TWG III - The Backstabbing Buccaneers - End of Day 7 Victory

[chardish]

Long has the name of Captain Sam Dawkins been feared among those traversing the trade routes from the British Isles to Spain and Portugal. The only thing more feared than the galleon that sails under his black flag is the scimitar he wields against those who dare oppose him.

But alas, British ships did lay a trap for poor Captain Dawkins, and, narrowly escaping with his life, he clung to a plank for two days and two nights until it finally drifted to shore near the southern Spanish coast.

In the black markets did he lurk, seeking to find men who would prove worthy shipmates. Many were so enamored by the feared pirate's fame that they signed up without a second thought. In the dead of night did they steal a fine worthy vessel and off to sea they went in search of booty and plunder.

Then, the first night at sea, there was a horrible scream heard amid the otherwise constant creak of hull and crash of wave. When the men were roused from their slumber, they found no one standing near the slashed figure of Lightdarkness. Cap'n Dawkins rallied all to the deck.

"Allstarboard, men, shape up! I hired ye because I thought ye were th' finest bunch o' landlubbers I`ve e'er seen, an' I wanted ye t' swashbuckle by me side. Y'arr, but it turns out, some o' ye be nothin' more than traitorous bilge rats, so I`m gonna be havin' one o' ye walk th' plank each day until this nonsense stops.

Now! I may be th' strongest man who e'er sailed th' seas, but I`m certainly nay th' finest investigator. Thar be some among ye who I hired fer yer cunning, an' I expect ye messdeck lawyers o' ye t' use yer skills at deduction t' help figure this one out. Ye hear? O' course, I`m nay goin' t' tell ye who them swabbies be, fer fear they's might be killed. Now understand! I`m nay goin' t' let a bunch o' traitorous scallawags steal me ship, so get t' work! Find out who killed Lightdarkness! Ye scurvy dogs who ortin' t' be keel hauled!"

I'm sure all o' ye are lookin' fer a full crew listin', so here ye be:
87x
aleco
Blahblah18
Cenright
CStarFlare
CypherToorima
Flawofhumanity
Flypie743
GuidoHunter
hydrojakep
ImEric12
Kefit
Kilgamayan
QreepyBoris
roopert
SleeplessDragn
Tasselfoot
The_Q
Zildjian113

Ye all heard yer Cap'n. It now be Day 1, and ye've got 24-36 hours. Ye best make smartly t' work, ye lazy rats!

[lightdarkness]

you've got to be kidding me

Oh well, glad to be of such great help.

[blahblah18]

Arrowed! except no arrows were used...

[chardish]

Clarification on the rules: AIM conversation about game strategy and decision-making is allowed, but not after you're dead. Otherwise wolves wouldn't be able to kill people as a means of silencing them.

[Tasselfoot]

oh, oh, oh.... argh me mateys... the limey bastard was forced to walk the plank.... tis a sad day indeed.

those backstabbin' blokes shall meet their maker, if i've got a breath in my body.

[blahblah18]

and if you haven't?!! I think Tass might be a zombie in disguise... just something to think about people

[Kilgamayan]

This is going to get really annoying, really fast. Why did I sign up for this again?

Anyway. Throwing darts...

*OnlineHost*: bjstrattonIM rolled 1 19-sided die: 13

Er, no, I'm not voting for me.

*OnlineHost*: bjstrattonIM rolled 1 6-sided die: 6

CypherToorima, I vote you! :O

[roopert]

bummer, LD. Just to get things rolling I'll throw my random vote at Zildjian113

[ImEric12]

hmmm... random vote: aleco.

[zildjian133]

Random vote # 4 hydrojakep oh yeah and why is my first letter capitalized?

[87x]

Randomness is godlyness.. The_Q... is th one I pick.

[aleco]

SleeplessDragn is my vote.

[Tasselfoot]

hey guys..... is anyone going to talk? or just randomly vote. because, randomly voting is what kills all the humans.

i at least will hold off voting until i have something besides 100% randomness to go on.

[zildjian133]

yeah i was about to say random voting is going to get anyone anywhere :\

[aleco]

It's not like we have a choice...

[Tasselfoot]

no, not really aleco.... but, you and i talking now is some form of communication other than random voting. it will lead to other talking. so, this is a start.

[aleco]

I guess it is.

[Kilgamayan]

no, not really aleco.... but, you and i talking now is some form of communication other than random voting. it will lead to other talking. so, this is a start.

And this conversation stemmed from random voting.

It's not as useless as you'd think. ;D

[aleco]

Wow this is some critical thinking...

[zildjian133]

So aleco what are you?

[aleco]

I am your mom.
whoops I let the secret out.

[zildjian133]

Hmmmm, my mom?

[blahblah18]

Ok time for my awesome speculation to start the ball rolling... Why would the wolves choose to axe LD first? It leads to 2 paths of thinking mayhaps, that either all the wolves are new players, which would mean they don't really know how each person plays or what they mean so they kill LD as the most recognizable name on the list.... or the wolves are something like Tass Q Kilga, and then the next one left is LD... Obviously this is all random speculation but its to show you that even day 1 you have stuff to go on and you should use that knowledge to your advantage

[GuidoHunter]

I vote zild because he actually believed that I'm a girl.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[zildjian133]

Wait how did you get Tass Q and Kilga to kill LD? Oh haha I was uh kidding guido...

[Cenright]

LD died early last game too, so it could have been to keep him out of starting anything again.
(Although the wolves would have to see that just cause LD has a role once doesnt mean he has a role a second time, since it is all the luck of the draw.)

The second idea is that one or more of the wolves knows or is known by LD, and so he was offed to secure cover for the wolves.
(This would put suspicion on those people closer to him though.)

[The_Q]

Arrr, blokes. I hav' ta vote far da one who's da random. She's da flypie. Women arr bad luck on meh ships!

Q

[blahblah18]

Q wins for hilariousness... oh is that bolded?

[QreepyBORIS]

I vote for myself. My actions seem to be suspiciously counterintuitive.

[The_Q]

Arrrg, I've been a tryin' ta make meh posts funniar. Arrrr...

Q

[hydrojakep]

Y'ar. I'r be cast'n mi vot to Tasselfoot

He just acts so guilty.

[QreepyBORIS]

He just acts so guilty.

Especially last game, but oddly it was then tat he was NOT a wolf....

[Tasselfoot]

well, isn't the point of the game to insure you never know WHAT i am?

and... if it wasn't obvious by the middle of last game that i was human... you really are hopeless for this game.


that aside... my logic on LDs death:
it makes me think the wolves are smarter than last game. last game, they were clearly stupid. kagome, qreepy, and sleepless.... their voting was bad. plain bad. starting with snapps seemed completely random... and going for emccky on night 3... but, i digress.

killing LD is a very good move on night 1. trying to kill me is dumb, since i'm the most likely choice to be guardianed... and, hopefully i will continue to be guardianed, as i will be a likely target in the next few nights in the hopes that the guardian laxes on protecting me. and, next to me, LD is the most active person in this game (he's probably more active than i am)... so, by killing him on night 1, you silence him before he can begin.... and thereby cut short one very strong link in the human chain... so, from that logic, i'm inclined to think the wolves are more intelligent than last game (although, no offense... i don't think they could get less intelligent). or, at least... they have 1 strong wolf with intelligence who explained the logic that i said above.

i still don't know who to vote for... :-/

edit: and, just so you know hydro... i had an extremely good strategy last game, no? managed to get the humans a victory. i intend to make it 2 in a row. so, i may act "guilty", whatever that means... i say that i'm open about my instincts in the goal of greater good. even if i get killed, i hope that my information and theorizing will lead to the human victory.

[aleco]

Maybe LD was a wolf and they got rid of him to throw us off.

[Kefit]

Random vote # 4 hydrojakep oh yeah and why is my first letter capitalized?

yeah i was about to say random voting is going to get anyone anywhere :\

What?

I'm sorry, but something really bugs me about this. My vote at the moment goes to zildjian133

[flypie743]

i had an extremely good strategy last game, no? managed to get the humans a victory.

Wasn't just you :< thx for rememberin da awesome seer.

[blahblah18]

hey I was awesome too... umm not really, but not my fault :)

[ImEric12]

aleco: while that would seem to be a good strategy, it would also set the wolves back a person extremely early in the game. I don't think anyone in their right mind would actually do that..

[blahblah18]

by the way... how many wolves are there in this game.. 3 or 4?

[Tasselfoot]

4.

and flypie.... much love, but you ignored most everything i suggested. :-*

[The_Q]

Arrr, an da syekick did nothin'? Avast, scallywag, ye are wrong on tha' no'e.

That's enough of that. Like Tass says, watch your heads. LD is first down. That's a bad sign.

Q

[zildjian133]

kefit i had no choice but to do a random vote its the first round every vote is random, which sucks because we're most likely going to hang a human the first round :\ see what I was saying?

[flypie743]

and flypie.... much love, but you ignored most everything i suggested. :-*

Not everything ;) lol

[CypherToorima]

Yar.

The_Q

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting, Y'arr.

Zildjian: GuidoHunter, Kefit, Roopert (3)
The Q: 87x, Blahblah, CypherToorima (3)
Hydrojakep: Zildjian (1)
Tasselfoot: Hydrojakep (1)
Aleco: ImEric (1)
Flypie: The Q (1)
CypherToorima: Kilgamayan (1)
QreepyBORIS: QreepyBORIS (1) (???)

Still to vote: Cenright, CStarFlare, Flawofhumanity, Flypie, Sleeplessdragn, Tasselfoot (6)
24 hours ends at 11 AM EST Wednesday (after which point votes will be counted if one person has 50% or everyone has voted)
36 hours ends at 11 PM EST Wednesday (everyone must vote by 36 hours)

[ImEric12]

I think I'm gonna change my vote to The Q... I just don't trust him for some reason =\

[flypie743]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting, Y'arr.

You forgot the TM :<

[The_Q]

So the wolves are intelligent, right? I guess my paranoia will pay off this game.You're rather correct about Zildjan. I think I'll have to change my vote. Lose the lack of luck, or take out a suspicious wolfie like person? I think I'll follow Tass on this one. They do seem smart. Unfortunately, I don't view zild as being part of the higher ranks, intellectually speaking (sorry, man). My vote stands. Sorry Fly.

Q

EDIT: I won't fight to stay alive this round. All you'll lose is a good thinker.

[flypie743]

Fine then, I vote Q :P.

[The_Q]

Get o'er to be noogied, you little bugger!

Q

[CStarFlare]

Maybe LD was a wolf and they got rid of him to throw us off.

No.

First off, the entire concept of wolves killing each other is stupid. I can't think of a single time when the wolves have killed one of their own, and for a good reason. There are a very limited number of wolves, and unless the situation is dire, they want to save each other if at all possible. Killing someone in the night is not trying to save each other if at all possible.

Second, no one's going to agree to be killed buy their own team. Unless someone's totally sick of the game, they try to stay in it.

Third, it's the first night. If there actually is a situation where the wolves killing one of their own would be a good idea, it wouldn't occur before anything happened.

Not to mention that if LD is as good as everyone seems to think (I'm going to take your guys' word for it), his team would want him to stick around.

I'm sorry if I'm overreacing, but my head just explodes when someone suggests that the wolves are killing each other in a clever attempt to confuse us.

Now, killing a player who's experiance or considered good isn't especially smart. Not that it's stupid, but it's not rocket science- it's just common sense.

It does, however, at least require an idea who's experianced/good, which implies that at least one wolf is someone who's played with LD before. I was going to make a list, but that turned out to be pretty long, so I'm going to skip it and note that aleco is on it.

So between the point that aleco is suggesting things that are way, way out there and that he's played with LD before and therefore would know that he would be a threat to the wolves if he were a human (which he obviously was), I'm going to vote for him.

(Too much to write for a round one post? Probably :P)

[CypherToorima]

uhh....


He was joking.

You over reacted, but atleast you are thinking.

[CStarFlare]

Ah. I didn't think he was joking since I've seen people make that same suggestion seriously before. X_x

Anyway, I'm going to keep my vote because I don't know who else I'd vote for.

[zildjian133]

I don't view zild as being part of the higher ranks, intellectually speaking (sorry, man).

lol I'm glad I'm a dumbass

[CypherToorima]

The excuse "I'm an intellegent thinker, you'll just be hurting yourself" is wearing old. It's brought up too often. We already know you are a smart person, so there is no need to remind us. So I would think that it would be the wolfy mentallityto try to bring this up early and often.

So that's why my vote stays with The_Q

[blahblah18]

no actually its the I'm awesome mentality.. I would nkow quite a bit about said mentality

[Tasselfoot]

just for the record.... as someone who has taken the same attitude as Q.... i don't get the point in targeting one person over another, especially in the first round, based on the fact that they are intelligent.... if anything, thats cause to NOT vote for that person in the first round where one has little information to go on... why would the humans want to get rid of the smart people?

i've yet to see any evidence one way or the other to give me any feelings about anyone being a wolf.

[CypherToorima]

Eh...I'm going to agree with tassel.

Basically, ignore what I've said. I was never really adamant about what I said, just throwing ideas out there.

I revoke my vote

[lightdarkness]

Eh...I'm going to agree with tassel.

Basically, ignore what I've said. I was never really adamant about what I said, just throwing ideas out there.

I revoke my vote

You can't revoke your vote, as per last game.

[CypherToorima]

oh, ok. Sorry.
vote stays The_Q

[QreepyBORIS]

My vote stands.

Actually, no, it goes to The Q.

Unless someone convinces me that it is me, after all.

[flawofhumanity]

As it is, everyone will be suspicious, but with no slips that I have noticed from the wolve(s), I will vote Cypher. I have no reason(s) to believe that he is a wolf at the moment, I don't want to vote for someone and be part of kicking him/her off without a decent chance of them being a wolf.

Edit: Had to make the name bold.

[aleco]

Hey chardish you forgot to include my vote
And I definetly was not being serious.

[Cenright]

I'm starting with Hydrojakep. Last game had about 8 pages for the first day, but people actually talked. This time, there is a lot less talking, and a lot more idle blabber, so it is harder to get any reads on people.

[Tasselfoot]

exactly cen.... i'll be holding my vote off until tomorrow evening, in the hopes of getting more banter out of people.

[blahblah18]

Banter... but seriously folks.. just wait like a little bit more and I bet some interesting stuff will happen.. it has to because..... *muses to himself*

[QreepyBORIS]

exactly cen.... i'll be holding my vote off until tomorrow evening, in the hopes of getting more banter out of people.

Vote for yourself.

Actually, maybe you shouldn't, 'cause everyone would bandwagon onto it. -_-

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™, Y'arr.
INSTA-LYNCH: requires 10 votes

The Q: 87x, Blahblah, CypherToorima, ImEric, QreepyBoris, Flypie (6)
Zildjian: GuidoHunter, Kefit, Roopert (3)
CypherToorima: Kilgamayan, flawofhumanity (2)
Hydrojakep: Zildjian, Cenright (2)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)
Aleco: CStarFlare (1)
Tasselfoot: Hydrojakep (1)
Flypie: The Q (1)

Still to vote: Sleeplessdragn, Tasselfoot (2)

[flypie743]

Fine then, I vote Q :P.

I already voted Chardish, you just missed it :P.

[blahblah18]

ok thats enoguh for now.. I don't want some instalynch happening whilst I'm not looking and my vote is now for IMeric look at his initial comments vs his initial comments the past 2 games.. I know its barely anything to go on, but what more do I have... plus he seemed quite eager to join the bandwagon while specifically giving a reason to make it look that he wasn't just bandwagoning.. just some more fodder

[The_Q]

Wow, 6 votes already. How is it I'm always ganged up on, anyway.

So, who started this campaign against me? IMeric, that's who. My paranoia tells me that voting me with a suspicion only is really rather odd. I'd like to know what that feeling is. Let me guess your next vote, Eric. Tasselfoot? He's intelligent and he organized the whole alliance last game.

Oh, and to point something out, I made around three guesses at wolves. Around three were wrong.

Q

[zildjian133]

He just made a random vote towards you. I don't see him having any incentive other than being random.... From what I can tell anyway :\

[The_Q]

I think I'm gonna change my vote to The Q... I just don't trust him for some reason =\

Random. Right.

Q

[zildjian133]

Oh I see what you're saying now.... hmmm I'm going to think about this....

[blahblah18]

hey Q , give me the credit, don't steal it.. do you not see what you're saying being listed directly above your post, aka my post? :) :)

[flypie743]

I only voted for Q because he voted for me :P

[aleco]

Has it been 36 hours yet?

[zildjian133]

24 hours

[87x]

I think I was actually the first person to vote for the Q.. but it was completely random.. and I didn't know I could hold my vote off till today..

Seeing as what everyone has said, there are a couple reasons to think a couple different people are wolfs..

As some people are bringing up really good points they are either looking like really good thinkers or really good deceivers..

The same with the people that aren't really saying anything.. they either look like idiots or someone who wants people to their name to make people think they are with us, but not post too much so that we don't really think of that person as a lead suspect..

I voted The Q because I didn't know about the insta-lynch thing.. If I would of known that us voting on someone, and it not being right got that person killed.. then I wouldn't of gone for him because he looks like he could be a valuable thinker to have.. but seeing as I can't revoke my vote then I guess Im going to stick with on and assume that he's the second part of my first thought..

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™, Y'arr.
INSTA-LYNCH: requires 10 votes

The Q: 87x, CypherToorima, ImEric, QreepyBoris, Flypie (5)
Zildjian: GuidoHunter, Kefit, Roopert (3)
CypherToorima: Kilgamayan, flawofhumanity (2)
ImEric: Blahblah, The Q (2)
Hydrojakep: Zildjian, Cenright (2)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)
Aleco: CStarFlare (1)
Tasselfoot: Hydrojakep (1)

Still to vote: Sleeplessdragn, Tasselfoot (2)

24 hours has expired. Votes will be counted when there is a 50% majority or greater, or when everyone has voted, or after 36 hours, whichever comes first.
36 hours ends at 11 PM EST today. Fail to vote by then and you get a phantom vote against you.

[aleco]

Now I think sleepless even more because he hasn't voted. I also don't want to get rid of Q. So my vote stands.

[blahblah18]

chardish oyu should remove my vote from Q

[zildjian133]

Oh yeah blahblah is up there twice.

[Cenright]

He did change it. His name is up there twice.

[Tasselfoot]

Trey (87x, for those not aware).... you are allowed to change your vote.

do you have any idea what is going on dude? clearly you haven't read the other 2 games, or it would have been obvious to you that you are allowed to change your vote. please read those 2 games and their post-game analysis so that you have a greater understanding of the nature of the game. this holds true for anyone who hasn't read them either.

so, since you want to change your vote... do so. but, be aware that once you make a vote, you can't un-vote. you can only change your vote.

[Kefit]

Ok, if Q is a wolf, then I imagine that there would be a voting block against someone in an attempt to save him. But there isn't. All of the other votes are spread between various people. Remember, there are four wolves this game, with four votes to use towards saving one of their own. That's a rather significant force, and one that I do not see any evidence of being in use now.

I see a few possibilities:

What if Q is a wolf, and the other wolves are letting him die to throw off suspicion? This would be idiotic. Assuming that Q is lynched, then after this coming night the game would be left with 17 players and 3 wolves, which is not a friendly ratio for the wolves. Furthermore, we all know Q is smart, and if he is a wolf, I very much doubt that the wolves would be so unreluctent to lose him.

What if the wolves are waiting to change their votes, or looking for the right oppurtunity to jump on someone else's bandwagon? Well, the only reason Q isn't dead yet is because Tass and Sleepless haven't voted yet. Even though Tass said he wouldn't vote until today, it was still a very real possibility that he could have voted last night anyway. No one knows anything about Sleepless, so his vote could have come at any time as well. The wolves cannot afford to put off saving Q, since he can die at any moment now.

Crap, I gotta run to class now. I might have something to add to this line of reasoning later.

[blahblah18]

I completely agree with kefit, except there is one other possibility... say Tass and Sleepless are both wolves, they wait until there's enough votes on someoen else and both jump on that person... not that I believe that, just rtht its a possibility

[Tasselfoot]

so you know blah... there are a few flaws in that theory.

1. i change my vote all the time, so just because i would have voted for one person doesn't mean i wouldn't change.
2. all i talk about is not bandwagoning votes, so why would i just jump on someone without some form of logic or reasoning.
3. sleepless is always quiet. he's been quiet for 2 full games already.
4. if i was a wolf, i would have blended myself in more already.
5. i've already said my reasons for not voting. i have nothing to go on and refuse to cast a random vote, or bandwagon for no good reason. kefit's logic makes alot of sense.

[blahblah18]

no tass, I agree with you completely, I'm just saying the possibility exists, thats all, and what kefit is talking about is the main reason I voted for Q.. as the first person to vote for someone that already had a vote, I wanted to see who else would think that there was a chance to cast a deciiding vote and push someone out, hence why my Real vote changed to Eric

[Kilgamayan]

As it stands now, The Q would not die as soon as Tass and sleepless cast their votes because at most he would have 7 which is not instalynch material. We're playing the game the normal way this round, so if no majority is reached by the time limit, the top two candidates are put in a run-off.

[Tasselfoot]

man, i'm glad i'm not up for the top2. i hate running.

[chardish]

You are partially correct, Kilga. After 11 PM EST tonight, voting is over no matter what.

24 hours is the first time limit. It marks the beginning of the time in which votes can be counted. After 24 hours the votes will be counted if there is a 50% majority or greater, or if everyone has voted.

36 hours is the final time limit. Votes will be counted at 36 hours no matter what, and the person with the most votes against them will be lynched even if there is no 50% majority.

[blahblah18]

hmmm really? they don't need a majority... thats rough
that makesit veeeery hard I think

[The_Q]

Wow, you found more reasons I'm not a wolf. Good job and thanks.

Seriously, I'm rather sure that IMeric is a wolf. First of all, he's smart, or at least smarter than the average wolf from last round (partially excluding Squeek. His closed mindedness is a tad off, though.) Anywho, I'd suspect him to take out LD and then try a campaign against me. Oh, and if I do survive, feel free to seer me. I'm not afraid.

Again, I won't fight for my life on this one. You know the costs, but at least you'll have peace of mind, right?

Q

[zildjian133]

I'll vote for IMeric I rather give the Q the benefit of the doubt :\

[QreepyBORIS]

Seriously, I'm rather sure that IMeric is a wolf. 1. First of all, he's smart, or at least smarter than the average wolf from last round

2. Again, I won't fight for my life on this one.
Q

1: Suck it.

2: Nifty. :P

[CypherToorima]

my vote goes to aleco

"It's not like we have a choice..." soumd like it could be finished "except if you're a wolf and know who not to vote for."
I might be reading to much into it, but there isn't much else to go off of, and I want to keep the Q

[flawofhumanity]

I noticed that a bit earlier about ImEric12, but decided to hold thoughts back unless somehting more came out. Seeing as I don't want to lose Q, and that Eric has atleast aroused more than my suspicions, I will vote for him.

[The_Q]

Qreepy, that's exactly the kind of post that makes me think down upon you. Thanks for giving me some evidence!

Q

EDIT: pwn'd

[sleeplessdragn]

ive read and reread the posts, and am still coming to conclusions. ill be voting before 11 (rather 8 where i live) tonight.

[The_Q]

Take your time. It's saving me my sorry tush.

Q

[ImEric12]

I'm smart? When did this happen?
But anyway..

I really don't think Q is a wolf anymore, but I dunno who to vote for at this point.

Also, if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my username right :P

[QreepyBORIS]

1.Qreepy, that's exactly the kind of post that makes me think down upon you. 2. Thanks for giving me some evidence!

Q

3. EDIT: pwn'd

1: Makes sense enough.

2: ??

3: ?

[aleco]

my vote goes to aleco

"It's not like we have a choice..." soumd like it could be finished "except if you're a wolf and know who not to vote for."
I might be reading to much into it, but there isn't much else to go off of, and I want to keep the Q

You love to vote for me. When will you learn?
My vote has changed to Cypher.

[CypherToorima]

:< I thought this was my first time to vote for you.

anyways, what you just did is pretty much forcing me to keep my vote for you, because, to me, it's like "Oh no...I gotta get cypher off of me because he is suspecting my wolfy-ness"

[aleco]

Hehe that was a joke...And you really did vote for me before. I was seeing how you would react, and I really keep my vote for Sleepless

[chardish]

Quit randomly vote-switching. I update a master text file in 2 places (individual voting sorted by voter, individual voting sorted by target) every time someone changes a vote, and you create more work for me when you switch votes twice within an hour as a joke just to be annoying. This sort of thing leads to problems on the vote count where people get counted twice, or not at all, or counted as voting for the wrong person. And this is going to be a very, very close vote. So stop.

[87x]

heh.. Everyone is changing off the Q..

By saying that he isn't fighting for his life, and giving all these reasons and with everyone protecting him.. It is indirectly saving his life.. lol.. pleading for his life would make him seem more like a wolf.. So what would he do??.. Not plead..

Im not saying he is a wolf and it would suck to lose him as a human.. but If I was a wolf and everyone jumped to get me off.. The best thing to do would not be to plead your innocence, but to make people think that you aren't pleading for your life, while indirectly doing so..

But whatever.. we will see what happens after the first night

[sleeplessdragn]

i vote for aleco because originally he voted for me and his last post makes him extremely suspicious to me.

[chardish]

Chardish votes for bolding the name of your vote target!

[QreepyBORIS]

Hypocrite. -_-

[Tasselfoot]

someone give me a current vote count please?

[aleco]

i vote for aleco because originally he voted for me and his last post makes him extremely suspicious to me.
I still voted for you, and my vote makes no difference at all in what the outcome will be.

[Tasselfoot]

ImEric: blah, flawof, q, zild (4)
Q: 87x, flypie, ImEric, Qreepy (4)
Zild: guido, kefit, roopert (3)
aleco: cstar, cypher, sleepless (3)
sleepless: aleco (1)
hydro: cenright (1)
tass: hydro (1)
cypher: kilga (1)


and... to make things fun... i vote aleco. 3-way tie for most votes. and, this locks it too.


ps - looks like your vote would have mattered now aleco....

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™, Y'arr.
INSTA-LYNCH: requires 10 votes

The Q: 87x, ImEric, QreepyBoris, Flypie (4)
ImEric: Blahblah, The Q, Zildjian, flawofhumanity (4)
Aleco: CStarFlare, Cyphertoorima, sleeplessdragn, Tasselfoot (4)
Zildjian: GuidoHunter, Kefit, Roopert (3)
CypherToorima: Kilgamayan (1)
Hydrojakep: Cenright (1)
Tasselfoot: Hydrojakep (1)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)

Here's how it's going to work. Runoff between The Q, ImEric, and Aleco. This runoff will last 90 minutes because seriously you idiots had 36 hours to make up your minds and not throw away votes to people who weren't getting kicked off anyway and I'm moderately pissed right now that certain players who will remain nameless have been intentionally delaying this vote as long as possible, and are now continuing to do so by intentionally generating three way ties. And #2 I don't want to stay up late on account of this game and #3 I don't want to start the "night" phase during the daytime tomorrow when most of you kiddies are at school. So this is what you're stuck with. Who cares about Day 1 votes this much anyway.

(19:23:18) TasselFoot: might vote for zild, just to add some real fun to your job.

WHOOPS I DIDN'T SAY THAT (that was before aleco and zild were tied at 3)

Guido, Kefit, Roopert, Kilgamayan, Cenright, Hydrojakep, Aleco: You have 90 minutes to change your vote to either Aleco, The Q, or ImEric. Whichever of them has the most votes at the end of that time frame dies, and you should be happy I'm not rolling dice to determine this one. NO ONE ELSE MAY CHANGE THEIR VOTE FOR ANY REASON.

ALSO TASS QUIT LOCKING THE TOPIC, WHEN A PLAYER HAS CONTROL OVER TALKING WITHIN THE GAME IT IS UNFAIR.

[roopert]

I change my vote to ImEric. I feel he contributes the least and don't want to risk getting rid of someone like Q. No offense, eric

[Tasselfoot]

damn you. you have absolutely no right to change the game like this, just because you have sand in your vagina. if you didn't want this to happen, you should have followed kilga's suggestion.

YOU ARE CHANGING THE RULES OF THE GAME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME. THAT IS COMPLETE BULLCRAP

do your little 3-way knife in the box. that is the way your rules state ties will be handled. any other way violates the rules, and i demand a no contest to this game if that is how you are going to be.


PS - my locking the thread after i voted CHANGED NOTHING! the rules clearly state that the voting ends after either 24 hours or the last vote is cast, whichever is later. i was the last vote. i voted, and locked the thread in accordance with THE RULES! if it was such a big deal, i easily could have waited til 35 hours and 59 minutes to cast my vote, with the exact same results... and you could have had the egotistical pleasure of locking the thread yourself.

[GuidoHunter]

ImEric12.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

personally... i think it would be much more entertaining if either:

a. no one changed their vote
b. kilga, cen, hydro, or aleco changed their vote to zildjian to make it a 4-way tie...

[chardish]

Let's discuss some things, shall we?

1) Immediately after voting you locked the topic even though it was not your place to do so. Now, if all votes were illegitimate after that, what would the point of locking the topic be? My only theory would be that it is to prevent the other players from discussing your vote until the next morning.

2) This sudden "change in the rules" is because you cannot hold a knife-in-box contest between three people.

3) You voted for Aleco just so you could create this little fix (a three-way tie), then you immediately locked the topic to prevent further discussion about it. Your previous comment about a four-way tie being entertaining confirms it. You cannot hold a knife-in-box contest between four people either.

4) Your entire attitude throughout this entire situation suggests that you are trying to exert an insane level of control over how this game is being played, much like how in the last game you demanded that you were treated exactly as I would treat the seer/psychic simply because you had an alliance with them.

5) Constantly bullying me into doing what you want is getting nowhere.

6) Anyone who's played TWG before will tell you that the moderator has had to make snap decisions in the interest of keeping the game fair, active, and engaging. Rather, you seem like you are trying to usurp the role of game moderator in an attempt to further your own plans, whatever they may be.

7) The day period is time for humans to make up their mind about who the most likely wolf candidate is. Alloting extra time for the humans to make up their minds instead of throwing away the vote to random chance would help the humans, don't you think?

[Tasselfoot]

1) Immediately after voting you locked the topic even though it was not your place to do so. Now, if all votes were illegitimate after that, what would the point of locking the topic be? My only theory would be that it is to prevent the other players from discussing your vote until the next morning.
no.. it was to adhere to the rules that the round ends after the last vote is cast. in both of the past games, the round has ended after the last vote was cast... or after 24 hours. if you wanted time for comments after the last vote, you should have made the rules "the round will end 30 minutes after the last vote is cast"

2) This sudden "change in the rules" is because you cannot hold a knife-in-box contest between three people.
should have thought of that before then... or used kilga's rule of needing 50% of the total votes.

3) You voted for Aleco just so you could create this little fix (a three-way tie), then you immediately locked the topic to prevent further discussion about it. Your previous comment about a four-way tie being entertaining confirms it. You cannot hold a knife-in-box contest between four people either.
i voted for aleco because i feel he is the most likely candidate for being a wolf. see above for why i locked it.

4) Your entire attitude throughout this entire situation suggests that you are trying to exert an insane level of control over how this game is being played, much like how in the last game you demanded that you were treated exactly as I would treat the seer/psychic simply because you had an alliance with them.
what attitude? i don't see myself exerting control.... i'm just looking for a little consistency. is that too much to ask? for the moderator to follow his own rules? and, last game... if you didn't want to tell me something, you didn't have to. i wasn't torturing you.

5) Constantly bullying me into doing what you want is getting nowhere.
i merely ask you... you have chosen to listen to my suggestions... and are now trying to blame me for them.

6) Anyone who's played TWG before will tell you that the moderator has had to make snap decisions in the interest of keeping the game fair, active, and engaging. Rather, you seem like you are trying to usurp the role of game moderator in an attempt to further your own plans, whatever they may be.
i only played the game once before here, so i wouldn't know. all i know is that you have rules. and now you are choosing to ignore them. perhaps you'll find other ways to stretch or bend the rules in the future. i'm just looking for consistency. no where have i said anything about wanting to be the moderator.

7) The day period is time for humans to make up their mind about who the most likely wolf candidate is. Alloting extra time for the humans to make up their minds instead of throwing away the vote to random chance would help the humans, don't you think?
but you aren't allowing for that. you are only allowing for a select few people to vote for a select few people.... so, it may be helpful. it may also not be helpful. i have no sure way of knowing. if you really wanted it to be so fair though, perhaps you should make the day 100 hours long, instead of 24. to help insure everyone has a strong motive behind their vote. all you've done here is put pressure on people to vote for someone who they didn't origionally want to vote for.

[chardish]

Doing the 50% rule would have forced people to vote for someone they didn't want to anyway. You have been a sower of discord. If you honestly thought Aleco was a wolf then why would you want a 4-way tie - even less of a chance of a wolf getting voted off?

Forget it, consider that a rhetorical question. I'm sick of getting emotionally worked up about a Day 1 vote, and so should you.

[CypherToorima]

:<

I don't want this game to end.

Why can't you do a knife in the box thing with three boxes, and someone puts a knife in one box, and if neither of them pick the knife, the guy who put the knife in the box is killed.

[CStarFlare]

should have thought of that before then... or used kilga's rule of needing 50% of the total votes.

Or maybe you shouldn't have been going out of your way to **** with things for the sake of making things "interesting."

I'm sorry, but since it's your deliberate "HAHAH A 3 WAY TIE WOULD BE SO HOT" vote that made Chardish change his vote, I don't really think you have a right to bitch.

i voted for aleco because i feel he is the most likely candidate for being a wolf.

to make things fun... i vote aleco

Am I misreading something here, or did your story just totally change?

but you aren't allowing for that.

Yes, he is. He's allowing us the chance to pick who we want to lynch out of the 3 instead of using the 100% random knife box.

In my opinion, doing the knife box, unless it's a last resort (IE: tie in a runoff), is stupid since it doesn't reflect who we really think was a wolf, just how lucky the survivor was.

Why can't you do a knife in the box thing with three boxes, and someone puts a knife in one box, and if neither of them pick the knife, the guy who put the knife in the box is killed.

What if both of them pick it? Do they both die?

And the person who puts it in the box would have a much better chance of survival than the other two if the only way he could die is if neither picks the box with the knife in it.

[Tasselfoot]

i was thinking that the whole time Cypher... wanted to see if chardish would be able to think outside the box (hehe) or would just continue on his merry way of disorder, chaos, and utter lack of care for the rules he himself set up just to try and upset me.... at the potential cost of the integrity of this entire game.

[Kilgamayan]

SPOILERS

ImEric dies.

Seriously, he got two votes after the runoff started, which was only supposed to go for 90 minutes, and no one else got any, so it would make things simplest if we just stopped now.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize there were still 30 minutes left.

[CypherToorima]

CStar, I was thinking about that, but if both pick it, I would think it would go into the normal knife-in-the-box.

[Kilgamayan]

Yes, let's drag this out even longer.

[CypherToorima]

Damnit >.<

I was just saying, if we had done the three way knife in the box in the first place, it might have saved time.

[Tasselfoot]

and... with the 3-way box... you aren't allowed to both pick the same box. duh. odds are completely even for all 3.

1 puts it in a box... then another selects 1 box. then the 3rd selects a seperate box. then the one who put the knife into the box gets whatever box wasn't selected. whoever has the knife gets killed.

this isn't god damn rocket science.... and if chardish didn't go off on his crazy power trip to me earlier, i would have told him about this then. but, he pissed me off instead.

[The_Q]

Look, I think that this idea could be improved upon, but it's the best we have. Tass and Char ought to drop it out of the thread, though. I don't want to hear their bickering.

Q

[chardish]

ImEric gets a look of visible anger on his face. "Ye think I`m a traitor?" he shouts at Captain Dawkins. "I, who'd give me life fer this ship in th' blink o' an eye?"

"This be nay me decision, matey," says Captain Dawkins. "I be havin' t' trust that me men be havin' made th' soundest decision they's can. An' if a sea captain canna trust his men, who can he trust? T' th' plank wi' ye."

ImEric steps on the plank. "I`ll swim t' safety! Ye`ll live t' regret this!" he shouts.

"Oh, ye didn`t think I was goin' t' let ye live, did I?" says the Captain, smartly producing a pistol. He shoots ImEric twice, one in each shoulder. ImEric falls to the plank, barely hanging on. "Canna be havin' ye swimmin' away like I did," he says. The Captain kicks the plank and ImEric loses his grip, falling to the sea. He vainly struggles to stay afloat but the pain in his shoulders has overwhelmed him and he is unable to move his arms without tremendous pain. The pains are insurmountable, and within seconds he has sunk.

"Break out th' whiskey, men! We may be havin' killed a traitor tonight!"

It is now Night 2. Wolves, seer, guardian - PM me with picks.

[chardish]

The Q comes frantically running out of his quarters to the crew assembled on the deck.

"Listen up, men! I be havin' news! I was attacked last night!" says Q.

"Attacked?" says Captain Dawkins. "'Ow? An' how come ye didn`t defend yersef?"

"Now look ye, I had one too many sips o` th' grog last night, an' I wasn`t exactly in th' soundest o' physic o` mental health. I could barely stand up straight, when this strange lookin` villian busts into me quarters an' starts slicin' me up wi' his rapier. Behold!"

Q throws up his shirt, revealing his bloody torso, still covered with many a fresh wound.

"'Ow'd ye live?" asks the Captain.

"I saw a figure come out o' th' shadows," says The Q. "He was lurkin' thar in me quarters, like he expected th' attacker t' show up. Fought him off, he did. Th' sea rat ran away before I could catch his face, an' so did th' man who guard'd me."

"What ortin' we do now?" asks Tasselfoot.

"Ye know what ye ortin' to be doin! Thar still be traitors here on me ship!" shouts the Captain. "Figure out who they's be! Ye swabby whuts!"

Congratulations to the guardian on the first successful pick in FFR TWG history. It is now Day 2.

Here's who's left:

87x
Aleco
Blahblah
Cenright
CStarFlare
CypherToorima
Flawofhumanity
Flypie
GuidoHunter
Hydrojakep
Kefit
Kilgamayan
QreepyBoris
Roopert
SleeplessDragn
Tasselfoot
The Q
Zildjian

[CypherToorima]

Heck yes to the Gaurdian. Good job. Anyways, there still isn't much to go off from the forum. And now we know the Q is human ;)

[QreepyBORIS]

Basically, we know they had something against The Q.

I also swear it was not me. XD


But we have had like nothing to go on anyway.

I withhold my vote.

[CypherToorima]

They may have not something against the Q, but the Q is a smart person, so they probably just wanted him off. It seems the wolves still follow that trend of whoever is the smartest. Now the question is, should the gaurdian gaurd him again?

[Kilgamayan]

My vote is for Tasselfoot.

He kinda stood up for The Q when he was getting several votes, so wouldn't seem likely that he'd tried to kill the guy.

That and he complained about random voting, which I've seen wolves do more than once.

[Tasselfoot]

i think you just have a hardon for getting rid of my kilga. suprised you didn't go after me in the 1st game.

i seriously hope i get seered. i want in on the wolf's demise plotting. especially now that Q has been openly cleared.


and, everything between myself and chardish had nothing to do with the game. we got upset with each other, and well... you see the results.

[Kilgamayan]

Uh, I didn't mention anything about your scrap with Chardish.

[chardish]

and, everything between myself and chardish had nothing to do with the game. we got upset with each other, and well... you see the results.

WE'RE BUDS AGAIN! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[lightdarkness]

Chardish and Tass b luvers a'gain matties!!!!

[Tasselfoot]

um... you're dead. stop talking.

buds. not lovers.

[chardish]

EVERYONE'S HYPNOTIZED

[CypherToorima]

Y'ar we be no' needin' tha o' this here ship, Matey's

[flypie743]

Dead people can talk. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HIS GOODBYE STATEMENT.

[sleeplessdragn]

that is one sad g'bye statement.

[chardish]

From: aleco
To: chardish
Posted: Nov 11, 2004 - 04:55 AM
Subject: TWG voting
I'm going somewhere and won't have Internet access for a couple days, so my vote this round is for sleepless again. Feel free to put my vote in.

[CypherToorima]

I vote aleco
He is still acting mighty odd.

Hehe that was a joke...And you really did vote for me before. I was seeing how you would react, and I really keep my vote for Sleepless

translates into: Well, I can't arouse suspicions by voting for someone who might be on to be, so I'll randomly change my vote in the guise of 'I just wanted to see how you react'

[QreepyBORIS]

Considering: aleco, Tass, Cypher.

[The_Q]

Whoa, I've been saved. That's weird. So, wolves, why'd you choose me? Did I pick the right one? I guess I'll need the psychic to decide on that, won't I? Can't do that on my own, this round. Well, I guess I just need my towel (I'm just a hiker, after all) to get what I need this round. Who's next?

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

You get 5 cool points for citing Hitchhiker's.

[The_Q]

I lose 5 cool points for citing Hitchhikers at the same time I gain them (kinda nerdy "he read a book and remembered it. luzer")

Q

[blahblah18]

its so true HGTTG is both awesome and sad in an awesome way.. and again Q, give me credit where credit is due.. I kinda like the whole plan from the start, esp because it seems to have worked... by the way my votewas going to be for Tass, but I don't think he'd be stupid enough to pick off Q... so I'm still undecided

[chardish]

Forgot to mention.

24 hr mark: 9 PM Friday
36 hr mark: 9 AM Saturday

All times Eastern. I live in Central Time, though, and you can bet I'm not going to get up at 8 AM on a Saturday for this game, so the actual topic won't be locked until some time after 9 AM.

But I'm hoping it won't come to that. I understand wanting to make an informed decision, but if you know who you're going to vote for, vote.

[87x]

Well I was Incorrect about The_Q... but stuff still doesn't feel right.. I will keep my thoughts to myself for the time being.

[blahblah18]

its been just bustling so far here...

[hydrojakep]

I vote CypherToorima

He acts like he knows what the mafia knows. He either doesnt, or he is the mafia.

[Tasselfoot]

this is getting annoying. no one is saying anything. its making it impossible to have anything to go off of.

for now, my vote goes to 87x

you voted for q originally, then had a lame reason for not changing... saying that you thought the rules said you couldn't change your vote... which is obviously not true.

[87x]

yep... Lame reason..


Since I haven't talked to anyone since the last voteing and I can't gather any information from here.. this vote is going to go off a hunch.. I'm going to have to vote for Kefit.. Just random thoughts going off in my head.. and I was to explain how I came up with this, it would destroy any theory that I have for the rest of the game, because of the wolfs switching tactics.

[Kilgamayan]

I change my vote to aleco.

[CypherToorima]

Well, hydro, the whole point of this game is to figure out who the mafia is, so I try to think like them.

[flawofhumanity]

I'm still not clear on who I should vote for, But it can't be withheld because I probably won't be on before the mark tommorow, so I am going to vote for Cypher, Because there is something fishy about him, and then again, in this game we are all guilty of paranoia and are all suspicous, but I'd rather vote for someone with a 30-40% chance of being a wolf, than most of the people 10-30%, or thats atleast what I see.

[roopert]

I vote 87x because he seems to be trying to conjure up reasons to vote for people that don't really exist. To me it seems he is just a wolf trying to not look "suspicious" by voting for someone without any reason when he is. Maybe I'm reading into this too much and the lack of sleep is getting to me. In any event, there is no way in hell I'll be up 5 in the morning unless I don't go to sleep so my vote goes to him.

[chardish]

CypherToorima: Hydrojakep, Flawofhumanity (2)
87x: Roopert, Tasselfoot (2)
Aleco: Kilgamayan, CypherToorima (2)
Kefit: 87x (1)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)

Not yet voted: Blahblah, Cenright, CStarFlare, Flypie, Guido, Kefit, QreepyBoris, Sleeplessdragn, The Q, Zildjian (10)

Guys, you have to be communicating more. Short little paragraphs aren't enough to figure out who wolves are, and with 10 of you not yet voting and less than 12 hours left, it's clear none of you have very much evidence. The only way to overcome this is to clearly explain your thought processes on everything going on in the game - simply saying "I vote X because he seems fishy/suspicious/etc." is not an effective means of finding the wolves.

I'm not trying to help the humans here, but no one is talking, and that needs to be overcome.

[blahblah18]

I kinda dont believe the wolves would all push to kill one person immediately, although itsd a possibility what with teh failed attempt on his life the night before. Even though I'm not sure of the reasoning, I"m going to vote Cypher because the votings have seemed to be "who looks the easiest to pin a case on that won't defend themselves.. ah yes ,him lets get him guys!" An his thinking woudl lead to the choices tht have happened so far as well

[Cenright]

I'm stuck. I was thinking of voting for Aleco or Cypher, but with no talking, there is no way to make any decisions.

[CStarFlare]

I'm going to go with Tasslefoot and Roopert for now. I can't think of any reason why you'd think you couldn't change your vote, especially since other people had already done so.

When I first read 87x's post I thought he wanted to just retract his vote instead of change it, but couldn't. But since he hasn't said anything to correct anyone who said that he thought he couldn't change his vote, I suppose that's not the case.

It's possible that he's a wolf, trying to dissassociate himself from a bandwagon without actually getting off it. Between those points, I don't really have a problem giving 87x my vote for the day.

[QreepyBORIS]

I vote aleco, because HE TICKLES MY FUNNY BONER LOL!

But he kept like reversing his position, reverting his views, etcetera. I don't think he CARED who would die. So, I vote for him.


Sorry, chardish, I don't have a paragraph worth of infos on all of this. Especially after playing DoW for like ever and I am totally tired. My apologies to you.



Note: I wrote that an hour ago, haha.

Anyways, the wolves have been doing a good job of not showing/betraying anything. And it's damn annoying. Nothing's gonna get done, and there probably won't be enough votes from day to day to represent even half or 2/3 of the players. I was going to elaborate on this, but I think I will shower instead.

[The_Q]

Just a wrong feeling? Hmmm, that's sure suspicious, 87x.

You're next.

Oh, and I contacted the psychic. I was right about Eric.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

I assume that means you thought he was not a wolf?

Otherwise you wouldn't be voting for 87x. -_-

[The_Q]

No, I voted Eric and he was lynched last round. 87x is doing the same sort of thing. I vote him.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

Oh.

I knew that.

[The_Q]

Good. So, you following reason too? Voting 87?

And by the way. POST 400!!!!!111 w00t !!!!

Q

[zildjian133]

Well I was Incorrect about The_Q... but stuff still doesn't feel right.. I will keep my thoughts to myself for the time being.

I'm voting for 87x because it seems like he was trying to cover up his vote for The_Q, and also I agree with Q's current logic.

[Cenright]

AIM is pretty helpful. I vote 87x. I didnt really see him as much of a candidate before, but he just didn't get my attention before.

[zildjian133]

CypherToorima: Hydrojakep, Flawofhumanity, blahblah18 (3)
87x: Roopert, Tasselfoot, CStarFlare, The_Q, Cenright, zildjian133 (5)
Aleco: Kilgamayan, CypherToorima, QreepyBORIS (3)
Kefit: 87x (1)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)

Not yet voted: Flypie, Guido, Kefit, Sleeplessdragn (4) - Pretty Sure This Is Correct

[QreepyBORIS]

I think I will stick to my current vote. I do see reasoning behind your ideas, but I (obviously) see mine a little clearer and more comprehensively.


Besides, without my vote, he still gets lynched. :P

Same idea as the people voting Buchanan in 2000--you vote for what you believe in, because you know who is gonna win from the start. Not the BEST analogy, but you might see the picture from it.

[87x]

lol... can't wait for the (whoever tells how many wolfs are left) to say 4 after I get lynched.. Then I will get to laugh..

But really if you read my post you would see that It didn't say I could change my vote.. It said I couldn't revoke my post.. which as explained are two different things.. and since it seems like Im going to get voted off anyway, there is no reason for me to keep my thought to myself anymore..

I still think The_Q is a wolf.. and this is why..
I think he got the wolfs to vote for him because he knew that the guardian couldn't risk losing that good of a player so early in the game.. So he got the wolfs to go for him, knowing the guardian would protect him anyway.. Thus making everyone think that he was a human when really he still was a wolf.. This would get mostly everybody to believe that he was human.. but since this is my first time playing this game then I still think he is a wolf, because my mind is racing with all these different possibilities..

I think Kefit was a wolf, well.. not really.. I was wasting a vote on Kefit because I needed a pointless person to vote on that would be in no real danger of getting voted off even if I picked them.

Vote how you like.. but I will be changing my vote to The_Q..

[Kefit]

My vote right now is going to aleco. The way he acted during the first day really does seem quite odd.

87x hasn't really done anything except stumble around between possibilities. Maybe I'm missing something, but he doesn't really seem suspicious to me right now.

[sleeplessdragn]

im going with 87x because i dont like how he defended himself. it seemed to defelect the attention away from him too obviously. plus his logic seems kinda farfetched to me.

[blahblah18]

I'm still pissed how Q tries to take credit for Eric when he was merely following me, where are my props *snaps fingers*

[flypie743]

87x.

If I voted anyone else my vote wouldn't count very much.

[chardish]

87x: Cenright, CStarFlare, Flypie, Roopert, SleeplessDragn, Tasselfoot, The Q, Zildjian (8)
Aleco: CypherToorima, Kefit, Kilgamayan, QreepyBoris (4)
CypherToorima Blahblah, Flawofhumanity, Hydrojakep (3)
The Q: 87x (1)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)
GuidoHunter: Phantom vote (1)

Did not vote: GuidoHunter (1)

By request, Day 1's voting is below:
The Q: 87x, ImEric, QreepyBoris, Flypie (4)
ImEric: Blahblah, The Q, Zildjian, flawofhumanity (4)
Aleco: CStarFlare, Cyphertoorima, sleeplessdragn, Tasselfoot (4)
Zildjian: GuidoHunter, Kefit, Roopert (3)
CypherToorima: Kilgamayan (1)
Hydrojakep: Cenright (1)
Tasselfoot: Hydrojakep (1)
Sleeplessdragn: Aleco (1)

Runoff:
ImEric: Roopert, GuidoHunter (2)


"So it looks like ye all want t' kill me," says 87x. "Well, I`ll be damned if I`m just goin' t' walk o'er that thar plank t' me death. Ye`re nay goin' t' get me without a swashbuckle!"

He immediately produces a sword, but within seconds the other 17 pirates are around him, cutlasses drawn, and 87x's sword is whacked out of his hand from a direction he doesn't even know. Before he has a chance to even take a step backwards, he has been pierced by seventeen swords. Captain Dawkins throws his carcass overboard.

"Another fine day it has been. Let us celebrate wi' whisky n' merrriment!" says the Captain.

"Cap'n?" says CStarFlare. "If we all get right sour tipsy, won't it make it easier fer them traitors t' kill us?"

"Quiet, ye!" says the Captain. "If me men canna stay on the'r best alertness an' swordmanship while loaded t' th' gunwhales, they's don`t deserve t' live!"

It is now Night 3. Wolves, Seer, Guardian - any of you who are still around, I need your picks.

[chardish]

Cheer up, hearties, don't look glum,
Thar's no shortage of our rum!
When at last we reach th' shore,
T' every man an English whore!
We'll spend our gold on casks o' gin,
Then out to sea to start again!
If they ask us whence it came,
Quickly we'll our pistols aim,
An' shoot 'em squarely in the head!
Who gives a damn? They'll soon be dead!

While all are gathered inside the dining room drinking whisky and cavorting, the sounds of merriment can barely be heard by one man who already lies in his quarters, collapsed on the ground and smelling heavily of rum. It is not difficult for someone to sneak away from the drunken crowd and repeatedly shove a knife in the back of Flawofhumanity, who dies without even being aware of his own demise.

The culprit returns to the hall, and re-engages in the festivity without any of the drunkards alert enough to notice that one of their number was even missing for a short time. The traitor jumps right back into the song without missing a beat.

Murderous, ravenous villians are we!
Th' pirate life's th' one for me!
We kill! We hijack! We plunder with glee,
Th' pirate life's th' one for me!
Criminals, all, but at least, men, we're free!
Th' pirate life's th' one for me!

---

The sun rises, and for many the drunken haze has already worn off. Cap'n Dawkins is notably furious with his men for being so unalert and foolish as to letting one of their own get killed.

"Shape up, 'r ship out!" he bellows. "Thar still bein' traitors on me ship! And ye better find em, if ye knows what's good for ye! Scurvy dogs, all!"

It is now Day 3. Here be the tally of who's on board:
Aleco
Blahblah
Cenright
CStarFlare
CypherToorima
Flypie
GuidoHunter
Hydrojakep
Kefit
Kilgamayan
QreepyBoris
Roopert
SleeplessDragn
Tasselfoot
The Q
Zildjian

24 hours: 8 PM EST Sunday
36 hours: 8 AM EST Monday
Get t' votin'. Y'arr.

[QreepyBORIS]

You didn't put who died in the post subject. Do so.

I thought it was going to be another "nobody died" night.

[chardish]

The subject line is too long to accomodate including the name of who died. Get used to it.

[GuidoHunter]

Daaaaaaaaamn..... didn't get around to voting.... I SWEAR, come Sunday, I'll be back here.

Anyway, I vote Cypher because the only other reason I can see the wolves offing someone as insignificant as he is to be random just to throw us off. Of course, if Flaw were on the trail of a wolf and they got rid of him for that reason, I could see the logic. So, that's why I'm picking up his standard and voting Cypher.

EDIT: Grammatically abhorrent sentence.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

That death doesn't help my thought processes much.

For lack of something better to go on, I'mma vote flypie this round because of her voting habits. Round 1 she made a revenge vote (even admitted so), and in Round 2 she made a bandwagon vote.

[Tasselfoot]

for the time being... my vote also goes to flypie but for somewhat different reasons.

i do agree with you kilga on the voting patterns... but also after talking to her, i am plagued with suspicion. every question i asked was given back with partial answers or answers that didn't go to the questions asked... and, as apposed to her behavior early on last game over AIM when she was the seer, i can clearly see a huge difference in her attitude.

all of that and the fact that i have nothing better to go on right now. as always, i reserve the right to switch my vote upon receiving better evidence.

[The_Q]

Ha. Yeah. I think I'll pay her back for that too. Flypie it is.

I'll add logic later...

Q

[CypherToorima]

My vote goes to Qreepy. The first round, he tries to throw us off. Honestly. Like...his actions DO seem suspiciously counter-intuitive. Who would vote for someone who votes for himself? Unless someone convinces me that it is me, after all.
That just seems really odd. And then in the second round, he bandwagon votes, for the Q, I might add. Of course no one was for sure he was human then, except for the wolves. And hey, why not kill lynch someone smart and then kill someone else that is smart that night.

[aleco]

I vote Qreepy.
He makes stupid votes, like voting for me. In case you didn't notice, people, the first game I was in I acted the same exact way. You can't blame me for doing what I usually do. Some others did too but he is my vote.

[QreepyBORIS]

I fail to see how voting for you was stupid. Sorry.

And Cypher, I was merely voting for myself for lack of other people to vote for. You're foolish.

EDIT: I also find it ironic that aleco is criticizing my voting habits. He bandwagoned off of cypher to vote for me while at the same time voting for me as a revenge vote! So please, lighten up on the hypocrisy, would you?

[hydrojakep]

i'm still for CypherToorima

[flypie743]

as apposed to her behavior early on last game over AIM when she was the seer, i can clearly see a huge difference in her attitude.

That's because I am not the seer this time, I am human, so I can't be sure that anyone is trustworthy.

[hydrojakep]

i'm changing my vote to flypie

[aleco]

I fail to see how voting for you was stupid. Sorry.
...
EDIT: I also find it ironic that aleco is criticizing my voting habits. He bandwagoned off of cypher to vote for me while at the same time voting for me as a revenge vote! So please, lighten up on the hypocrisy, would you?

Actually, it wasn't stupid. I just felt like saying that. I definitely haven't bandwagoned this whole game, so don't accuse me of that. You were like the one who gave the faulty explanation about voting for me. About that: I changed my vote once to see how the person would respond, then I changed it back to my original. That wasn't flip-flopping all over the place. It wasn't really a revenge vote either, I have other reasons that I will not disclose.

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™, Y'arr.
Insta-lynch @ 8 votes.

Flypie: Hydrojakep, Kilgamayan, Tasselfoot, The Q (4)
QreepyBoris: Aleco, CypherToorima (2)
CypherToorima: GuidoHunter (1)
GuidoHunter: Phantom Vote (1)

Not yet voted: Blahblah, Cenright, CStarFlare, Flypie, Kefit, QreepyBoris, Roopert, SleeplessDragn, Zildjian (9)

[flypie743]

I vote flypie because when I talked to myself last night. I said, "Self, you are acting mighty suspicious and not answering my questions completely" and I answered back, "Self, I must vote myself off". I am too suspicious for myself.

[blahblah18]

whaaaaaaat? *so confused and so sick*

[CypherToorima]

Hmm...although Qreepy keeps my vote, flypie is acting weird. She's doing the same thing that Qreepy did to catch my suspision. It's like "hey guys I'm gonna vote for myself just because, although not really because it will take the suspision off of me."

[aleco]

Yeah now that Flypie did that, I have to vote for her. She can't just expect us to get off her with a move like that.

[blahblah18]

I realize that it isn't a huge deal since it isn't enough now... but I''m making my vote Hydrojakep

[aleco]

hydrojakep*

[flypie743]

I keep my vote as flypie because that post above was too suspicious for myself. I was like "Self, that post was really suspicious" and I replied back, "Self, you're right, I am keeping my vote".

[CypherToorima]

Flypie has my vote.

You're trying to hard, now.

[blahblah18]

based on a much closer rereading of Day 1's vote process and certain other intangibles, I"m going to have to vote for flypie as well... also notice though that we're voting off every person that kept their vote for Q day 1, were the wolves really that obvious? I would hope not, but if they aren't the wolves, then they should've formed a block to save a wolf.... unless none of those 3 were a wolf... oh if only sommmeone knew how many wolves were left at each specific time..

[CypherToorima]

I'm voting for flypie because she tried to pull that "vote for myself" thing.

[flypie743]

lol


Keeping as flypie because this is rather humerous.

[CypherToorima]

lol me 2 cuz dis iz funneh hahah

[flypie743]

lol


Keeping as flypie because this is rather humerous.

x2

[QreepyBORIS]

You stole my trademark. -_-

Sued.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, since it looks like I am okay for the round (though the votes could obviosly turn just by me saying that -_-), I welcome the Seer to go ahead and Seer me, if they think it is necessary. I have nothing to hide.

[lightdarkness]

Locked, cause Chardish told me.

[chardish]

"A'ight, ye lousy bum, up on th' plank with ye!" shouts the Captain.

Flypie slowly backs towards the plank, pressed against the wall by the rest of the pirates with their swords extended. With an angry swipe, Cenright attacks but only manages to cut Flypie's jacket in two, letting it fall to the floor. She is wearing only a form-fitting shirt, which sends the rest of the crew into shock.

"What's this? Ye bein' a woman?" asks Cap'n Dawkins.

Flypie nods.

Dawkins is furious. "Thar bein' no wimmen on a pirate ship! 'Specially not me ship!"

The crew starts to close in. "Hold on, Cap'n, not so fas'. Maybe we can be havin' a little fun here!" shouts Aleco.

A very anxious and worried Flypie climbs on the plank and takes a few steps backwards.

"Shut yer word holes, sea dogs!" says Captain Dawkins. "She be havin' a lot of courage to smuggle herself on me ship. She's no wench. She ortin' t' be treated wi' some respect." He produces his pistol and shoots Flypie squarely in the temple. Her face turns to shock, and, quickly losing her willpower, she falls limply into the ocean.

"But if me trusted hearties say she bein' a traitor, she bein' a traitor!"

The men cheer.

"Y'arr!"

It is now Night 4. Wolves, Seer, Guardian - you know what to do.

[chardish]

A seemingly uneventful night passes, the morning comes, and the tired, hung-over pirates wake up to continue doing their work. The crew's sailors are the first to arrive on deck to unfurl the sails. Looking up at the dominant spire formed by the ship's mast, they spot something terrifying.

Hanging from the crow's nest by his neck from a thirteen-foot rope is Kefit, whose barely recognizable body has been stabbed and cut several times. The sailors grimly untie him and, not wishing to handle the infested corpse with their bare hands, they swing the rope a few times like a pendulum to build momentum and deftly toss it overboard, where it lands about 20 yards off the ship's starboard bow. Then they report to Cap'n Dawkins.

"Lissen up, men! It bein' th' fourth day since we've shipped out, if ye scurvy dogs bein' the men o' learnin' an' reason I made ye out t' be, y'ortin' t' be sendin' the last o' the traitors t' Davy Jones' locker t'day! So ye best get t' talkin, and figgerin' it out!"

It is now Day 4. You heard your Cap'n - game ends tonight with a human victory if you've been 100% correct so far and get one today as well. Otherwise, it would seem your skills of deduction are not what they're cracked up to be.

Insta-lynch at 7 votes.
24 hours: 11 PM EST Monday
36 hours: 11 AM EST Tuesday

Here's who's left:
Aleco
Blahblah
Cenright
CStarFlare
CypherToorima
GuidoHunter
Hydrojakep
Kilgamayan
QreepyBoris
Roopert
SleeplessDragn
Tasselfoot
The Q
Zildjian

[CypherToorima]

Qreepy gets my vote for previously stated reasons.

[Cenright]

Qreepy entered this game with a different strategy, so I see two options with that:

He learned from last game, and so is trying to make changes in how he plays as a wolf.
-or-
He really is a human, and so his strategy changed to compensate his change in role.

[QreepyBORIS]

Cypher has a reason for voting for me, which I at least DO appreciate. Unfortunately, it's rather wrong. I did that purely for my own amusement, and though there is no way to proove it, maybe you should just take a look at what you said, read it aloud, and realize how ridiculous it is.

[CypherToorima]

Well...that's the thing. It would throw off a lot of people. It made me laugh. Although, I must admit, I kida believe you. Hopefully it won't come back and bite me in the butt.

[GuidoHunter]

This Phantom Vote guy refuses to give good reasoning as to why he votes for me. I think he's looking a bit sketchy.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[chardish]

This Phantom Vote guy refuses to give good reasoning as to why he votes for me. I think he's looking a bit sketchy.

The in-game explanation for phantom vote is that your silence during a certain round of voting makes you look sketchy, thus reducing the amount of support an angry mob has to have in order to lynch you.

[Kilgamayan]

omfg

funeral for a friend

:'(

[QreepyBORIS]

She never was that good at dancing, anyhow....

[Tasselfoot]

aleco gets my vote for the time being.... everything last round was extremely odd.... its actually confusing the heck out of me, but through assumptions that i've made so far this game, i have only 2 people left with high suspicion. aleco is one of them. that more than any suspicion he has caused during the game is the reason for my vote.

[GuidoHunter]

This Phantom Vote guy refuses to give good reasoning as to why he votes for me. I think he's looking a bit sketchy.

The in-game explanation for phantom vote is that your silence during a certain round of voting makes you look sketchy, thus reducing the amount of support an angry mob has to have in order to lynch you.

I understand. I'd like to explain my silence, though, by saying that the last week has been uber full by a huge test, girlfriend for five days, and going out of town. I'm back, though, and have more than enough time to get in on this game.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[The_Q]

See, women are bad luck. So are priests...so how does the Pope get onto cruise boats?

By reasoning brought about during the round
when I was protected, I vote aleco

Q

[Kefit]

Wow.

I go to work for nine hours, come back, and am dead.

Have fun, everyone.

Oh, and one more thing: please, people, talk. Discuss theories. I had a bunch of them, but was too afraid to bring any of them to light. I regret this, especially since I can't discuss them at all anymore. This game is so incredibly boring when all people are doing is bandwagoning without giving well thought out reasons for their votes. I expect to see some good discussion throughout the remainder of this game to keep me from getting bored with my inability to participate.

[zildjian133]

From the rest of the game I think I'm going to have to vote for Aleco he's the only person that doesn't seem to be on the humans side.

[Tasselfoot]

i just thought of something very interesting that i hadn't considered before.... not sure if it truely matters, but its enough to get me to switch my vote:

Q informed all of us that a wolf was killed by day2. i'm going to assume that means Eric (unless the wolves actually killed one of their own at night). Now, if aleco was also a wolf, he wouldn't have wasted his vote on sleepless on day1. at the time, Eric and Q were both tied at 4 votes, so by voting for sleepless.... he wasn't voting to save Eric. this leads me to be more sure that aleco is human than Qreepy

[blahblah18]

Tass I think that may be right, but thats the point I was wondering about before.. is it realyl as simple as everyone that tried to get Q killed is a wolf, and that's that? Would they really all vote together day 1 so quickly?

[aleco]

I vote Qreepy for reasons I will say later, I'm kinda in a rush...

[Tasselfoot]

thats the point i've been wondering too blah.... we'll certainly find out once this game ends, won't we.

[flypie743]

I demand to know who deleted my post that was a suggested storyline.

[blahblah18]

well as per Kefit's instructions, I"m going to voice a suspicion I have if Qreepy isn't the end, that I hope everyone here takes heed of... Assuming that Eric was a wolf, and the other wolves want to try and save him without being obvious, the last likely candidate for a wolf would have to be none other then Tasselfoot... Ideally he would have loved to vote Q, get a smart guy off and save a wolf, but he knew by doing that would basicalyl automatically sign his own death warrant, since he's the first to always say that you shouldn't vote the smart people day 1 and that whyt take a risk, cost/benefit, and so on(for more readings at this look at his own defense for day 1 of game 2 to see that this is his modus operandi). So now on the assumption that he knows he can't reasonably come up with any way to vote for Q, he does the next best thing to try and save Eric... he creates a 3-way tie!!! His belief based on the rules then was that there's only going to be a random 1 in 3 chance now that Eric will be killed, that doesn't happen when Chardish has a runoff voting, and Tass flips out as Eric dies. To me, this sounds quite plausible, and is in fact more probable then Qreepy being a wolf from the evidence given... We haven't heard a peep about other wolves dying or much of anything on this board, and so based on these reasons, my vote goes to Tasselfoot

[QreepyBORIS]

I am considering both Tass and aleco (though the board reamins very, very open).

More details later. I rather like blah's reasoning, for the record.

[The_Q]

Tass's logic beats mine. I'm going to have to bandwagon for this one. Sorry, Qreepy.

Q

EDIT: I just read the logic on Tass. There isn't a snowball's chance in Hell of that being plausible.Tass would not cause a three way tie, that's much too risky. Not only would the other wolves disagree with such a notion (not all are as bright as Tass is, right Qreepy? *just kidding*), but the odds of a plan like that working is too low to even consider. Cost/benefit runs well, but it tends to fail when the benefit is much too small for the cost. In that case, take no action (unless that is the cost, which it isn't in this case).

Also, with all the AIM conversations I've had with Tass over the last week, I'm absolutely sure he wouldn't be hiding something from me. If he was acting funny, it'd be obvious.

[QreepyBORIS]

I'd be tempted to vote Tass on this one, but I still lean towards aleco.

Tass' voting in round one (* I think it was round one) was just...OFF. The tie thing? Bull****.
But aleco keeps spewing crap, too. Massively.

And nobody, it looks like, provided evidence I was a wolf. O_o
You did say why other people might not be, but I still don't get how I am a wolf. Maybe you can convince me. :P

Tass's evidence was how aleco was not a wolf. And then my name sorta pops out in bold there. I don't...I don't know how that works. Do elaborate? -_-

The Aleco bolds my name. Given, he is "in a rush", but....

Then Q agrees that aleco is not a wolf, so he votes against me. Wait, is there something like...really obvious I am missing? Feel free to post it. It would make me feel a bit less bewildered. Then he continued to show how he thought Tass was a human (or non-wolf). But I still haven't seen reasons why I am a wolf. I am...confused to say the least, especially since it is damn hard for me to claim conspiracy, what with The Q definitely not being a wolf.


So, in short, care to elaborate a little?

[Tasselfoot]

my reasoning? i thought i explained it well above.... but, here goes again.

based off if previous voting and the assumption that Eric was indeed a wolf, i have grouped everyone in this game down into 4 groups. those that are 0 threat (aka, human)... those that are minimal threat... those that are a threat... and those that are the strongest threat. i have a small number of people in that last group, and you are one of them. so although i have no overwhelming evidence, i am forced to vote for one person in that group. aleco is (was, maybe now?) in that group too, but based off of the logic i have come up with, you are a more likely wolf than he is.

so THAT is why i voted for you. its a process of elimination. i would share my entire logic here in the forums, but that would be counter-productive in favor of the wolves.

[chardish]

Here Be Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™, Y'arr.
QreepyBoris: Aleco, CypherToorima, Tasselfoot, The Q (4)
Tasselfoot: Blahblah (1)
Aleco: Zildjian (1)
GuidoHunter: Phantom vote (1)

Still to vote: Cenright, CStarFlare, GuidoHunter, Hydrojakep, Kilgamayan, QreepyBoris, Roopert, SleeplessDragn (8)

Insta-lynch @ 7 votes.
24 hours ends @ 11 PM EST.
36 hours ends @ 11 AM EST tomorrow.

[QreepyBORIS]

I meant the reasoning, not because you saw me as a threat. -_-.

Cause that's off the "No-****" scale, otherwise you wouldn't vote for me. :P

The lack of showing of ANY real reason prompts me to believe there is little more than gut feeling (and we know how voting by the gut works...).

I mean, I don't see my dangerousity. I offered to have myself seered. And a night has passed since then. So either the seer has not looked at me, is dead, or has looked at me and decided to keep quiet. They can look at me if they choose; I encourage it. I don't have anything to hide. Feel free to AIM me (I'm always on, to some extent, or my net is out) if you feel a need to discuss something (much appreciated).

[Tasselfoot]

after Qreepy's posts and conversation on AIM... my gut says he isn't a wolf. just downgrading you to a threat, no longer a strong threat. and with that, my vote is changed once again to a person who i deem a strong threat.

hydro

i have no other reasoning besides process of elimination through my own throught out logic.

[QreepyBORIS]

Looking at: Hydro, Tass (yeah, still, but he stays exempt for the time being anyway), and aleco (still).

[blahblah18]

so I just reread all of the first game... real interesting stuff, despite a good talk with him, my vote stays with Tass, and I also note that Qreepy used the "no ****" alarm in that game too, and here I thought you were being original... oh well... I want everyone to notice the difference in tass's voting patterns between game 1 and game 2, and now decide which one more resembles his voting patterns for game 3... some more to chew on people

[chardish]

It's almost 24 hours and we're no closer to an insta-lynch, so I don't think the 24 hour deadline matters much. But, due to FFR server issues today, I'm pushing the 36 hour deadline back an extra 3 hours to 2 PM EST on Tuesday. This gives you guys time to get online during your lunch breaks or whatever. Or in the morning. Either or. 2 PM EST.

[QreepyBORIS]

I was gonna suggest that. :D

And just to get this party started, hydrojakep gets my vote. Though it will probably reversed because a smarter or more concieted person (hi Q) will disproove me.

[Kilgamayan]

Voting aleco for the sake of avoiding a phantom vote since I have no idea if I'll pay enough attention to this game again before 2PM tomorrow to generate a more well-informed opinion.

[Cenright]

I vote Hydrojakep also. He, Cstar, Roopert, and Sleepless are all so silent that nothing can be done about them except get rid of them. Hopefully the seer will see some of them soon so that there aren't lynchings "just cause they are quiet". I think that will speed things up.

[sleeplessdragn]

im voting aleco because his being vague is too disturbing to me and because he has voted for me two times, simply because i havent been as active as some other people. its called school guys, school.

[Tasselfoot]

just as a point of reference.... sleepless has played in all 3 games.... and has been very quiet in all 3 games. i've just accepted that he isn't on the forums much, and therefor is very quiet. for him personally, i have recognized this and don't mark it negatively against him. but, it definately doesn't help either, because alot of people ta