blacks felt all the businesses were formed because of or in spite of the government conspiracies.



So it seems that all these prejudices are seen only through the eyes of the blacks. They seem to feel that it is all the government making problems for them.
They say that it is the whites with all this racism, but when one of the blacks in their neighborhood starts making the big money because of a good education, they turn on him and say that he is "going white" on the rest of them. Without even thinking about it, the blacks are keeping themselves down, not the whites.


I think that is all I had to say.


-Edit-
Oh Yeah. Rhetorical question.
All the violent music and violent people... are they asians or blacks?

(I left whites out because they are not part of this comparison. They are kinda in the middle with some good and some bad.)

[Anonymous]

Some awesome generalisation happening here :).

Just remember, bad things always have happened and do happen everywhere under any leadership. They always have and probably always will. There is no basis for blaming white males for "the state of the world [focused purely on the negatives]" The world is probably in the best situation it ever has been if you look at average quality of life and increasing quality of life, not that it has much to do with the race or gender of world leaders.

Yes I think there is increasing prejudice against white males, but as Homer Simpson once said "I'm a white male aged 18 to 45, everybody listens to me". :)

[Jello]

i dont have much time here to make a big post. ill just say a quick few things. 1) the egyptians (blacks) enlsaved the white men (jews). 2) the white man (americans) enslaved the black man (american). except for a few small countries in southern africa, slavery is pretty much gone. the slavery thats down there is blacks enslaving blacks. so who the hell cares... i cant say that the whites got what they deserved cuz it was the jews who were enslaved and we (jews) have gone through enough racial problems (egyptians, hitler, ****ing arabs who suicide bomb... and no i dont hate arabs i hate those who suicide bomb innocent people..) plus the KKK (dont only target jews) and neo nazis (target jews) so if you count all of that. the white man has really gone through a lot more than the black man... who only went through a few hundred years of slavery vs a few thousand which the white man was enslaved by the egyptians. so really its the black man who has enslaved more than the white man. There have also been other races enslaved but usually they involve enslaving eachother by social status... like a king would have slaves (extreme example) ill end my post here

[Anonymous]

There is a huge prejudice on white men. Yeah, they did a lot of bad things in the past, but it was in the past. Now they have to watch every single move they make today or they'll be targeted with a hate crime. If a white man hits a black man, it's a hate crime, if a black man hits a white man, it's assault or whatever. Blacks can use the N word and whatnot in public, and schools, but if a white man says it the exact same way blacks did, it's a hate crime. I'm sorry but if blacks can call each other *****s and crap, then wouldn't it only be fair for whites to do it too? Two white boys who were raised in Africa were nailed with being racially offensive because they checked "African American" as their heritage.

[RenmazuoGK]

That was me, but it said I was guest for some reason?

[COBOL]

Think about this... with the current caucasian birth rate whites will be the minority by 2050

[Anonymous]

I totally agree. I think affirmative action should really be based on circumstance, not purely on race. Affirmative action aside though, it really is hard to just let the past go and say ok we can start over because these things aren't going on anymore. Reality is though there is still alot of racism out there and there's alot of race bashing from all sides. Nonetheless things are getting better in the U.S. as far as race relations go, and we just happen to be part of the post civil-rights movement generations that's stuck between the intense racism of the past and hopeful equality in the future. Alot of it has persisted because we encourage it with stereotypes, racial jokes, movies, etc. That, and we have to stop being so damn afraid of eachother, acting like just because somebody is different than you. Just because he's black, mexican, white, chinese, japanese, korean, eskimo, w/e doesn't mean he can't appreciate and enjoy the same music, sports, movies, books, etc. that you do and vice versa, that goes for everybody.

Just to finish things off, I noticed somebody metioned that line of equality between men and women. It really is rediculous how sensitive these laws against sexual harassment are getting. Men, do you realize how much power women have just because they're women. Just the other day a girl in my class was like "Girl's can just say he raped me, that's power." Then she gave us an example of what she'd say and I have to admit, it sounded pretty damn convincing. Over here in California there was a story of a group of girls that came forward after accusing a man of rape, getting him convicted, and then after he served eight months in jail they come forward saying it was all made up. You know why they made it up? Because one of the girls broke curfew and she didnt want her mom to know she was with her boyfriend so she tears up her clothes and says a man tried to rape her. Holy ****. One more thing, guys have you noticed the declining men's role in the media? Just to site one example, in family sitcoms who's always the dumbass of the family? Is it the dad or the mom? I rest my case.

[Woodenbox]

Yeah that was my post btw guys, this thing is dumb and always submits me as guest unless i login each time.

[perfect_fat]

"White people" didn't do anything. The issue of racism is simply a systematic attempt by the ruling class to ensure that people focus their attention on lesser matters instead of the bigger picture. People fear and hate things that are different from them. Psychology 101. Everybody is racist whether you'll admit it or not. Doesn't matter if you're a white boy and all your best friends are black, you're still racist somehow.

Do we divide and give people politcally correct sounding names based on their eye and hair colour? That's ridiculous you say? Think about it.

What about tall and short people. Are they not viewed differently? Prejudice is a natural, tribalistic impulse built into our genetic makeup *opinion*.

We learn to control our prejudice, and when we realize that most stereotypes based on skin colour are purely urban legends, we can began to see the real problems in this world.

[Cowtipper89]

Well...and speaking from a totally unbiased, outsider's standpiont...the white man did kind of **** everything up. Let's see what we've accomplished: Organized religion, slavery, government, terorrism, Bush (XD), etc. So on, and so forth...really, if you look at it, the white man is the reason we are where we are today (notice, where we are today is not a good place). Think back in history- most major wars, political disagreements, racism, and the general attitude toward the world, has all been influenced by us.



I dont necisarrily agree that where we are today is such a bad place. I mean yeah, we have problems, Lots of problems, but if you look at our standard of living compared to EVERY other country in the world, we definetly take the gold. and as much crap politics is out there, I think that to live in such a privlidged lifestyle, we have to deal with it. Without it, our lives would be much worse off.

Oh yes, my comment on the actual subject. Well, I think that white men ARE getting discriminated against by the minorities who so valiantly fought for equal rights in the 1960s. Isn't there something wierd with this. I think its because the democratic party has catered to the needs of the minorities and telling them that they deserved more than the common man, and with the institution of Welfare and other such horrible programs it has become socially acceptable to mooch off the governments money and not get jobs. I think that because so many of these people are in this state, that they yell and scream the loudest, just like a kid when you spoil them, and so politicians can't ignore their demands. So becuase of this, we have things like Affirmative Action, which I Do believe is racist against the majority. So, yeah.

[COBOL]

not bein racist or anything but didn't the black man raise the crime rate. Yea us "krackers" did **** up a lot of stuff but so did the muslims with their terrorism, and if your against firearms (I'm not) the chinese man invented gun powder.

[perfect_fat]

Saying that black people made the crime rate rise isn't quite right.

Poverty is the root behind most crime, and if you look at the amount of african-americans in poverty, compared to whites, and apply that to the ratio of blacks to whites in prison, the numbers aren't far off.

The "muslims" with their "terrorism" is just a response to the US and Israeli terrorism that they've been facing. I'm not trying to justify it, but I feel a lot of americans have looked at their country and thought "Why would they attack us?" without looking into US foreign policy for the last 50 years and finding out why the extremists have targeted their country.

[C104K3D]

Unfortunately, I highly doubt the past would be looked in to to decide who deserves the education more.
I can't really think of much on this topic atm =/

[DracIV]

Specific note to jewpin: WTF is Bush doing in there with KKK and Neo-Nazis? What the heck did he do that was evil or racist? He did what he felt was best for America, fighting back in a war against us that had already been going on for many years. Also, stealing land from the Native Americans? It's called conquering.

Back to the rest: some of the stuff people said here is total junk. "White man" may have done a lot of bad things, but so did everyone else, we're just the most sucessful with our good things. Europeans aren't the only ones who had slavery, they were just the most obvious. WM may have oppressed many, but so did everyone else. However, WM also invented freedom and democracy. Who else did that on their own?

The "Go drive in your SUV to Starbucks and get a hot cup of STFU" is obviously a stereotype. How many people own an SUV? Not THAT many. How many visit Starbucks? Only those in cities. How many adhere to all the pathetic images people try and force on Americans? Few. We aren't greedy, close-minded, or selfish. Only the gullible believe that. Look around you and learn how people really are.

About the minorities scholarships, etc. The reason for this is to allow determined individuals to escape from their cultures, which are holding them down. No, it is not to help them fight against the "unfair whites." It is to help them get away from those others who would hold them down. I can give a specific example: the "ghetto dwellers" culture of black americans. The culture itself drags people down, encourages continuation of poor conditions and encourages people to keep others down with them. Even violent actions are commonly used to prevent people from escaping their culture, but many of those who do escape (especially in the example) are considered removed from the culture entirely. An example I have seen of this is the insult where black guys say someone like Collin Powell is white because they have a respectable position and are earning their own wealth.
[Edit] Cenright made this point perfectly for me (I missed her post)

There is a major reverse-descrimination problem in the world when you look. This is a truly major topic if people cared to pay enough attention to the things around them to see all the nuances that effect the truth. It's nice to see that atleast a few do.

[Jam930]

my thoughts: in general black people put themselves down and they like it there. they dont want to be in the government, they like their bling bling and hip hoozo stuff or whatever. they dont value education as much as being hip, just from my experiences.

Asians work really hard and are serious about what they do. you dont often see a big fat lacking-in-self-discipline slob asian abusing the system, but i see whites and blacks do it all the time.


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[Jam930]

Think about this... with the current caucasian birth rate whites will be the minority by 2050

hahaha...
what about mixes races?

more and more people will be mixes as time goes on, until there is some new race called "mutt".

[hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX]

*points at the posts about so and so cultures no getting into so and so schools*

There have been things about that on the news regarding to universities in British Columbia, about chosing whites over asians (or was it the other way around..not the point though) for the spots in the schools. It's wrong, it's racist (in my opinion atleast) and it should stop.

*points at the title of the topic*

Yes it is possible to be prejudice against the whites, ever see a group of giant asians walking through a mall, then pointing at a white guy saying "dude...he's caucasian" ? I sure have.

Now, for the my prospect on the idea of the original post itself (*moans* i'm still feeling like a **** bag...i'll try to make this short). It's true, White Men have done numerous things that have caused us to live in this junk yard that we cal life. Many of the acts of white men were very well known (Holocaust, slavery...etc..). But look at the others...I don't mean to be racist of anything, but here's some examples. I'll do it by color

White did Slavery
Natives don't pay taxes and wait for the government to give 'em money (In canada atleast)
Yellow: the whole idea of "you kill someone, we kill you". Two wrongs don't make a right.
Black: Nothing I can think of at the moment, but i'm sure there is something...

Everyones done wrong things in the past, there's nothing we can do about it. What we CAN do, is prevent it from happening again. If we stopped looking at the past, racisme, prejudice, stereotypes..etc, wouldn't even exist. What's happened has happened. So what are you trying to prove? What are you trying to do about it? Nothing, because it's the past, nothing can be done.

[DracIV]

I think you have just gone a bit too far in one of your comments. Just because the Germans are white does not mean that all white people are responsible in any way for the actions of the Nazis. That's like saying that because of the actions of the Zulus and HooHoos that all Black people are genocidal monsters. You shouldn't even be suggesting basing your view of millions of people on the acts of a few because of their skin color. Even if you do say it as a minor side comment, do not attribute that kind of act to a whole race. Even doing a continent may be a bit too far, but here is a list I think is better in that respect:

North Americans [White] = Slavery
Europeans [White] = Slavery, Genocide or two (Nazis)
Russians [White] = Slavery, Communism
Australians [White] = Ancestors were all criminals
Native North Americans [Red] = Major source of casinos and gambling
Native South Americans [Red] = Sacrificed people
Asians [Yellow?] = Caused generational unrest, Communism
Indians [Arabic] = Slavery, Major racial wars
Middle Easterners [Arabic] = Major terrorist problems, Slavery
Egyptian [Arabic] = Slavery
Black African [Black] = Genocide or ten
Black American [Black] = Chained themselves in poverty

To me, this makes it seem more obvious that everyone has problems from the past and some right now, and I agree with you that most of these things are in the past and should be forgotten. There are many that have not forgotten these past problems and these jade their view, but even when we discuss it please do not attribute something like the Holocaust to a whole race.

One last note: even suggesting that slavery was only the white people is unfair. Almost everyone is guilty of it in some form. Oh yeah, and sorry about ranting a little bit; that holocaust side-statement deeply offended me.

[IronMonk]

ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here.

Communisim: Theory of political and economic development proposed by Karl Marx and developed and implemented by V. I. Lenin. In Marxist theory, "communism" denotes the final stage of human historical development in which the people rule both politically (compare: democracy) and economically (contrast: capitalism). Since the government, according to Marxist theory, is essentially an instrument of class oppression, and the society which emerges in this final stage is classless, as this final state is approached government will gradually wither away

does that sound like a bad thing to you?

their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

Communism doesn't exist in the world today. Not even close.

[IronMonk]

thus my last statement.

[jewpinthethird]

"their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly."

That is the only down fall to Communism. Damn you primitive survival instincts.

[Cenright]

Marx himself said that Communism would never work unless it was completely worldwide. If you have seen "Enemy at the Gates" you know that people can never be equal. anyway There is always something to covet.

Rich in popularity, Poor in popularity.
Rich in family, Poor in family.
Rich in love, Poor in love.

There is always something.

[jewpinthethird]

"WTF is Bush doing in there with KKK and Neo-Nazis? What the heck did he do that was evil or racist? He did what he felt was best for America, fighting back in a war against us that had already been going on for many years. Also, stealing land from the Native Americans? It's called conquering. "

I can honestly say that I do not remember writing that (though I did). But I do believe I threw in Bush to break the tension, not to be taken seriously. Being president of the strongest nation in the world is not an easy job. No matter what you do, there is always someone like me to put you down (as though I am talking to the President himself). I am sorry if anyone was offended by that comment.

" 'Go drive in your SUV to Starbucks and get a hot cup of STFU' is obviously a stereotype"

Yes it is. But I can honestly say that A LOT OF PEOPLE DO DRIVE SUVs. At least where I live (Palm Springs). And those who do (mainly teenagers) ALSO have a ritual of going to starbucks in the morning and spending 5 dollars for some damn coffee. Now, I am not saying that I dont like Starbucks, their coffee is really good and a nice "treat" every once in a while, however, those who have the money to waste on coffee [say 5 bucks a day (just on coffee) times 5 days a week times 4 weeks in a month equals 100 dollars a month just on coffee]. Wasteful? In my opinion VERY.

"the 'ghetto dwellers' culture of black americans"

Stereotype. Not all people of African origin live in the ghetto. Not all blacks break dance and rap. By enforcing these "racial scholarships" we are saying "Hey, you're black, we are sorry for you. You must need help. Here, here is free money." It doesnt matter if they come from a wealthy family. It should not be based on race, but of social status.

"The reason for this is to allow determined individuals to escape from their cultures, which are holding them down"

CULTURES DO NOT HOLD PEOPLE DOWN. Stereotypes hold people down.

[Jam930]

ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here.

Communisim: Theory of political and economic development proposed by Karl Marx and developed and implemented by V. I. Lenin. In Marxist theory, "communism" denotes the final stage of human historical development in which the people rule both politically (compare: democracy) and economically (contrast: capitalism). Since the government, according to Marxist theory, is essentially an instrument of class oppression, and the society which emerges in this final stage is classless, as this final state is approached government will gradually wither away

does that sound like a bad thing to you?

their is only one problem with communisim-- people. peoples greed corrupts communisim till it fails compleatly.

Yet, most people call china communist. Its just a difference in the way people use the word. True communism doesnt work, so we just call attempted communism, communism. Kiwi birds, Kiwi fruit, just kiwi. Same stuff. It's just a word-definition difference.
I could call you a gay lord, no offense, and based on your logic, i think you'd take it as me calling you the lord of happiness when i could infact have meant something else.

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[soccerslut]

this subject is wierd, and there are two sides but i tend to go against white people on this. Only becuase the one's who say they shouldn't have to pay for things in the past are usually the ones who are living with the profits made by the things that happened in the past. What alot of people don't understand is that racism still exist and is still hurting most black people in this country(US). Colon Powell had to drop out of the race for President because of the death threats on him, and his family. Also black people still get used in this country like puppets. Do you really think Bush would have hired Condileeza Rice or Colon Powell, if he knew he could get away with having an all white administration? And that happens everywhere Oprah was hired for the same reason (damn did they get lucky).
Sure the white has nothing to do with crazy islamics who listen to invisable voices in their head who tell them to kill people but they are the ones who created this ungenerous slef-rightgeous bull**** that caused them to hate the US so much.

[Anonymous]

I think the main problem is the "we" and "they" complex that pervades every culture around the globe. Anyone who is included in your group is included in they "we" and everyone else is a "they." All "they's" are by default the same because it helps to reiforce our view that "we" are superior to all "they's." People want to feel superior to everyone else because it makes them feel good.

I guess you could say everone suffers from some massive worldwide cultural inferiority complex...

[Lupin_the_3rd]

What alot of people don't understand is that racism still exist

crazy islamics who listen to invisable voices in their head who tell them to kill people but they are the ones who created this ungenerous slef-rightgeous bull**** that caused them to hate the US so much

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wow...dumbest thing i've seen since Jam930 joined the site :p

[DracIV]

"Stereotype. Not all people of African origin live in the ghetto. Not all blacks break dance and rap."

I didn't mean all people of African origin, I meant those people of African origin who live in the ghetto and who are the dreak dancers and rappers (that specific cultural group).

"CULTURES DO NOT HOLD PEOPLE DOWN. Stereotypes hold people down."

You are correct there. It is when the people of the culture conform to the stereotype that others of the same culture are forced to go along and have trouble escaping. That can be seen pretty easily in the example I gave.

"ok, now you gone and done it. its seems as though somone here doesnt understand communisim. i find it very funny that you include communisim as a bad thing in these lists here."

I understand communism. The reason I put it on the list of bad things is because it is a garunteed failure in this world. We know it cannot work, and the collapse can be devastating, so I put it in the list of mistakes and bad things.

"Do you really think Bush would have hired Condileeza Rice or Colon Powell, if he knew he could get away with having an all white administration?"

Yes, I do. You are accusing him of being racist, which I do not think he is. He might have just picked those people because he trusted them and/or knew they were capable. They sure have been doing a good job so far, so I see no evidence to prove that Bush did it to look good.
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Guest has a good point. We and They helps make others seem like enemies even if it is in a minor sense. Demonization in war tries to make the enemy a They, and wars have been fought just because others are Theys.

[jewpinthethird]

"I meant those people of African origin who live in the ghetto and who are the dreak dancers and rappers (that specific cultural group). "

That made me laugh.

I dont think Bush is racist...he's just...Bush.

[Lupin_the_3rd]

The ghetto dwelling break dancing ethnic group?

what the hell?

[perfect_fat]

Calling China communist is a cop out for people to push "Capitalism". We don't live in a capitalist world either. And free trade, isn't free trade either, there are still tarriffs and duties on a lot of things

To say communism doesn't work implies that it has actually been tried. It hasn't. Just bastardized versions of it. The only real change in a system we've ever seen is in Catalonia during the Spainish civil war. A pure anarcho-syndaclist society where there was no ruling class, and everything was handled by democratic worker's unions.

Saying we can't get over greed is also a cop out. We have to take away the means for people to be greedy. If we have an entirely democratic system, nobody will be able to take all of the power into their hands.

As long as there are no consequences for greed, it will continue. Until elected officials are held accountable for their actions, money and power will continue to be in less and less hands.

[hitokiri_diesel]

I aggree totally with this. Example: What if movie named "Black Men Can't Dance" came out? The black community would raise hell. In the 1990's a basketball movie named "White Men can't Fly" was made.

'nuf said.