Will America Fall?

[unholyz]

I've searched the forums for something like this and I didnt find anything on it so dont kill me if it has already been done.

I had my British Literature teacher ask me if I thought that America is an empire/dynasty and it it would fall like all past empires have.

I think that one day we will. It may not be in our lifetime but its most likely going to be a war, civil or world, or something is going to happen where we fall into another depression and we are going to be a third-world-country. So tell me what you think.

EDIT: And to let you know: Im not one of those people that hates America. I love living here so dont get me wrong about this question.

[FlashStinger]

Nothing lasts forever, and america is just another example. Yes, it is a strong "empire" but the value of our currnecy is depleteing and eventually there will be a stock market crash or w/e and we will have another "great depression" War may also come to us and that could a lot of nations.

-Stinger

[ddr_addict]

Yes, while America is strong and able to support other countries, eventually the same thing that happened to the Roman Empire will happen to America. Just for those that don't know, the Roman Empire collapsed from spreading itself too thin to keep under control while conquering neighboring countries.

[UbEr_RaVe]

It'll eventually fall. Hope I'm dead then, though. I don't want to die from hunger.

[hydrojakep]

Yes america will fall, but to who? I personally have no idea. You guys have any?

[AasumDude]

Nothing lasts forever, and america is just another example. Yes, it is a strong "empire" but the value of our currnecy is depleteing and eventually there will be a stock market crash or w/e and we will have another "great depression" War may also come to us and that could a lot of nations.

-Stinger

its pronounced "am-uur-ica". The whitehouse passed the bill this morning.

great depression? not unless china puts it's economy-bomb up... (one trillion...yes TRILLION american dollars american. Put that all up on the market at once and the currency will plummet and launch it into chaos) but extreme procautions have been taken over the thirties to stop over-inflation.

War? Maybe from N. Korea, i guess.

[The_Q]

America will most certainly fall, but not in the way you'd think. Most empires (and according the the Conrad-Demarest model, America is an empire) fall due to a revolution (France) or to a series of internal and external causes (Rome). I believe that America will not fall but rather it will decline.

Economic forecasts predict China rising as a global superpower within the next century. That means they will dominate politically and economically over many other nations. Superior man-power and supplies could lead to the Chinese surpassing America economically and then take dominance as the new world superpower.

What is more likely than America's fall is increased globalization. National borders are nearly invisible lately, especially in the market. Trade between nations has gone above and beyond what many ever thought was possible. Improved communication, industrialization, and (for the most part) a new zeal in the prospect of capitalism should increase global production exponentially. I'm even more certain in this prediction than my other. China is more likely to begin this process sooner and become the predominant example, not necessarily dominant like in the other prediction.

In any case, nobody knows for sure. I'm absolutely sure, though, that it has nothing to do with the lie about our dollar losing value.

Q

EDIT: Due to government intervention, the likelihood of any kind of severe depression is zilch. The most we're probably going to get is a nasty recession, like the kind we pulled out of recently.

[blahblah18]

And I think the opposite, America will one day fall when it loses all its allies and is forcibly removed as a main player... one day the EU will just pose sanctions on USA and place a full embargo while OPEC does the same, etcetera... clearly this won't happen anytime soon, but that's how its going to go down most likely

[falconsfan14]

I've searched the forums for something like this and I didnt find anything on it so dont kill me if it has already been done.

I had my British Literature teacher ask me if I thought that America is an empire/dynasty and it it would fall like all past empires have.

I think that one day we will. It may not be in our lifetime but its most likely going to be a war, civil or world, or something is going to happen where we fall into another depression and we are going to be a third-world-country. So tell me what you think.

EDIT: And to let you know: Im not one of those people that hates America. I love living here so dont get me wrong about this question.

I'm very offended by this, why make a topic like this. Of course we will never fall, unless its at the hand of god. You also said that we might fall due to a civil war(and world but im talking about civil), we've made it through one civil, we can make it through the rest. Im not saying your an anti american so please dont get offended by what i said.

[jujo07]

Falcon, I don't understand why you would be offended by something like this. Eventually everything will come to an end. Just like the Earth my some day come to an end, however, that will be MANY MANY years from now but still, it will come to an end.

I, on the other hand, do think America will someday fall. It could be under the control of another country more powerful than us or some killer disease could come and wipe out a majority of us (very unlikely however).

[blahblah18]

^^^^
Idiots R Us

[falconsfan14]

This is an example of both sides of the argument, yes its long, but hey its critical thinking.
xanderman2064 [5:31 P.M.]: Falcon, right?
Skater1S4 [5:31 P.M.]: ya
xanderman2064 [5:31 P.M.]: It's Q.
Skater1S4 [5:31 P.M.]: o hi
xanderman2064 [5:31 P.M.]: What makes you even begin to think that we'll never fall?
Skater1S4 [5:32 P.M.]: we're just to strong of a country physically and mentally.
Skater1S4 [5:32 P.M.]: we value are country and its cause, its important to us, so why would we let it fall?
xanderman2064 [5:33 P.M.]: Because the cause of our country is bull**** that no one agrees on, we're mentally weak because of this, and we're not exempt from history.
Skater1S4 [5:34 P.M.]: OK, what do you think our cause is?
xanderman2064 [5:35 P.M.]: I don't care about our cause.
xanderman2064 [5:35 P.M.]: I care about me.
xanderman2064 [5:35 P.M.]: I care about the people who care about me.
xanderman2064 [5:35 P.M.]: That's it.
Skater1S4 [5:36 P.M.]: What do you think the cause of the united nations is, we want peace, not all this war crap thats been going lately.
Skater1S4 [5:37 P.M.]: Thats selfish that you only care about yourself
xanderman2064 [5:37 P.M.]: Ironically, our country can't keep its guns in tow long enough to create peace.
Skater1S4 [5:37 P.M.]: you have a point
xanderman2064 [5:37 P.M.]: We will fall.
xanderman2064 [5:37 P.M.]: It's inevitable.
xanderman2064 [5:37 P.M.]: To say otherwise is to be ignorant of history.
Skater1S4 [5:38 P.M.]: i dont think so, its your opinion, i love this country and im loyal to it i will never doubt it no matter what anybody says
xanderman2064 [5:39 P.M.]: Bush's an idiot.
Skater1S4 [5:40 P.M.]: yes he is an idiot, but i like how he runs the country
xanderman2064 [5:40 P.M.]: Bah. He's restricting personal freedoms.
Skater1S4 [5:40 P.M.]: i dont agree on how he goes and bombs everything though
xanderman2064 [5:40 P.M.]: I don't agree how he expands the governemnt.
xanderman2064 [5:40 P.M.]: Why can't I type?
xanderman2064 [5:41 P.M.]: Geez.
Skater1S4 [5:41 P.M.]: Hmm
xanderman2064 [5:42 P.M.]: Don't tell me you think that laws are good.
Skater1S4 [5:43 P.M.]: Yes, i do think that laws are good, thats what keeps our country in line(sort of) i dont agree with some of the laws though
xanderman2064 [5:43 P.M.]: I don't believe in them
Skater1S4 [5:44 P.M.]: i do
xanderman2064 [5:44 P.M.]: Why?
Skater1S4 [5:45 P.M.]: like i said before it keeps our country in line, its what we are based on, its our system, you have to belive in them
xanderman2064 [5:45 P.M.]: No I don't.
xanderman2064 [5:45 P.M.]: I believe in capitalism.
xanderman2064 [5:46 P.M.]: I believe in the free market.
Skater1S4 [5:46 P.M.]: -_-
xanderman2064 [5:46 P.M.]: As long as there are laws restricting it, in any possible way, I'm opposed.
Skater1S4 [5:46 P.M.]: well, you are intitled to your opinion
xanderman2064 [5:47 P.M.]: You're entitled to my opinion as well.
xanderman2064 [5:47 P.M.]: Mine has logical support, though.
Skater1S4 [5:47 P.M.]: mine has morral support
xanderman2064 [5:47 P.M.]: Morality...no.
xanderman2064 [5:48 P.M.]: Yours has
xanderman2064 [5:48 P.M.]: "follow blindly" support
xanderman2064 [5:48 P.M.]: Morality is an issue of personal philosophy.
Skater1S4 [5:48 P.M.]: mmmhhhmmmm
xanderman2064 [5:48 P.M.]: I, personally, believe in rationality. That means independent thinking.
xanderman2064 [5:48 P.M.]: It also means that I don't take my ideas from the media, propoganda, or parents/guardians/teachers
Skater1S4 [5:49 P.M.]: i dont take ideas from the media, but i do from parents and teachers
Skater1S4 [5:49 P.M.]: what i do not like about this country though is, its controlled by the media
Skater1S4 [5:49 P.M.]: and soon the world will be
xanderman2064 [5:50 P.M.]: Then you're taking crap from the government and more crap from immoral blindmen.
Skater1S4 [5:50 P.M.]: and thats a shame
xanderman2064 [5:50 P.M.]: Wow.
xanderman2064 [5:50 P.M.]: That's another popular view that is horribly wrong.
Skater1S4 [5:50 P.M.]: how so?
xanderman2064 [5:51 P.M.]: How does the meda control us?
xanderman2064 [5:51 P.M.]: At all?
xanderman2064 [5:51 P.M.]: I am not dependent on the media in any way.
xanderman2064 [5:51 P.M.]: My opinions are separate from those of the media.
Skater1S4 [5:51 P.M.]: the own, influence, sway us if you will in the directions they want us to go in
Skater1S4 [5:52 P.M.]: why do you think people started smoking, having permiscuose sex, not spending time with family? ill tell you why
xanderman2064 [5:53 P.M.]: Independent thinking!
Skater1S4 [5:54 P.M.]: because the media is everywhere in our homes, TV, computer, books, foods, cartoons(even kids), were swayed by our peers, billboards, music, movies, radio, POP UPS! they own everything, there for they controll almost everuthing
Skater1S4 [5:54 P.M.]: everything**
xanderman2064 [5:55 P.M.]: I'm sorry, but I think opinions that ignorant should not be uttered.
xanderman2064 [5:55 P.M.]: If you'll excuse me, I'm off to think about things.
xanderman2064 [5:55 P.M.]: Try it sometime.
Skater1S4 [5:55 P.M.]: really, i just put alot of thinking into that, i gave you an intelligent answer not some opinion
xanderman2064 [5:56 P.M.]: The people don't do things because the media said so.
Skater1S4 [5:57 P.M.]: not said so, they nudged them in the direction of that, everything you see on tv and anywhere else is swaying you in a direction
Skater1S4 [5:58 P.M.]: i think this should be posted in the "will amaerica fall" thread because this conversations explains both sides of the arguement
xanderman2064 [5:58 P.M.]: Look...you're being disgustingly ignorant.
xanderman2064 [5:58 P.M.]: Come back when you grow a brain stem.
Skater1S4 [5:59 P.M.]: no, you confronted me, you are being ignorent, sayiong opinions shouldnt be uttered, thats ingnorent.

[talisman]

One has to wonder whether China's increasing industrialization and modernization will decrease the stability of the Communist government. Personally, I feel that China's economic and cultural changes will lead eventually to democratization and with that democratization, more regulations will be imposed on China's manufacturing centers, since currently China has none, and factories can pollute as much as they want. (China is the world's leading polluter).

As for whether China's rise means anything about America's fall... I doubt it. Personally I think America lacks a unity of vision. The salad bowl effect of all the ethnicities and cultures present creates too much argument about the direction the future should take. I think it is more likely that in the long run America will split apart, if it is to decline at all.

The other possible future is one of increased global cooperation, in which larger nations merge themselves. I don't see this happening though until space colonization becomes feasible and one country alone can't fund it.

Either way it is several centuries ahead of us.

[MalReynolds]

I think it's ironic that America's intitial cause was Independence, and Q thinks that there is no cause anymore except bull**** causes, and he's all for Independence. He's living the dream.

And Q, you started a fight and then called him stupid. I enjoyed the first chunk of the conversation because I respect both sides. Yes, I think America will fall, but I also think that there's a stark lack in faith of the government.

I honestly like our government, and so far, my personal freedoms? Perfectly fine. No restrictions over here.

Mal

[suicidalmuskrat]

wow, and to think i wasted my time reading that whole thing. Basically all it said was Q is smart. And falcon not so much. Although I could be biased because I heavily disagree when people say the media is to blame for what Falcon talked about (smoking, promiscuous sex, etc...). In fact there are so many FCC regulations on smoking, it's rediculous. As for why people are doing those things, in the example of sex, because they want to. Sex is a natural urge, and people want to fulfill that urge. They aren't doing it because movies show it in a stylized fashion. In fact I'd wager to say that back in the days before media was prevalent, or before media period, there was just as much if not more promiscuous sex going on. In fact I can almost gurantee it. I don't pay enough attention to politics to know much about the current rise, or prediction or rise for China, so I won't comment. Also falcon, why do you take ideas from parents and teachers if (according to you) most people are affected by the media, then won't they just be passing their 'media-corrupted' ideals onto you? Perhaps you should just not listen to what anyone says, sit in a corner, and play tic-tac-toe. At least then no one will be trying to tell you what to think. Pure idiocy.

[vashthestampede0987]

The lengths of me trying to be somewhat smart without applying too much of my braing power.

Skater1S4 (6:06:22 PM): hey
Skater1S4 (6:06:29 PM): multi player isnt working
pyro31191 (6:06:30 PM): Our country is bull ****.
pyro31191 (6:06:32 PM): lol
Skater1S4 (6:06:36 PM): mhm
Skater1S4 (6:06:39 PM): no
Skater1S4 (6:06:59 PM): did you read my giant huge post of me ang Q's conversationj?
Skater1S4 (6:07:05 PM): conversation**
pyro31191 (6:07:11 PM): I'm currently readin git.
Skater1S4 (6:07:16 PM): o
Skater1S4 (6:07:39 PM): i bet im gonna get flamed for it, but it presents both sides
pyro31191 (6:07:45 PM): xanderman2064 [5:39 P.M.]: Bush's an idiot.
Skater1S4 [5:40 P.M.]: yes he is an idiot, but i like how he runs the country
pyro31191 (6:07:52 PM): You deserve to die for saying that.
pyro31191 (6:07:53 PM): So much
Skater1S4 (6:08:22 PM): no no, he is an idiot but he represents the modern man
pyro31191 (6:08:39 PM): He represents the Modern Hypocrit
Skater1S4 (6:08:45 PM): no
pyro31191 (6:09:03 PM): The man is a genius of morons
Skater1S4 (6:09:25 PM): he is no moron
Skater1S4 (6:09:52 PM): if he can get ellected and then re-elected by the country he is no moron
pyro31191 (6:10:10 PM): Because he has swayed the country to his communistic ways.
Skater1S4 (6:10:21 PM): o no no no
pyro31191 (6:10:27 PM): He's a ****ing dicatating, communistic, hypocrit.
Skater1S4 (6:11:28 PM): no he is not a hypocrit and he is not comunistic nor is he a dictator
Skater1S4 (6:11:38 PM): saddam was a dictator
Skater1S4 (6:11:48 PM): bush is a president
pyro31191 (6:11:51 PM): Saddam was god to this man.
Skater1S4 (6:11:58 PM): no
pyro31191 (6:11:58 PM): XD
pyro31191 (6:12:05 PM): That made me lol.
Skater1S4 (6:12:11 PM): i hate it when people say that
Skater1S4 (6:12:21 PM): america haters
pyro31191 (6:12:22 PM): I was kidding at the Saddam thing.
Skater1S4 (6:12:23 PM): lol
Skater1S4 (6:12:25 PM): o
Skater1S4 (6:12:26 PM): ololol
pyro31191 (6:12:28 PM): I ****ing live in america.
Skater1S4 (6:12:45 PM): i know
pyro31191 (6:12:52 PM): How does Bush keep us in line?
Skater1S4 (6:13:05 PM): not bush, the laws do
pyro31191 (6:15:03 PM): We have caused a ****ing hostile take over aka liberation in Iraq, our ****ing economy is dropping, and this entire liberating Iraq **** is all for oil thats why it was codenamed Operation
Iraqi
Liberation
pyro31191 (6:15:18 PM):
Operation
IraqiLiberation
pyro31191 (6:15:21 PM): Argh
pyro31191 (6:15:33 PM):
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation.
pyro31191 (6:15:38 PM): What does that spell?
pyro31191 (6:15:39 PM): OIL
Skater1S4 (6:15:59 PM): that made me lol, but, no
pyro31191 (6:16:00 PM): Jesus I can't spell today
pyro31191 (6:16:58 PM): So what do you have to say about those 3 things about Bush.
pyro31191 (6:17:11 PM): ?*
Skater1S4 (6:18:31 PM): he is a good, clean, honest funny man and he deserves to run this great country of ours
pyro31191 (6:18:57 PM): Funny compared to who?
pyro31191 (6:19:04 PM): Honest...I think not.
Skater1S4 (6:19:08 PM): ya he is
Skater1S4 (6:19:32 PM): heyt in the multiplayer LD and synth are playing a game
Skater1S4 (6:19:48 PM): i wanna spectate
pyro31191 (6:19:52 PM): No
Skater1S4 (6:19:57 PM): wait
Skater1S4 (6:20:01 PM): it says ld only
Skater1S4 (6:20:03 PM): damn
pyro31191 (6:20:10 PM): I want a decent answer supported with facts on why you think Bush is a good president
Skater1S4 (6:20:22 PM): ok
Skater1S4 (6:22:07 PM): He again is a good man, which we need in office, he is strong and is capable of making good desisions, he certainly loves this country, and yes our economy has gone bad but it is going back up, he is getting the hang of things and shouldnt have so many people breathing down his neck
pyro31191 (6:25:13 PM): The only reason people aren't backing him up and breathing down his neck is because he ****ed us over in his first term. Richard Nixon did better in ****ing office than him. Once again I ask how is he a good man? He certainly isn't capable of making good decisions becuase he's sticking his nose where he is not needed. Have we found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? No, we haven't. And when the next person to come in to office comes in we will be breathing down his neck on the economy even though it was actually Bush's fault.
Skater1S4 (6:29:17 PM): i think he is capable of making good desicions, and no we havent found any weapons of mass destruction, i think the reason that bush went looking foe "WOMD" is because of the terrorist attacks and he was just being careful. if im wrong and there was a nuclear threat then i stand corrected.
pyro31191 (6:29:43 PM): Iraq didn't make the terrorist attacks, you know that right?
Skater1S4 (6:29:52 PM): i know that
Skater1S4 (6:29:56 PM): duh
Skater1S4 (6:29:58 PM): lol
pyro31191 (6:30:02 PM): Then do you know who did?
Skater1S4 (6:30:18 PM): yes, it was alquida right?
pyro31191 (6:30:33 PM): Yeah
Skater1S4 (6:30:37 PM): yea
pyro31191 (6:30:42 PM): Saddam had no direct ties to them.
pyro31191 (6:30:48 PM): You also know that right?
Skater1S4 (6:31:08 PM): well that might not be true, not all the facts are known and mey never be
pyro31191 (6:31:39 PM): The only thing Saddam has been rightfully accused of is running oppresive ways.
pyro31191 (6:31:53 PM): And we shouldn't do jack **** about it.
pyro31191 (6:32:05 PM): Because it's thats country's business.
pyro31191 (6:32:40 PM): Even if we don't like it, it doesn't mean we should stroll in and capture and arrest the dictator.
Skater1S4 (6:32:52 PM): well apperantly we have no control over that, =O, and i just made your point-_-
pyro31191 (6:33:04 PM): We are just being the big rich bully.
pyro31191 (6:33:12 PM): See, you can't really escape that fact.
Skater1S4 (6:34:20 PM): i still believe in this country and i will alweays stand by it, maybe i cant escape that fact but its not going to make me not like the gov. or country
pyro31191 (6:35:09 PM): I believe in this country and I always will stand by it, but I will not always stand by the government and the president.

[MalReynolds]

Well, I'm glad this turned into a "Make Falcon Feel Dumb" thread as opposed to a Critical Thinking thread.


pyro31191 (6:31:39 PM): The only thing Saddam has been rightfully accused of is running oppresive ways.
pyro31191 (6:31:53 PM): And we shouldn't do jack (#$% about it.
pyro31191 (6:32:05 PM): Because it's thats country's business.
pyro31191 (6:32:40 PM): Even if we don't like it, it doesn't mean we should stroll in and capture and arrest the dictator.


Yes, quite so. We should never interfere with another country, especially when their dictator is killing hundreds of thousands. I'm sure the Jewish population of Germany would agree, too.

Mal

[suicidalmuskrat]

whew. good thing the 2nd holocaust is over.....according to mal. Why did we choose that country, at that time? Sadaam wasn't tied to alquida, he didn't attack us, didn't have weapons of mass destruction. good war on terrorism.

[MalReynolds]

I'm sorry that it takes nothing short of a holocaust for someone to step in and say "Murdering your own people for voicing dissent is wrong". By all means, kill people that don't agree with you if you can get away with it!

Mal

[jewpinthethird]

"Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightest of empires...but what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes, that nothing lasts forever...."

- Mumia Abu-Jamal

[vashthestampede0987]

Ok Mal, So I wasn't as specific in my words. Note that I said at the top that I wasn't applying myself that much. Notice how my answers lack in detail.

[deltro300111]

I'm quite certain that we've reached peak oil, so I predict that America will fail, or start sucking in about 100 years, but we will outlast most other countries. (China, and other countries who haven't gone through a Demographic transition.)

[falconsfan14]

Well, I'm glad this turned into a "Make Falcon Feel Dumb" thread as opposed to a Critical Thinking thread.


pyro31191 (6:31:39 PM): The only thing Saddam has been rightfully accused of is running oppresive ways.
pyro31191 (6:31:53 PM): And we shouldn't do jack (#$% about it.
pyro31191 (6:32:05 PM): Because it's thats country's business.
pyro31191 (6:32:40 PM): Even if we don't like it, it doesn't mean we should stroll in and capture and arrest the dictator.


Yes, quite so. We should never interfere with another country, especially when their dictator is killing hundreds of thousands. I'm sure the Jewish population of Germany would agree, too.

Mal

Doesnt bother me at all, im entitled to my opinion.

[deltro300111]

Well, I'm glad this turned into a "Make Falcon Feel Dumb" thread as opposed to a Critical Thinking thread.


pyro31191 (6:31:39 PM): The only thing Saddam has been rightfully accused of is running oppresive ways.
pyro31191 (6:31:53 PM): And we shouldn't do jack (#$% about it.
pyro31191 (6:32:05 PM): Because it's thats country's business.
pyro31191 (6:32:40 PM): Even if we don't like it, it doesn't mean we should stroll in and capture and arrest the dictator.


Yes, quite so. We should never interfere with another country, especially when their dictator is killing hundreds of thousands. I'm sure the Jewish population of Germany would agree, too.

Mal

Doesnt bother me at all, im entitled to my opinion. Your opinion sucks so much, you don't get a witty insult.

BTW- Humanity is Humanity, even if they are across the world. Help your fellow man.

[The_Q]

I do apologize for the conversation. I was not myself. I've been planning for a trip recently and I've been horribly stressed. Falcon, Mal, CT, I'm sorry. I've done wrong.

Now that I've covered that, allow me to explain what the bull**** thing was all about. Who's to tell us what America's goal is? Our very own First Amendment gives us the ability to dislike Freedom or anything else. There is no way to say that everyone in America supports one thing. There will always be someone who disagrees. That, my friends, is why it's bull****. I certainly do enjoy the Independence and the Freedom, but I know that it is not our cause and it is not what we stand for.

Again, I'm sorry for insulting. It's really not like me.

Q

[GuidoHunter]

I'm with Falcon in that I believe America will never fall. So what if history shows that empires fall? The world's a different place now and there is no absolute, unbreakable rule regarding the decline of empires.

Oh, and Deltro, ridding the world of Saddam Hussein helped a whole freakin' lot of people.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[wwwJ4mmYcouk]

Im sure if america gets in trouble a bit... england will help u out :-p

What do u lot think of England by the way? Any of you ever been here?

[jewpinthethird]

Im sure if america gets in trouble a bit... england will help u out :-p

What do u lot think of England by the way? Any of you ever been here?

Englands pretty cool (literally too). But I liked Scotland more. During my visit I felt relatively safe everywhere I went...except in Dublin. One thing that kind of erked me about England was the fact that they wont hurry up and adapt Euros. And I loved Edinburgh, I honestly would like to live there.

About the whole "America is going to fall" jazz....I dont think it will "fall" as much as other countries will catch up to us and eventually surpass us economically. Why? Because America isnt a team player...and GWB's big "**** you" to the U.N. pissed of the rest of the world.

I dont want to argue about this, so to anyone who wants to dispute what I have said, my response is "Shut up. I dont care what you think. Yeah, call me ignorant...or arrogant...or whatever the hell you want, I still dont care what you think."

[BountyHunterSAx]

BTW- Humanity is Humanity, even if they are across the world. Help your fellow man

That's the grossest oversimplification i've heard in ages.

You see, nobody disagrees with the idea of being good to others...it's a matter of deciding what being good really is. If somebody had decided to "be good" to the Jews (their fellow 'man') and eliminate hitler, how would they be "being good" to the Germans, their other "fellow men"?

-AHMAD

[Sudden2]

AMERICA WILL NOT END IN WAR, IT WILL END BY NATURE.

Ok, all of you are saying "America will die by declining" and 'in war.'


Well sorry to burst your bubble, and not to sound morbid but we ultimately will be destroyed by the World's most captivating place on earth:

YELLOWSTONE

America is literally sitting on a timebomb that is going to go off in a couple hundered years.

Already Yellowstone is changing, and leading scientists arern't lying about this supervolcano blowing its top.



Once Yellowstone goes off, the shock waves will spread far enough to rattle the rocky mountains and decimate cities and towns, the blast and its contents will send mountain full amounts of debris everywhere, going almost mach 1 in speed, destroying everything in a 500-1000 mile radius of yellowstone. Enough ash will be thrown into the air to cover the Earth twice and it will cover EVERYTHING in America. All of the major plantations will be killed, livestock obviously won't survive, water will be tainted. Universal famine, a lot of countries depend on our trade, and when we lose our plantations, we need it for ourselves, national bankruptcy, and overall chaos.

Also, the weather will be massively screwed up, sending ice layers as far down to Canada in the winter.



Most obviously, in my mind, this is what will happen. Feel free to critique what I said, this is what I belive and it is a scientific fact.

[GuidoHunter]

I see. And the Illuminati are causing this, right?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

I see. And the Illuminati are causing this, right?

Sarcasm, for the win!


Yeah, that's basically bull****. Find me a reputable science news source that says that, and I will belive you.

Try Science, Scientific American, and others. Go. Do it.

[Sudden2]

Ok here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4326987.stm

here are some excerpts:

A super-eruption is also five to 10 times more likely to happen than an asteroid impact, the report claims.
The authors want to highlight the issue, which they feel is being ignored by governments. They emphasise that while catastrophic eruptions of this kind are rare in terms of a human lifetime, they are surprisingly common on a geological scale.
The fallout from a super-eruption could cause a "volcanic winter", devastating global agriculture and causing mass starvation.
Contingency plans

Highways become blocked with cars as millions flee the unfolding disaster, and as the chain of eruptions unzips Yellowstone's volcanic crater, hundreds of thousands are killed as the ash swamps whole towns and cities.

Yellowstone geyser, USGS
Yellowstone is the largest volcanic system in North America
America's food-producing regions are devastated, communications are knocked out and planes are forced out of the sky.

Sulphuric acid droplets form in the atmosphere, blocking out sunlight, and causing global temperatures to plummet.

Professor Stephen Sparks, of Bristol University, an author on the new report, said civil contingency plans would need to be similar to those for a nuclear war.

"You would need contingencies for food and shelter. But you would need to put a serious amount of resources into any effort to cope with an event on this scale, so it poses a dilemma," he said.

The volcanic winter resulting from a super-eruption could last several years or decades, depending on the scale of an eruption, and according to recent computer models, could cause cooling on a global scale of 5-10C.



Of course you are more than welcome to read the whole article, and I found some more info, but you have to subscribe to get it. Oh well.

[leadafro]

Falcon, I don't understand why you would be offended by something like this. Eventually everything will come to an end. Just like the Earth my some day come to an end, however, that will be MANY MANY years from now but still, it will come to an end.

I, on the other hand, do think America will someday fall. It could be under the control of another country more powerful than us or some killer disease could come and wipe out a majority of us (very unlikely however).
true that homie

[Meteor858]

I believe that nothing can go on forever and that the same thing shown in the Roman Empire will happen to the U.S.
We get big and powerful
Civil wars break out
People die
Terrorism becomes widespread and last but not least...
...WE ALL GO BOOM!
or in the words of System of a Down...
-Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Why must we kill our own child?

Exactly...

[GuidoHunter]

Remember, Meteor, we aren't the Roman empire. We know that lead is unhealthy.

Also, our system of government is so unique that the idea of civil uproar is not a threat. Our system cannot follow a precedent that doesn't exist.

Remember, the Mongol Empire, which was FAR stronger than ANY empire to precede it, stopped (for lack of a better word) because its leader died, nothing else, pacifying them for unknown reasons.

And Meteor, regarding the lyrics you posted, read my response in your other thread. Now, it has nothing to do with how you COMPLETELY misinterpreted (misread) the lyrics, but whatever...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MonkeyFoo]

Sudden2, while you say that your assertion is scientific fact, you're missing one key part of that theory: we don't know when, or even certainly if, that will happen. If yellowstone goes kablooie in a thousand years, the States could be gone by then already. Of course, I don't mean to say it's not a possibility, or that the US will certainly fall in a thousand years.

The assertion that yellowstone exploding is 10 times more likely than an asteroid strike is just that, an assertion. There is no solid proof for that figure, no calculus to find the probability of Yellowstone erupting.

And, there is a lot more food in the world than gets to people. There is already lots of starvation in poorer parts of the world, and we have enough food to last us for a long time if old yeller does go up, plus importation. So, mass starvation isn't what we should be worrying about. Monkey.

Next, I agree with q and guido. I don't know much about global economics, but china's steel buys have raised the cost of structural steel by some 25%. All of a sudden, it costs another 10 million dollars to finish the addition to my high school. Ni hung beng, you chinese people.

[Sudden2]

Yellowstone is expected to blow in 100-10,000 years so it is difficult to tell, plus, the decimation from the blast will destroy everything in the middle of the US to Texas in a matter of days, importation would be really hard because all of our harbors would be full of ash.

As the leading first world country, we most likely will live to see the explosion, and when it does, we will regret it.



And Yellowstone WILL erupt. If a corrupt government or national war doesn't get to us first, yellowstone will.

People just don't like to admit that Yellowstone will explode, just like people don't like to admit that most of our national money came from things we outlaw to everyone else.

[russell35]

world or civil???

any world war is a civil war....because america pwns all. america is the world.

america and canada i mean...and i guess mexico can tag along a couple feet behind us

but do i think it will fall. well all good things must come to an end....

except america...america is forever.

though the goverment may have some problems... the 56 presedent will end all world hunger...and by world hunger i mean americas hunger problems.

and the goverment wil change forever...they will no longer be money craving old guys. they will be punetang craving young guys.

and instead of going to war for money..they will keep to themselves


we will get along with other contries. because america will stop being greedy. and start being horny.....younger people in the white house!!!


without reading what i said i dont remember what i was talking about so this is clearly a horribly thought out a rant

[jewpinthethird]

world or civil???

any world war is a civil war....because america pwns all. america is the world.

america and canada i mean...and i guess mexico can tag along a couple feet behind us

but do i think it will fall. well all good things must come to an end....

except america...america is forever.

though the goverment may have some problems... the 56 presedent will end all world hunger...and by world hunger i mean americas hunger problems.

and the goverment wil change forever...they will no longer be money craving old guys. they will be punetang craving young guys.

and instead of going to war for money..they will keep to themselves


we will get along with other contries. because america will stop being greedy. and start being horny.....younger people in the white house!!!


without reading what i said i dont remember what i was talking about so this is clearly a horribly thought out a rant

Wow, I cant tell if you are trying to be funny, or just genuinely stupid. Dont post trash like this ever again in the Critical Thinking Forum. Ever.

[Cenright]

This is where I have a belief in Jehovah's Word, that Armegeddon actually IS coming. And so I have no problem saying that America wont fall to any country. Because it will fall that the same time that all other countries are falling.

[Specforces]

China will most definitely become a world power in the near future.


America will not last forever, nothing lasts forever. I love America, I serve in the Military, but to believe that this nation will last forever is pretty niave.

[alainbryden]

Inevitably, the United States will lose their economic dominance over the world. Probably before my life is over. China and Japan will gain this. With economic power comes political and military power of course.

[jewpinthethird]

For some reason, I dont see Japan becoming the next economic super power. Yeah, they dominate in electronics, but so does Korea. And most of the Japanese "imports" are assembled in America or Australia. Japan is to dependent on imports, lackign the one thing that any nation needs to become an economic superpower: natural resources.

[Layla-Day]

Cenright, me and you have the same beliefs, but its not my job to ruin this thread by sharing my religious beliefs, starting some big off-topic argument resulting in locking this thread, so this time I'll think like a non-believer.

I think that a few countries will try to overtake us, causing some type of World War III. Then, we probably will fall because we aint got our **** together enough to be trying to helping people overseas when we still need to help the people here.

These are my personal opinions, so dont try to argue about my beliefs because you are only going to look like a jackass arguing with someone and I'm still gonna believe the same thing, because it always happens.

[zajac]

I think that I shall just use an example of our current situation with oil... Aherm...

Oil prices are going up, and from an economic standpoint, many analysts don't really see the prices dropping at all... And with the way things are going, they will just continue to rise over time...

As time passes by, and oil being the scarce resource that it is, we will then have to switch over to other forms of fuel... Those others being electric cars... If electri cars were to begin being used as a MAJOR form of transportation, and oil will begiun to become a thing of the past, government will then have to tax people differently...

How will we be taxed differently? A rise in oil taxes for one, and then a rise in electric taxes and such, and THEN the governemt has thought about charging not only on electric bills and the works, but a tax according to how many miles we drive...

I've only barely begun to touch on the subject...

Think about it...

[Varia]

If you go to Japan and drive around and see a lot of different parts of the country, you will see that it just can't become a huge, huge world power. Just by looking at the houses and observing their daily habits and things like that, it is in my opinion that Japan just can't go much higher on the world scale.

And to be honest, Japan isn't really high tech. It's really low tech actually. Japan just has a lot of things that make life easier, and more comfortable. For example, the majority of houses have toilets with bidets or whatever. You know, the things that squirt water on your butt or whatever. On the contrary, most Japanese houses do not have dryers. They all hang their clothes out to dry, even in big cities like Tokyo and Osaka and Nagoya. Just because they have awesome cell phones and it takes a long time for their games to get to other countries doesn't make them high tech.

As far as America goes, it's going to be #1 until a new envy of the world pops up. Or Yellowstone erupts. Or whatever.

I'll be dead before America goes under.

[jewpinthethird]

If you go to Japan and drive around and see a lot of different parts of the country, you will see that it just can't become a huge, huge world power. Just by looking at the houses and observing their daily habits and things like that, it is in my opinion that Japan just can't go much higher on the world scale.

And to be honest, Japan isn't really high tech. It's really low tech actually. Japan just has a lot of things that make life easier, and more comfortable. For example, the majority of houses have toilets with bidets or whatever. You know, the things that squirt water on your butt or whatever. On the contrary, most Japanese houses do not have dryers. They all hang their clothes out to dry, even in big cities like Tokyo and Osaka and Nagoya. Just because they have awesome cell phones and it takes a long time for their games to get to other countries doesn't make them high tech.

As far as America goes, it's going to be #1 until a new envy of the world pops up. Or Yellowstone erupts. Or whatever.

I'll be dead before America goes under.

One thing I'd like to add, I dont think Automatic Garage Door openers are big in Japan either. Given the girl I hosted was from an extremely rural area of Japan, still, come on, she'd never seen an automatic garage door!

[Cenright]

I think that I shall just use an example of our current situation with oil... Aherm...


Many of you people forget, that when there are dire times, people make things change.

They know how to convert cars to natural gas. They were doing it in the 60's even. The reason it hasn't gotten big, is because the Oil companies have money in the government bureaucracies.

Oil is no problem at all. There are already things that could take over, AND natural gas is a renewable resource and is CLEAN BURNING. What more could you ask for? Instead of looking for solution, people scream "CRISIS!!!!" so and the oil companies make more money.

The only crisis there is, is finding a way to get people to see that there is no crisis. The oil companies are loving it.

[The_Q]

lackign the one thing that any nation needs to become an economic superpower: natural resources.

England imported many of its resources during its height. Then again, it was under a mercantilist system then.

Q

[ringzing]

america will fall to itself unfortunatley we are doing what the romans did we started going to war and then we met a greater forse and were distroyed

[MalReynolds]

MalReynolds came out of retirement to say:

I also think the stark decline in education is a reason we will be... distroyed.

Mal

[jewpinthethird]

MalReynolds came out of retirement to say:

I also think the stark decline in education is a reason we will be... distroyed.

Mal

Zing.

[LegendaryDJ]

Yes, ofcourse, to all your responses. Yes we could go into a civil war depopulating and destroying ourselves, Yes we could go into a war with North Korea, China, Britian(not likely), Canada, ect......

But, What about those of religous beliefs? It is said that one day the lord will shake the earth greatly and send forth the return of the messiah to send his message. Known as the great and terrible day of the lord. The day when earth is in it's final war. There are many things that could already be a sign of this war such as us and Iraq, North Korea, and many other places. If this continues could it trigger a World War III? As the age of man comes crashing down. But then who says it will. It is only a possibility. But if it did, that doesn't nessicarely mean it is the last war of our time? All things end. After they end. A new becomes the beginning. Also, I have been reading some things about the apocalypse and how it gives some sort of clues in the Roman Catholic Bible. But, that is for another thread i suppose. But if your interested in things like that or Nostradamus and his prediction of 9/11. Then talk to me on my AIM screen name: DJ2570