TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - End Of Day 5: Victory!

[chardish]

It is a period of great strife. It is over a thousand years before the Galactic Civil War, and a group of 18 Republic dignitaries is on a transport vessel to the world of Alderaan where Supreme Chancellor Ennwyn Nash will be escorted back to the Galactic Senate at Coruscant where he will sign a piece of legislation that will allow Jedi Knights to be permanently stationed on every world in the galaxy to monitor the Force for disturbances and fluctuations, thus ensuring that the Sith may never again return to power.

Those 18 dignitaries now sit in the main cabin of the Republic Ambassador, the luxury space yacht assigned for transporting dignitaries to special occasions. It is run and serviced entirely by droids. It is approximately 10 hours before they reach Alderaan to retrieve the Senator's shuttle, which will dock immediately with the Ambassador.

Yet something curious happens quickly after the voyage begins. There is a complete electrical failure on board - only emergency systems (life support) remain. The cabin lights go out. A hideous choking noise comes from the corner of the cabin, and when the lights come back on the lifeless body of Snapps lies in the cabin's center.

The automated voice of the droid pilot comes over the loudspeaker. "Please excuse the electrical disturbance, we are having minor malfunctions. We assure you that life support is suffering no problems. We are continuing on our present course to Alderaan."

Roopert presses the comm button. "Pilot, there's been an attack. We need you to turn the ship around and go back to Coruscant so we can figure out what happened."

The droid replies. "Please excuse the electrical disturbance, we are having minor malfunctions. We assure you -"

"This is not the work of malfunctions," says ImEric. "There are Dark Jedi on board this ship. They are the ones who choked Snapps to death. Look. He has clearly died of asphyxiation, yet there are no marks on his neck. This is a Dark Jedi skill."

"You mean that the Sith might be rising again?" asks Lightdarkness.

"Perhaps they may be," says Tasselfoot. "And there are clearly some on this ship."

"Aren't there also Jedi Knights usually sent to protect VIPs like the Chancellor?" asks Whorlichan.

"Usually there are three," says Banditcom.

"Then the only reason the 3 Dark Jedi didn't come right out and murder all of us is because the Jedi would be able to equal them in power. It'd be too risky. There must be 3 Dark Jedi." (Editor note: there are)

"Can't Jedi detect followers of the Dark Side?" asks Tasuke.

"Usually," says Sleeplessdragn. "But it would seem that both sides are using the Force to cloud their knowledge of who the others are. But the Dark Jedi are working in collaboration, but the Jedi are probably not. The Jedi are summoned to duties from all across the galaxy - the three on this ship have probably never met before."

"Why not let Jedi work together?" asks The Q.

"Different Jedi have different skills," says GuidoHunter. "Some have the power of Insight, which lets them see a person's true alignment - be they evil or good. Some have the power of Protection, which allows them to concentrate on a particular individual to prevent them from having the Dark Side affect them. And another has the power of Balance, which allow them to detect how many doers of evil are in the area. These powers take time to recharge, though."

"So there's one of each on the ship," says Kagome.

"Right."

"So if the Jedi aren't going to reveal themselves to avoid a direct confrontation with the Dark Jedi and eliminate them, what's the best solution to take?" asks QreepyBoris.

"There's the airlock," says emccky. "It takes users of the Force about a half hour to recharge their powers. Which means in another half hour the systems should go dead again, and the Jedi should be able to use their abilities to help protect us. The Dark Jedi won't risk murdering us all until they're sure they can take on the Jedi without a problem - that is, when the Dark Jedi equal the Jedi in numbers."

"So it's decided," says Flypie. "We need to figure out who the Dark Jedi are, and vote them out the airlock. As quickly as possible - if they eliminate us all, when the Chancellor's shuttle docks, he will certainly be murdered and the Jedi's petition will certainly fail. The galaxy will plunge into chaos. Simply put, we MUST succeed."

"Agreed," says Cenright. "May the Force be with us."

Here's who you've got:
Banditcom
Blahblah
Cenright
Emccky
Flypie
GuidoHunter
ImEric12
Kagome
Kilgamayan
Lightdarkness
QreepyBoris
Roopert
SleeplessDragn
Tasselfoot
Tasuke
The Q
Whorlichan

Well, there you have it. It is now 0030 Hours (Day 1). You've got 36 hours or until all the votes are in to decide who gets sent out into space.

[Tasselfoot]

well, i'll start it off with the completely random vote. we have nothing to go on folks.... and let me make one thing VERY CLEAR.

pay attention to last game. do not jump on the bandwagon.

i will be very vocal this game, and please do not take that as me being a wolf. last game i was a wolf. this game, i'm not. i will be vocal in the role of helping us solve this mystery.

so... my random vote goes out to WhorliChan love you hun. :-*

[lightdarkness]

Random vote: blahblah

[emccky]

I vote Tasselfoot

[Tasselfoot]

and wow... 1st off, make your picks in bold.

2nd... emccky, if you are human, you are the dumbest human ever. and, well, if you are a wolf, you're pretty damn dumb too... why in gods green earth would you vote for me. look at my game last time, look at how i've already started this game... please. like 8 other people have already said i'm one of the "smart" people here on CT... why on earth would i screw myself from the bat.

i really don't know what to think emccky, whether you are an idiot human or an idiot wolf. either way, vote changed to emccky, at least for now.

also, to everyone else.... hopefully we won't all bandwagon off the bat. i as much as everyone would like to see what lots of people say before i finalize my vote. so, you may see lots of LD-style vote changes from me early in this game based on all the current information.

[Tasuke]

SleeplessDragn for my random vote

[Kagome]

go go Roopert

[lightdarkness]

Theres a voting style named after me :-D

[The_Q]

Random Vote goes to...Tassel for doing EXACTLY what Eric did last game.

Q

[Tasselfoot]

and Q... look how that worked out. just remember that.

[The_Q]

I'm just wanting a fun, long game. *shrug* Eric knocked the whole thing down so fast it was just plain annoying. I didn't get to see enough of the show.

Q

[flypie743]

Tasselfoot

To be random.

[ImEric12]

Chardish, you used the screwed list again, and left out me and Guido. [Edit: LD fixed it, thanks LD.]

I don't have anything to go on, so I guess random vote goes to Roopert.

[Tasselfoot]

amazing how all these "random" votes are going my way.... perhaps they aren't so random?

[whorlichan]

To be absolutely random as well: blahblah. I refuse to be as evil as Tass right off the bat :)

[Kilgamayan]

Why didn't I get any lines? :(

Vote goes to Tasselfoot because he's doing everything he said a human would/should do in the first round.

[banditcom]

lightdarkness because he seemed like a dumbass last game. :P

And I personally think it's worth keeping Tassel around to see if he IS in fact a wolf or a human. I don't think it's worth the risk.

[blahblah18]

ok here's what I see right now... and I"m not casting any vote yet, but I want to state what appears to be happening... very first vote goes to whorlichan... second vote to me.... whorlichan sees this and decides the best way to save herself is to bandwagon her vote to whoever she thinks can get the most support against, so hit I get.... This leads me to one of several outcomes, in which I will be musing about and hope you all do too...
A) tass is a darkjedi/wolf/whatever... if this is the case, then he would be very clever doing what he is doing, because it is a different strategy then he employed last game, and this would make whorlichan a wolf as well, because he knows no one will bandwagon after what happened last game, so it throws suspicion off the both of them, whorlichan can now use this as an excuse to take LD's random vote and get the bandwagon started on who they really want it going too (note how long it took whorlichan to choose her "random" vote, it wasn't immediately after LD's, they waited to see all the possible choices) This now leads to the subpoint of whether or not LD is the third wolf working with them, but I highly doubt that (not that I doubt he is a wolf, but I would doubt all 3 wolves would come out so quickly, most likely one will stay quiet for a long time and hope his/her name never comes up So look for voting patterns there

B) Tass isn't a wolf,which would imply emccky or flypie, based on a choice to "randomly" vote that way, after 2 posts by tass, and I would much sooner think it flypie then emccky because that way the wolves are working it by waiting a human to make a random accusation and then "randomly" joining in, making the humans do the wolves dirty work, and also saying that they just followeed the crowd, having all suspicion lost

There are more things to look for that I"m going to wait a little bit on, and if I get killed for this at night, I"ll feel good for knowing they feared me... So people, I just ask you all to look at voting patterns, look at correlations between people voting together (voting blocks), and to now put some thought in your vote now that everyone has made a "random" vote, you have a lot of information to go on, so I hope I see people at least thinking about this and perhaps changing their vote.

Sorry I made this so long :)

[QreepyBORIS]

Sorry, Tass; you're irresistible!

This is unless I have better reason to change it to my random vote of Cenright, who I picked by pointing my finger at my screen.


On the first round, there's no reason NOT to jump on the bandwagon, though (especially if it makes sense), so I think I will stick with my bolded vote.

[lightdarkness]

I think you over thought this random vote.


@bandit Yes I'm a dumbass.

[banditcom]

People look into things way too much on such little information. There really is no way of knowing who is who right now. O_o

[emccky]

I love how i started the bandwagon, Tass's first post was just too juicy to not vote for him.

[QreepyBORIS]

I would say that emccky's post was suspicious sounding, but it only was a little, and then people would be suspicious of me.

Vote stands.

[blahblah18]

I kind of don't like though now how everyone is hopping on Tass, I'd rather wait a bit and see who comes together for an alternate target... if no one does, then he's human and we shoudln't kill him, if people do though, then its a somewhat good assumption that they might be wolves... and if they read this and devide to leave tass to dry as a wolf, well.. they just can't afford to let one of their own die in the first roudn with someoen having the power to know if he is a wolf or not... so just be on the lookout for that, and dissect my huge post from above

[Tasuke]

Vote changed to flypie because she seems to be jumping
on the bandwagon which just seems to be what a wolf would do

[Cenright]

My post goes a little along with Blah's

That is the third count at Tass, and so I am going to agree with bandit, that he is worth waiting on.
LD was the only to not post his vote, so he wanted to be cautious. So cautious that he didnt say "random".

But other than the first person, who else has said the word "random" either to blend in or just because they arent thinking? The wolves are the ones that HAVE to think, so they are picking very carefully. The three on Tass are odd, but I dont think they would bandwagon altogether in the beginning. They know who they are, so they can coordinate their attacks.

I vote emccky, because he is being stupid, just as Tass pointed out. Those two can't both be dark jedi, and there is a chance that neither are. But the stupidity of emccky is going to hurt either way.

[QreepyBORIS]

Vote changed to flypie because she seems to be jumping
on the bandwagon which just seems to be what a wolf would do

Bandwagon jumping isn't caste-specific, as clearly demonstrated last game.

[Tasselfoot]

i know that defending myself too much only will get me killed faster.... but, blahblah's B is 100% correct.

i can already say with 100% confidence that blah, myself, and whorli are all human based off of these posts. also that at least 2 of the 5 people who have voted for me so far as wolves.

lastly, people... please re-read the 1st game, especially the 1st day. you are doing exactly the same thing as you did last game. remember that i'm not stupid enough to come out openly if i was a wolf, for fear of just this. but, since i'm human, i'm risking myself right of the bat in the hopes of drawing out at least 1 wolf, if not more.

and remember that every single person everyone thought was suspicious last game was a human. just remember that, and vote accordingly.

[blahblah18]

cen makes a good point, but wouldn't you more fear flypie's random "second" or whorli's random "self-saving second" then emccky's nomination? I think he's human but just wanted to point the finger at someone

[emccky]

definately keeping my vote now.

[Cenright]

Actually, emccky was just trying to get out of the way, and so he just threw out a viable idea.

I am changing to Flypie.

Think of what was added on the end of the post "To be random"
It was almost as a "But remember, this is only random" (Or not, but is still probable)

[Tasselfoot]

hey people... for those that realize i am on the side of the humans, would you at least try and vote for 1 person? because if you continue to spread 3-4 votes to 3-4 people, i will still be killed.

emccky's continued backing of killing me off with no reason is much more suspicious than my actions... and, i do hate to try and shift attention away from me directly at someone else, but it is a matter of survival... and his actions are either out of hatred for me due to reasons other than this game... or strong probability of wolfishness.... or extreme stupidity. none of those 3 reasons are productive to this game.

[banditcom]

My current observation: blahblah is human. He's on the chopping blocks with 2 votes and he backed tassel. So either both are jedi or blah is definately human. I'm going with the latter.

[Kilgamayan]

definately keeping my vote now.

[blahblah18]

I want to see the # of peopel that dont' post anything, except a vote... be nervous of the ones that try to not draw any attention, one.. maybe 2, will be a wolf
and just to offer my initial ideas, my vote would probably be for either whorlichan or flypie, because either one could very feasibly be a wolf based on several things, and I think the otehr 2 possibilities (emccky and tass) are choices better left for later , I think emccky was just truly random, and tass could be either way, but we'll be able to tell much easier after a voting session and a night of killing.. we'll see how it all turns out i guess

[lightdarkness]

I'm sorry tass, but it does seem like you are trying to defend yourself too much, and you are using the whole "Hey, I was awesome the first game so trust me now" kinda thing.

I would like to keep my vote random, but the facts are building up against you.

[Cenright]

Tass, There has to be a majority, so if there isnt, the top few accused are put into a seperate vote.

[banditcom]

Finger pointing is building.. that's it. It's pretty much all GUESSING at this point and I for one do not think it's worth getting rid of a good possible human off of guessing.

[lightdarkness]

Vote update:
Tass - 5
blahblah - 2
Roopert 2
flypie - 2
LD - 1
emeccky - 1

[banditcom]

Is this night staying open until JUST tonight? It was first said that TWG would start tomorrow. I really hope this night lasts until tomorrow night, because I don't think everyone knows about this yet.

[lightdarkness]

It's currently day Bandit, it closes 36 hours after it starts, or once all votes are cast.

Only 4 people need to vote.

[blahblah18]

well I don't plan on voting for a while, so I hope that defers it, even if a majority is reached, because I would like to have the opportunity to elucidate things as they happen, as opposed to letting a few people run a bandwagon before others even know about it

[whorlichan]

Alright. Reading over the posts, I have decided to change my vote to flypie. I have suspicions of other people, but blahblah is being much too intelligent for me to want to off right away.

Why is everyone pissed that I voted so "late" in the day anyway? I do have a life outside the forum--unlike Tass, I can't sit here all day and watch the posts go up one by one.

[banditcom]

I'm changing my vote to flypie on the basis of the random vote comment, which bothered me in the beginning.. and also to try to save Tassel (who should convince his girl to help save him as well.. *cough*).

This is still a temporary vote.

Again... my one observation: blah is human.

EDIT: hah.. nevermind... she did... rofl... and OUCH... bashing her b/f.. haha

[blahblah18]

haha, just fodder for suspicious people to go over... and of course you have to vote for flypie, when it seems that it'll be you vs flypie vs tass... time for me to ponder this now :) :)

[blahblah18]

exactly, there are several suspicious people, and several peopel with their heads out on the chopping block, I hope the seer choose one that would be a tough call *cough cough* and the protector saves one that could be an obvious choice for the wolves *cough cough* :) :)

[emccky]

based on blahblah's last post, im getting suspicious. still sticking with tass for now though.

[Cenright]

So what is the vote tally now?

[Tasselfoot]

well, it seems that although i feel emccky is deserving of my vote... i do have to try and save my ass right now. so, i am forced to change my vote to flypie

[blahblah18]

you're not forced to do anything... because there is still over 24 hours until the vote needs to be finalized, and we still haven't heard from all people yet

[Tasselfoot]

5 tass
5 flypie
2 roopert
1 blahblah

is the current tally. and emccky, i really hope you are human and realize that gangbanging me because you don't like me is counterproductive.

my take on this: the wolves saw an opportunity to screw me early (like i saw with eric last game) and jumped on it, only they went too far on it too quickly, and are now being trapped by it..... i would seriously look at flypie, qreepy, kilga, and Q as wolves.... not certainly, but i'll be keeping my eye there.... if i manage to survive the day and the night.

[banditcom]

Emccky: Read my post about blah.

[emccky]

alright i read it, still a little iffy though. And no, tass this is nothing personal.

[sleeplessdragn]

emccky does seem strangely hooked on killing tass. im going to have to suspend my vote for now. wat time does this daytime period end?

[blahblah18]

not for a while I don't think, and emccky are you implying being suspicious about tass or about me?

[Tasselfoot]

it ends 36 hours after the original edit. so, around Wednesday morning 7am est.

[chardish]

WHO'S EVERYONE VOTING FOR SO FAR? (i.e., Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting)

Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Tasselfoot, Tasuke, Whorlichan (5)
Tasselfoot: Emccky, Flypie, Kilgamyan, QreepyBoris, The Q (5)
Roopert: Kagome, ImEric (2)
Blahblah: Lightdarkness (1)


Still to vote: Blahblah, Guidohunter, SleeplessDragn, Roopert

[Cenright]

REMEMBER PEOPLE!! The dark jedi already killed Snapps. They thought they could easily push us into killing tasslefoot, so they could get him without having to use their murder.

Or he could be a wolf, but I dont see wiping him out in the beginning. He has a lot to add, and if he isnt adding, we can see through him, but he is too much of a potential asset to wipe out now.

[blahblah18]

I've thought the same thing, but it oges into my very original A vs B argument... either they don't need to kill off Tass cuz we'll do it for them, or Tass is one of them, and so is the first to vote.... my only question for you all to ponder is this... why would tass include in his talk about not bandwagoning a vote? Why would he make the first vote... and especially if so, why whorlichan? because he knew no one would bandwagon the very first "random" vote? Just something to think about... I really haven't decided what I"m doing yet, but want to point out this odd aberration to all of you and would wonder if tass has a plausible explanation

[Tasselfoot]

well, i wanted to make the first post. i even told LD and chardish this. i wanted to do it just so i could make the 1st random accusation, completely biasedly of course... since i'm dating whorli. i think thats a pretty good reason.... i knew it would annoy her, and that makes me smile.

[sleeplessdragn]

looking at blah's msg, i can see how tass was immediately talking about not bandwagoning. my vote goes to tasslefoot.

[Cenright]

Besides, how many wolves would be too scared to make the first move?

[whorlichan]

i knew it would annoy her, and that makes me smile.
Yeah, that's a good enough reason for him to do just about anything. Although it made me smile too. So perhaps his evil plan is backfiring.

[Tasselfoot]

i was talking about not bandwagon voting because of everything that happened last game.... yet some of you are still doing it. i appreciate bandit, blah, emccky, etc for at least thinking about their decisions and weighing whats been said before jumping all over me.

[emccky]

Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Tasselfoot, Tasuke, Whorlichan (5)
Tasselfoot: Emccky, Flypie, Kilgamyan, QreepyBoris, The Q, sleeplessdragn (6)
Roopert: Kagome, ImEric (2)
Blahblah: Lightdarkness (1)

[Tasselfoot]

just as a side note.... where are kagome/eric... its obvious that roopert is a retarded choice of vote right now, regardless of voting for me or flypie or anyone else suspicious.



edit: i sent this to emccky in an IM. i think it is quite meaningful.

if anything... you need to ask yourself this... "am i sure tass is a wolf. if there is even a chance of him being human, will that chance be worth it in the long run? is he someone that will help the humans more than most others?" and, if you feel that even if there is only a 20% chance i'm human... but a 200% edge (or whatever) that if i'm human i am worthwhile... then vote to keep me. basically, if my good outweighs my potential bad. that is, if in the end you are still unsure.

[emccky]

After recent events, I am changing my vote to Flypie.

[Cenright]

There it is now 6 on flypie and 5 on tass.


And I would like it if LD explained his vote.


One explanation: All the dark jedi DO NOT want to all be together in the beginning to arouse suspicion. Also, when was the last time LD said something about anyone? Emccky stuck to his vote, but kept telling us, blatently showing himself. LD said his stuff and disappeared.

[QreepyBORIS]

Emccky's a ****ing FLIPFLOPPER. That's what it looks to me. Course, being as it is early in the game, I can't blame him TOO much....

Urk. This voting is tricky business. But if there is only a 20% chance of Tassel being human, kill him. 20% chance of him being a wolf? Those are high percentage odds compared with the number of people. So statistically, I think we may as well.

[emccky]

Cen, if you read all of blah's posts, he/she is very suspicious. blah is actually my back up vote right now if i am given reason to vote someone else.

[The_Q]

The more I think about it the less Tass looks like the man. When this thing happened last game were the players guilty? Nope. Want proof? Look through the last game and it's recap. It's all over.

My initial vote for Tass was because he did what Eric did, tip his hand ASAP. That's not cool. Next he starts to refute the claims against what could have been a simple error in the way he wrote something. I do it all the time.

Now all I can think of for his constant defiance of the "evidence" against him is frustration. If you were accused of any crime, in this case a simple murder(no matter how fake it is) wouldn't you be unhappy? Now think of being accused repeatedly. Ouch, huh? I guess that Guido has been rather silent. Too silent if you ask me.

Now, let me also point out how inefficient you're all being. Let's all focus on one person and make him squirm until he slips up, right? Wrong. Split up and question other people. The more people we question, the more intel we get and the faster we get it. Remember to use AIM.

Q

[emccky]

qreepy, i am no flip flopper. (OH GOD I SOUND LIKE KERRY) My initial vote was for Tassel, just because of some misunderstanding of what he said. After talking some, reading others posts, and seeing how others were reacting, i have now decided to vote for flypie.

[QreepyBORIS]

Urk, I'll have to look that over then.

I'm working, indeed, on TWO essays tonight. My brain is frazzled. But I swear you switched more than once.


Oh, and I'm just wondering, is EVERY voting round going to take more than 7 pages to finish?

[emccky]

read the last 5 pages, my vote for tass stayed from the first page to the 5th.

[QreepyBORIS]

read the last 5 pages

Note how I have to write 2 essays.

[Kilgamayan]

My god, you people are stupid.

edit: i sent this to emccky in an IM. i think it is quite meaningful.

if anything... you need to ask yourself this... "am i sure tass is a wolf. if there is even a chance of him being human, will that chance be worth it in the long run? is he someone that will help the humans more than most others?" and, if you feel that even if there is only a 20% chance i'm human... but a 200% edge (or whatever) that if i'm human i am worthwhile... then vote to keep me. basically, if my good outweighs my potential bad. that is, if in the end you are still unsure.

In my entire TWG career, I have never wanted to be the vigilante more, and this is why.

[emccky]

kilga, I think its smart to get rid of the weaker players first.

[blahblah18]

haha, The Q makes a good point, about talking to people and what not... I hope people contact me through AIM, I put the SN up,.. and by the way, I'm a guy, my name's Scott.. and I can assume that one of the 3 or 4 people that haven't spoken yet has done so on purpose and is a wolf waiting in the shadows

[The_Q]

My god, you people are stupid.

edit: i sent this to emccky in an IM. i think it is quite meaningful.

if anything... you need to ask yourself this... "am i sure tass is a wolf. if there is even a chance of him being human, will that chance be worth it in the long run? is he someone that will help the humans more than most others?" and, if you feel that even if there is only a 20% chance i'm human... but a 200% edge (or whatever) that if i'm human i am worthwhile... then vote to keep me. basically, if my good outweighs my potential bad. that is, if in the end you are still unsure.

In my entire TWG career, I have never wanted to be the vigilante more, and this is why.

Someone learned cost-benefit analysis! w00t!

Sorry, I'm just happy that economics is going past just one reg.

Q

[blahblah18]

i know cost-benefit analysis :) I"m taking game theory right now too! also, i don't liek the quietness of roopert , LD etcetera

[banditcom]

I think tassel is stupid for doing what he did. It actually makes me kind of want to vote for him for being retarded....

[chardish]

I'm not defending anyone, I just think it's funny that you're criticizing people for being quiet even though you've posted 6 pages in 6 and a half hours.

30 MORE HOURS TO GO UNTIL THE VOTING DEADLINE

:P

[blahblah18]

heh, also just out of curiosity based on Q's comment, does anyone mind being IMed over this game? I would kinda like to, unless people woudl think it stupid or what not :)

[Kilgamayan]

And just so everyone knows, is Tass is a wolf, then Cenright probably is one too.

Just read through his posts and you'll see for yourself - it's like he and Tass don't want anyone to vote for anyone.

[Tasselfoot]

blahblah... no one minds. i've IMed with at least half the players in the game.

and bandit... everything i did was for a reason.

also, Q... yes, cost-benefit... but i like the poker reference of implied future pot odds better.

[emccky]

I think people should be more concerned with people like qreepy and flypie.. but thats my opinion

[The_Q]

I haven't heard anything from Fly and Qreepy is easy to read. Guido is just as smart as I am and hasn't said a word. Is he scheming?

Tass can't be a wolf. If he was a wolf the same pattern would have occured, which would be a CT reg being knocked off first. Just like me. Snapps is not a CT regular, and I honestly wouldn't consider him a threat. Either they want us to think they're not bright or they're just plain dull. Let's say it's the former.

Tass would be a definate option, but he wouldn't have spoken out so soon. Showing even a slight tip of his hand would give him away. Most likely it's just a slip up, as I said before. Maybe he was still gathering and organizing his cards. Guido, on the otherhand, is far more organized (no offense to Tass). He would avoid saying a word in order to keep himself safe. He'd also change the pattern of kills so that it's not as obvious. Sure, Tass seems to be hiding behind the last game's trends, but that doesn't mean that he's a wolf. Some people just like statistics, and the best statistics are the ones people connect to.

Yes, I vote my running mate. Why? Like we advertise, he's intelligent.

Q

[blahblah18]

out of curiosity, since I'm not a huge poster here and it is relevant.. what would you guys rate the top 4 or 5 people in terms of people thinking they're smart / significant contributors in CT etcetera.. thanks for helping me out here

EDIT: That are in this game

[The_Q]

I can't say, but I am interested in seeing the results.

Q

[chardish]

This vote is very controversial and split down the middle, and I think you all need a bit more time to figure it out - people are still making their cases clear, and even some vote changing is going on. Plus, not everyone has gotten a chance to speak up. Thus, the votes will be counted at 8 PM tomorrow EST or when all the votes are in - whichever comes LAST. The voting deadline remains the same.

Reread the previous two sentences so you understand it.

[QreepyBORIS]

I think people should be more concerned with people like qreepy and flypie.. but thats my opinion

Hooray for arbitrarity?

[blahblah18]

Hooray for arbitrarity?

Hooray for made-up words? :)

[Cenright]

That word exists.

[GuidoHunter]

OKAY.

Sorry for my absence, people, but when I tried to post my first (random) accusation it was still the first page, but my intArweb broke down, so I couldn't make a post. I definitely wanted to be in here, seeing the posts as they came up (it's much more meaningful than going back and rereading them all). I told chardish to remember my vote for me in the case that I didn't get it back, but here I am. Board games have occupied most of my night, but I've now read all the posts and am ready to get into this game.

I've decided to change my initial guess due to the posts that have been made, so it's irrelevant. I have my suspicions as to who's a wolf, but I feel I need to cast my vote now for Flypie. She doesn't seem to be acting as a wolf (hell, she hasn't said much at all), but I want to do this to try to keep Tassel in the game. The way I look at it is this: This has come down to two options, Flypie or Tassel. Flypie hasn't said anything useful, so she's not going to be any help to us. If Tassel is indeed a human, his input will be useful, as he's definitely thinking a lot about this game. If he is a wolf posing as a human, his words will eventually show his true colors.

As for talking on AIM, I was against it, due to the fact that I think all discussion should go on the forums so that everyone can see (dynamic roles), but I'll talk if y'all wanna chat with me.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[blahblah18]

wow, awesome mini animation guido.. I love REjected

[GuidoHunter]

Thanks, blah. =)

Okay, after re-reading the first seven pages (for the second time), I've decided that you may not get very much out of me over AIM. At least not now. I'm a trusting person by nature, so I'd rather not let on to a wolf (who I think is human) that I'm suspecting his or her brother. I did that last game and look where it got me: killed on the second night.

The only reason I see for telling y'all whom I suspect right now is for bragging rights ("I TOLD you he/she was a wolf"), so I'm going to hold off for a bit more.

One more thing for all to consider: Who played the game last time, and how did their style change? Who is completely new to the game and is making the same mistakes that some did last game?

OOC: Man, this game is crazy. I find myself editing and re-edinting my posts so as to not spark too much anti-Guido sentiment on both sides.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lightdarkness]

I really hate to change my vote, but i'm sorry, Tass Has made TOO MUCH of an effort in these 7 pages to stay alive and convince others that he is an asset in this game.

Flypie has made one post. She voted for Tass "to be random". Now, she probably did this because she and Tass havn't gotten along in the past. What to know why I voted for blahblah first? I've never heard of him, so I didn't feel bad voting for him. How is that anything differtn.

Flypie has said 5 words, how does that make her different than some of the others who have had short posts.

Tass has bassicly said to all of you "Hey, i'm not a wolf this time and you can trust me cause I was awesome last round". LIKE HE WOULD TELL US IF HE WAS A WOLF!!!!

I'm not asking you to swtich you vote, but I am however, asking you to actually use your brain.

[flypie743]

OK, sorry guys that I haven't been around for these 7 pages. I was feeling might sick last night and needed a good rest.

If you would like to know how I picked my vote: Now, she probably did this because she and Tass havn't gotten along in the past. What to know why I voted for blahblah first? I've never heard of him, so I didn't feel bad voting for him. How is that anything differtn. EXACTLY. I just have had arguements in the past with him, so why not pick him :P. It didn't care who everyone above me picked, except The_Q because he is very logical and I am sure he had his reasons for picking Tass, so that didn't hurt me picking Tass at all. I could care less that emccky picked Tass....

Really, I don't get how you guys can say I am a wolf. I don't get your logic. Because I made a short post? I am sick, I swear, my mom was yelling at me to get off. Really, Tasselfoot looks suspicious. Oh, don't start a bandwagon you guys. Next thing you know, he is on the bandwagon and voting for me. And like LD said, WHY would he just say Oh I am not a wolf, trust me. Oh yeah, and he expects us to trust him? He looks rather suspicious to me.

Come on you guys, use your brain. Have I said anything, ANYTHING that would make it seem like I am a "Dark Jedi/Wolf". Gosh, use your brains.

Plus, Tasselfoot was a wolf last roun. What makes you think Chardish didn't want to trick us up and make him a wolf again? :P

My vote stands as Tasselfoot

[emccky]

Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Tasselfoot, Tasuke, Whorlichan, Guido, Emccky(7)
Tasselfoot: LD, Flypie, Kilgamyan, QreepyBoris, , sleeplessdragn (5)
Roopert: Kagome, ImEric (2)
Guido: The Q (1)

[flypie743]

Use your brains, people. That's all I have to say.

[flypie743]

Flypie hasn't said anything useful, so she's not going to be any help to us. If Tassel is indeed a human, his input will be useful, as he's definitely thinking a lot about this game. If he is a wolf posing as a human, his words will eventually show his true colors.

I was sick last night :(, sorry I couldn't contribute. But I am feeling better today, stayed home from school, and hopefully I will re-cooperate.

Yes I know OMGWTFBBQ DOUBLE POST. Too bad. I want everyone to know that I was sick and couldn't be on the computer.

Use your brains,
Flypie

[emccky]

i have my doubts, but im sticking with my vote.

[flypie743]

i have my doubts, but im sticking with my vote.

:( Big mistake.

[roopert]

Ok first of all, sorry it has taken me so long to vote, the site kept showing as down for me because I was going through www.xqsite.com or whatever which used to work, but I have solved that problem now.

Anyways, after reading all 7 of these pages I am a bit torn. My gut tells me that Emccky is a wolf or dark jedi from his posts. He is always trying to distract attention away from himself and focus it on other people saying they jump on bandwagons or are "suspicious". However, it seems no one else has voted him, so I'm not going to throw away my vote this round. For this reason I am voting for flypie. It is too early in the game to vote off someone like Tass who might be very vital to us winning in the future even though he is acting rather suspicious. He is either a risky/genius wolf or a risky/stupid human and I think it's a bit too early to tell.

[Kilgamayan]

Okay, let's look at this a different way.

Which would be worse for the humans? Killing off a fellow human as smart as Tasselfoot? Or letting a wolf as smart as Tasselfoot off scot-free?

Given the sheer size of this game, there are enough smart humans that Tasselfoot is really no great loss. However, since there are only 3 wolves, that would be a big blow.

[flypie743]

I change my vote to emccky. I agree with roopert.

[roopert]

Now it looks like Flypie is trying to divert all the attention off of herself and jump on someone else's bandwagon to save herself. Now obviously she doesn't want to get killed, but if that's the case, then give reasons why you think he is a wolf rather than just agreeing with a "swing voter". My vote stays the same

[flypie743]

Actually, no. I think that Tasselfoot is not a DarkJedi. Didn't want to waste my vote on him any longer. Emccky looked suspicious. I picked him.

There was no bandwagon to jump on. Is there any other vote for emccky?

I just have a feeling that emccky is a Dark Jedi.

[lightdarkness]

I'm extremely supprised.

Everyone thought flypies silence was a sign she was a wolf. SHE WAS SICK PEOPLE!!!!

Roopert, everyone is trying to divert attention from themselves, thats what you are supposed to do! This first round you want to try and get information, but really, the first round is a toss up!

The only one who flat out said stuff, is Tass! He is trying to gain trust early in the game, and you are all falling for it because, he was a wolf last game, and you all belive he wont' be this game.

Come on people, use your heads!

[Kilgamayan]

Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Tasselfoot, Tasuke, Whorlichan, emccky, GuidoHunter, roopert (8)

Tasselfoot: Kilgamyan, QreepyBoris, sleeplessdragn, lightdarkness (4)

Roopert: Kagome, ImEric (2)

Guido: The Q (1) <- Wow, your vote change REALLY made a difference. Brilliant strategic move, my boy.

emccky: flypie743 (1) <- Ditto to the above, except yours is WORSE because right now a vote not for Tass is essentially a vote for you. What was that you were saying about "Use your brains"? >_>

That's 16. Who hasn't voted?

[blahblah18]

I haven't voted, and someone else hasn't that I don't know

[flypie743]

I need to get the votes off my back. It seemed like voting for Tass was a lost cause. I needed to do something. I might have to change my vote back to save myself. Voting doesn't end until later tonight correct?

[Kilgamayan]

Voting will end quicker if you get one more vote because once the count hits 9 that's an autolynch and chardish will kill you off immediately if he notices.

blahblah, the only other person besides you who hasn't voted is Snapps, and that's because he kinda can't. So it looks like it's all you right now.

[blahblah18]

I'm pretty sure I'm ready to vote, but I thought Chardish said he was waiting until tonight either way, something about whichever comes last?

[Kilgamayan]

If you're ready to vote, then do it.

[chardish]

Voting will not end any earlier than 8 PM EST tonight under any circumstances.

If all the votes are in by then, voting will end then. If not, final voting deadline is tomorrow at 9 AM EST.

In response to an earlier comment by someone: Roles for this game were completely random. The role you got last game was not considered.

[Tasselfoot]

hold off for a second. flypie and i have been talking, and have both come to the conclusion that neither of us is a wolf.

so, we're both asking for those in the game that believe in our words so far, and feel we are human, to change their vote.

from everyone i've talked to, Q is the one that strikes me as the oddest. both from AIM conversations and here. i'm not certain either way as to if it is just his normal personality, or because he's trying to hide something. i'll go with the latter.

with that said, i'm asking those that trust myself and flypie to change their vote to The_Q. if anything has come from this, flypie and i both see that we are human... and have learned at least 6 others who are surely human as well. that is half of all the people in the game, already.

please do not vote off either myself or flypie. it would be a grave mistake for all humans.

[lightdarkness]

As much as I hate to admit it, but Tass is right.

why didn't the wolves vote off the_q the first night? No offence to everyone else, but he is the most intellegent out of all of us. Tass showed that he needed to go the first round, and it would seem obvious to kill him first, but they chose to kill snapps, that seems odd.

I'm going to have to change my vote to The_Q. I don't like tass in this game, but he is right.

[banditcom]

I don't trust anyone of you bastards!

[lightdarkness]

It is really hard to trust people bandit, but you have to trust someone.

[flypie743]

Yes, Tass and I have come to the conclusion that we are both human. (just to reiterate). I agree in voting off The_Q, just like Tass said, for all the same reasons. He does seem to be hiding something. Please reconsider your votes.

[blahblah18]

I agree with bandit haha

[ImEric12]

Hmm, Tass is right. I was gonna change my vote to flypie, because I didn't really have a reason to vote anyone else off, and assuming that Tass isn't a wolf, he's a very valuable person to have. I like that last point he made, so my vote gets changed to The_Q.

[Kilgamayan]

Does NO ONE ELSE see the hypocrisy in Tass's post?

Jesus ****ing Christ, you people are idiots.

Let me sum up what Tass just said in comparison to what he's been saying.

"Don't vote for me, I'm smart! Vote for The Q, he's smart!"

Lots of alarms should be going off in every human's head right now.

[blahblah18]

ok this is ridiculous, and its time for me to say something...
I'll just give one easy example as to what could be going on here...
THe wolves see what happened last game and think it woudl be too obvious if they start voting off the smartest players, so instead they try to get them out during the voting time which serves 2 putposes: it gets out the peopel they want, and it allows a safe killing at night.. this takes all suspicion off the true wolves...
Even more humorous is that Tass is trying to damn Q with the logic he's been using to save himself... I was ready to vote, but I definately see a specific voting bloc going on here and would want to know if anyone else sees a different candidate that they can vote for me to throw my support to...

[blahblah18]

I'm leaning heavily back to the thoght that we should look at Tass,Whorli,LD anyone else see how one can see what they might have been trying from the very start? man, I"m just suspicious of everyone right now

[Tasselfoot]

i don't see a voting block at all. 1. flypie and i were on opposite sides. 2. eric wasn't on either side. 3. ld wasn't on my side at all earlier. 4. now all of us have come together for a greater purpose.

and how am i trying to oust Q with the same logic as trying to save myself? yes, cost-benefit, sure... but, i know i'm not a wolf. Q flat out wanted a bribe from me to change his vote. i said no, so he went to guido, someone who hadn't said a word yet. that makes so little sense to me.

and also, the more kilga keeps talking, the more i feel he is human... time will tell though.

[whorlichan]

Power outages suck. We had no power and no water for several hours, or I would have been back sooner to revote.

What's with the bribing people to change votes? It's just a game, seriously.

The_Q is now my choice, both because he does seem to be hiding something, and because if flypie ISN'T a wolf, she could be helpful to the humans. If she is, we can get rid of her later...for now she doesn't seem to be doing any harm.

[Kilgamayan]

and how am i trying to oust Q with the same logic as trying to save myself?

My bad, LD said it, not you.

By the way, I'd like to request no one talk to me about this game over PMs or AIM unless you have a DAMN good reason. Anything you have to say to me can be said in public.

[GuidoHunter]

THANK YOU!!!

Okay, so I didn't want to come out with my suspicions before, but in light of recent posts and vote changes, I think it's about time. For the good of the humans, I think I need to put myself in the front and try to get a wolf out.

So why am I changing my vote to The Q? Well...
He voted for me. It wasn't even at the beginning, either. So why would he do that?[list=a:f9dc650bbb] I don't think his first vote was at all random, like they usually are for the first round. I'm his running mate; we're cool, so why would he randomly vote me? I know I wouldn't randomly pick my friend to possibly be killed off the first round. I also realize that Tassel did the same, but The Q and I aren't exactly dating. Look at his reasoning. He said that I was being quiet (which I was, but completely unintentionally), so I might be scheming. I can't think of a worse reason to pick someone the first round, especially me (from his point of view, that is). He's not dumb enough to suspect that I was a wolf just because I had been quiet the first day, so... He must be worried about me. I think he sees me as someone who might be able to figure him out, so he's trying to gain some support against me. Fortunately, everyone else was too busy with Flypie and Tassel. He's acting suspicous. Just read his first few posts. When I read through the first seven pages the second time, I did so with a neutral opinion (which means I was open to moving either way) about everyone, and the one who came out with the most suspicion to me was The Q. He hasn't spoken to me about the game yet. I know this is less significant than the rest, but I expected at least one short convo about the game. What's different from last game? He's a wolf, and doesn't want to do anything to give himself away to me. At least, that's what I think.[/list:o:f9dc650bbb]

Okay, so as of writing this there were three other votes for The Q. I make four, and since those other votes came from people originally voting for Tassel and Flypie, we can definitely swing this to The Q. I wasn't very convinced about the wolf-ness of the other two, but I just feel it about The Q. I ask y'all to help me out on this one.

EDIT: Okay, so I make six votes. That's even better.

OOC: I LOVE the [list] command! Also, I may not have gotten all my points out this post, as this is the second time I'm writing it. Ugh, losing the first one really pissed me off.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[emccky]

flypie has the logic of "Oh, a lot of people are voting for someone, i must agree with them" this is why im voting for her. She won't help out the game even if she is human. Shes a bandwagon voter, and we don't need people like that to help find wolves.

[QreepyBORIS]

Well, that turned aroud quickly. O_o

<--Deliberating.

[ImEric12]

Yes, but if everyone voted for someone different, we would'nt get very much accomplished, would we? One person would end up deciding which person was going to get killed, because there would be a bunch of people with only one vote tacked on them, no one any higher. To an extent, we need some bandwagonning to make progress.

[emccky]

people need to make decisions that are smart, not follow what others think.

[ImEric12]

One person bandwaggoning isn't gonna hurt anyone, especially when there are more important things to be done, instead of voting of someone for a reason like that.

[QreepyBORIS]

people need to make decisions that are smart, not follow what others think.

What if they have good and elaborate thinking? What if their ideas are genuinely good? If everyone goes independent, then obviously NOTHING gets done See: Congress. A total lack of bandwagoning is impossible. But too much, of course, is even worse.

So, if someone follows another person's smart decision, isn't that a smart decision? Just wondering.

By the way, my vote's still at Tass. At least, for the moment. Considering emc a little (he seems human enough) and of course The_Q and Flypie.

[emccky]

I need to see the tally of votes, i may be changing my vote deciding on how this turns out.

[lightdarkness]

flypie has the logic of "Oh, a lot of people are voting for someone, i must agree with them" this is why im voting for her. She won't help out the game even if she is human. Shes a bandwagon voter, and we don't need people like that to help find wolves.

Whats that? You are saying "Who cares if we kill a human, cause she won't help". Hey emeccky, WE ARE TRYING TO KILL THE WOLVES YOU IDIOT.

Think about it.

[emccky]

I was saying it's worth the risk getting rid of her because i do believe there is a chance she is a wolf, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[lightdarkness]

Well, maybe it's worth getting rid of a political figure because there is a chance they might be a spy.

[emccky]

horrible analogy. There is a chance flypie is a wolf, bandwagon voting is typical wolf behavior. Now i'm getting a little suspicious of LD being a wolf along with flypie.

[chardish]

Chardish's Friendly Guide To Bandwagon Voting™

The Q: Flypie, ImEric, LD, Tasselfoot, Whorlichan, Guido (6)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Emccky, Roopert, Tasuke (5)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBoris, SleeplessDragn (3)
Guido: The Q (1)
Roopert: Kagome (1)

That totals 16. Out of the 17 players (Snapps died, remember), only Blahblah has yet to vote.

[emccky]

The only way i will not get far in this game is if you and flypie are in fact wolves, and kill me in the night.

[The_Q]

I change to flypie for one reason. I want to stay in for another round. Voting her is the safest method of doing so.

And you guys think I'm a wolf. That's sad. It's probably true, though. I have been acting weird. Or is it just that I'm paranoid. Isn't it true that I normally have some logic to cling to? I'm more afraid of this first round than any other.

Which brings me to another point. Of course my first vote wasn't random. I looked at Tass's post and it looked suspicious. From what I believe, I read far too much into it.

So you're all voting me? Now, let me point out. Tass could be a wolf. Not only did I save him (that double crossing terd). Doesn't this prove he is a wolf more? I was killed last game by Tass in the first round. If he's wolf again he wouldn't dare do it again. Tass would do someone that 's not as bright, just to change the pattern. After that he'll convince everyone else that one of the brightest, me, is a wolf. He's using my paranoia against me. He getting me lynched by the mob instead of the wolves.

It makes perfect sense. And if it does, and I'm saved, I'm going to be wolfed anywho. Nice knowing you, folks.

Q

[flypie743]

Congrats on 300 posts, Q :P

[lightdarkness]

I have a question.

We are trying to get rid of the wolves. If you think that tass is a wolf, vote for him. You admitted the only reason you voted for flypie is to save yourself, not to get rid of a werewolf.

[The_Q]

If I don't vote flypie I'm out of the game. I don't want to be out of the game. I was out of the game last time. That sucked. My official vote goes to flypie, but my real accusation goes to Tass.

Q

[lightdarkness]

If I don't vote flypie I'm out of the game. I don't want to be out of the game. I was out of the game last time. That sucked. My official vote goes to flypie, but my real accusation goes to Tass.

Q

Um... wow.

Way to like, play the game.

[The_Q]

There's no rule against it. I'm just suggesting Tass. Oh, hell, why not. If I'm voted out, I blame it on you, LD. All you. Tass.

Just to make it more convincing. I know I'm dead anyway. Even LD says I'm dangerously smart.

Q

[flypie743]

Q, you are dangerously smart.

[The_Q]

That's two posts in a row, Fly. Thanks.

Q

[Kilgamayan]

Q, you are dangerously smart.

And Tass isn't?

Anyway. Q is not dead yet because there will be a runoff once blahblah votes.

Assuming people don't change their votes for the umpteenth time.

[The_Q]

Can you say "hanging chad"? This scares the living carp out of me.

Q

[lightdarkness]

The Q: Flypie, ImEric, LD, Tasselfoot, Whorlichan, Guido (6)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Emccky, Roopert, Tasuke (5)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBoris, SleeplessDragn, The_Q (4)
Roopert: Kagome (1)

[emccky]

flypie stop making stupid posts like congrats on 300 posts and stuff like that.. this is why im voting for you. you aren't helping out at all, and i think your a wolf.

[emccky]

Kagome, a vote for Roopert right now is worthless. I would suggest voting for someone you feel is a threat/wolf that would actually mean something in the votes right now.

[flypie743]

Wtf, I am helping. That was not a stupid post. Q has been posting here in the CT boards for a while, why not congratulate him?

Emccky, why don't you stop being such an idiot, you make stupid posts everywhere else. In about a ton of threads you just wrote "gg" and that was even outside the garbage bin.

Kagome, vote for who you want and don't listen to this idiot.

[emccky]

this isn't the thread to "congratulate" someone on 300 posts. This is a strategic game, let's actually play it. Anyways, i'm done argueing with flypie, and im sticking with my vote for her. Hopefully blah does the right thing.

[ImEric12]

While I agree that it wasn't the time or place to make post-count congratulations, I'm gonna side with flypie, and say that you're making waaay to big of a deal out of this. Something as trivial as that is NOT a reason to vote someone out.

[whorlichan]

Emccky--voting for flypie right now is pretty stupid. Look at what's been going on.

Assume you've accepted that Tass is human, why would he be trying to save her if she was a wolf? Assume that he's a wolf, and you have the problem of why he would vote against her in the first place. They can't BOTH be wolves or neither one would have been fighting the other--and Tass can't be a wolf because he wouldn't be trying to help her out.

It seems pretty obvious that they're both human, and you're wasting a vote that could help get rid of someone much more likely to be a Dark Jedi.

[GuidoHunter]

Kagome made a first-page random vote in the same way I did. Since it had to be completely random, he chose a noob rather than someone he knows. I happened to choose blahblah first for that very reason, but after seeing posts I decided to change.

Kag hasn't been back since the first page, so maybe he hasn't had a chance to come back and make an informed vote.

emccky, lay off. I must say, though, you're either a brilliant player, or a really dumb one.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[flypie743]

He's voting for me because I congratulated a friend on their post count, it made perfect sense to me to write it. Q had just written he is voting me out. I saw perfect reason why, and wanted to let him know that it's cool--so I congratulate them on their post count which happened to be at 300.

If you are voting me out because of that emccky, that's lame. And Whorli makes perfect sense. Think about it.

[lightdarkness]

New information has come to me informing me without a doubt that The_Q is NOT a wolf. I hate to change my vote this late before the voting closes, but I don't want to vote out someone I know for sure isn't a wolf. Therefore, due to my suspicions, I change my vote to Qreepy

[emccky]

considering i changed my vote to you before you even posted the cogratulation post, that is not my reason to vote you off.

[GuidoHunter]

How could you have indubitable proof, LD? The only things I can think of is that you're either cheating, which is lame, engaging in wolf-ish behavior, which is okay, or holding out on the rest of the humans.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Since all of us who have been moving votes back and forth have received this new information, i also change to qreepy

now, we can't be certain that qreepy is a wolf, but at least we've come to the conclusion that myself, flypie, q, and a handful of others aren't. ld, whorli, cenright included.

so, sorry to do it again... but ld, flypie, and myself request that the votes for Q change their votes once again to qreepy.


edit: guido.... we aren't cheating. we do have info we're holding out from other humans... for reasons that should be obvious. we don't know for sure that some people are humans.

[emccky]

The Q: Flypie, ImEric, Whorlichan, Guido (4)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Emccky, Roopert, Tasuke (5)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBoris, SleeplessDragn, The_Q (4)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot (2)

[ImEric12]

Yeah, what's your evidence? I'd be willing to change if you can convince me...

[flypie743]

Trust me, guys, switch to Qreepy.

[The_Q]

It's the first round and there's more chicanery than I'd want. That's why.

For now, I stick with Tass.

Q

[ImEric12]

Yeah, sounds convincing enough to me. Qreepy.

[whorlichan]

Based on this astonishing new evidence, I have to go along with those I trust.
QreepyBORIS

[lightdarkness]

The Q: Guido (1)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Emccky, Roopert, Tasuke (5)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBoris, SleeplessDragn, The_Q (4)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot, Flypie, ImEric,Whorlichan, (5)

[emccky]

evidence is building up against him, i switch my vote for the last time to QreepyBORIS

[The_Q]

I just got more intel. Qreepy I'm sorry, man. You're the wolf.

Q

[ImEric12]

The Q: Guido (1)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Roopert, Tasuke (4)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBORIS, SleeplessDragn (3)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot, ImEric12, whorlichan, flypie, The_Q, emccky (7)

[QreepyBORIS]

How the hell would he be able to cheat?

Though, if he were, that would be pretty boss. :O

LD:
I hate to change my vote this late before the voting closes, but I don't want to vote out someone I know for sure isn't a wolf. Therefore, due to my suspicions, I change my vote to Qreepy

Three cheers for arbitrarity!

Hip hip! Hooray!

Hip hip! Hooray!

Hip hip! Hooray!



EDIT: Whoa, missed the ENTIRE PAGE 12!

So, I hear there is a "building of" "astonsihing new evidence" that I am a wolf. Funny, because not once did you provide evidence that I am a wolf. I am seeing mountains and mountains of horse crap. Proove me wrong. Your evidence is, well, not there.

Essentially, we have a coalition of people who were voted against that want to save their asses. Why would anyone want to do that? Oh, wait....

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, okay. I can understand holding information, and I trust that y'all aren't cheating, but (barring wolf-ish behavior) I still would like to know if this new information is, in fact, proof without a doubt that The Q is not a wolf? Or is it just a really good guess that could be backed up to make your assumption believable beyond reasonable doubt?

Was my suspicion flat-out wrong? I'm sorry, but until I can be convinced otherwise, I'm sticking with The Q. And if you want me to change, I need to be contacted rather quickly. I don't want to vote to lynch a human.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lightdarkness]

The Q: Guido (1)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Roopert, Tasuke (4)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBORIS, SleeplessDragn, The_Q (4)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot, ImEric12, whorlichan, flypie Emccky, (6)

[roopert]

what the hell? How can you seriously just tell us to change our vote to Qreepy without any reason other than "just trust me man, i could be a wolf, but just blindly trust me anyway". There is no way I am changing my vote to Qreepy without some solid proof or at least something better than "trust me!!!!1". Talk about herding the sheep.... However, I now think Tass is a wolf among a few others so I change my vote to him in hopes of lynching a wolf tonight and not someone completely random on a bandwagon without reason. Hopefully, some of you others will do the same and we can kill a wolf.

[QreepyBORIS]

Note that I edited my post above.

EDIT: On the OTHER page.

Do read.

[ImEric12]

No, trust him. Q isn't a wolf.

[emccky]

40 minutes until the votes are tallied up. Anyone that wants to change votes, do so now.

[Cenright]

The Q: Guido (1)
Flypie: Banditcom, Cenright, Tasuke (3)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBORIS, Roopert, SleeplessDragn (4)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot, ImEric12, whorlichan, flypie Emccky, The_Q (7)

[ImEric12]

GUYS! Both Cenright and LD's countups are screwed:

I just got more intel. Qreepy I'm sorry, man. You're the wolf.

Q

[roopert]

Eric: I'm not going to trust anyone without proof or at least a theory. Anyone who does really shouldn't be playing this game in the first place.

[whorlichan]

Why is everyone completely ignoring the fact that The_Q changed his vote to Qreepy?

Edit: Thank you, Eric.

[The_Q]

Nope. But I am glad I came up with that strategy. I'll have to make a variation of it if I ever become one. I am unsure, but the new evidence about this has me wavering to Qreepy. I'm sure everyone who voted for him has the same evidence. After all, I don't trust any of you worth one of Qreepy's piles of horse dung. Why would I just simply bandwagon when I can start a bandwagon of my own (see my first post here)?

So, as far as I'm concerned,Qreepy is the wolf we need to worry about. If Tass ends up being a wolf, he'd be wise not to kill a reg from CT this round. That'd give him away.

Q

Q

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double sig for double goodness. Sorry about that, you OCD people.

[lightdarkness]

Roopert, I suggest you get AIM, because a hell of a lot of chitter chatter is going on it right now.

[emccky]

because it isn't significant right now.

[roopert]

Q was just changing his vote to anything that wouldn't get him killed early on. Hopefully he will switch his vote to Tass unless he got that "undoubtable super-secret proof" that I haven't seen yet.


I'm on AIM. My SN is InsanelyCoolness (childish, I know but don't judge me for it :P)

[QreepyBORIS]

No, trust him. Q isn't a wolf.

Quoted for lack of evidence. Because you know, you'd better not post any evidence for fear that I am going to refute it.

[The_Q]

I was using LD's voting method. Thanks for noticing my survivalist and rather paranoid nature. I'm quite insecure about it.

Q

[Tasselfoot]

roopert... maybe if you had your AIM available to us, you might learn this information. since almost everyone is talking about it over AIM, and not here.

[GuidoHunter]

@Roopert: You have to learn to trust that some people are human eventually. I agree that it may be a bit too early now, though.

That said, I don't have this "new information", so I'm not changing my vote. The way I see it, my suspicions are the best thing I have to go on, since the wolves haven't killed anyone meaningful yet.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ImEric12]

roopert, things are much easier if you enter that into your profile, so an AIM icon shows up under your posts.

[The_Q]

Qreepy, the more you dispute this the more guilty you look.

Q

[QreepyBORIS]

What's there to dispute?

"I HAVE EVIDENCE LOL"

"Uh, where?"

"I KANT TELL U OMG"


Sounds enormously credible.

Not.

[emccky]

sounding more suspicious then ever, qreepy

[roopert]

Ok, so after talking with LD on AIM he apparently thinks for 100% sure that Q isn't a wolf. yet despite me efforts, he can't show me this proof. Have you considered the likely possibility that he lied about having a special role in order to save himself? The only way you could be 100% sure about him having a special role is if you got a screen shot of it which is against the rules so how can you be so sure? I urge everyone who hasn't seen the actual "proof" to vote Tass and not be so blindly persuaded.

[QreepyBORIS]

Not that I can convince YOU guys.

But you see, "suspicious" is the most overused word that doesn't really mean anything in particualr. All it does is denotes a lack of evidence. See: Analysis of last game. Wow, we got raped.

And since you have no evidence to bolster your claims with, how the hell DON'T people suspect YOU?

[GuidoHunter]

Qreepy, this is still the first vote. There is no evidence for anyone, so we have to vote on suspicions. All they are are hunches developed by observing everyone else.

roopert, was that divulging of information really necessary? Q's off of the chopping block.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[emccky]

and that some people know several others are NOT wolves, basing votes off of that now also.

[QreepyBORIS]

Word has come down that Q has a special role.

Wow, since there is so many people in on that, by default a wolf already knows he does. Nice work raping a townie, guys. See, this doesn't even count a SPITEFUL, since its so ****ing obvious that a wolf practically has to know by now anyways. Nice work. :roll:

So, what's Q's role?

Probably a wolf.

But all things aside, my old vote stands.

[roopert]

Q will be fine. The guardian SHOULD protect him since he is the most logical choice for the wolves to pick if he does indeed have a special role.

[emccky]

If the wolves find out he is going to get protected, they wont try to kill him and waste a free kill..

[roopert]

well who else should the gaurdian protect? he has no other reason to protect anyone....

[QreepyBORIS]

Which is why he's safe. So it's 100% illogical why you did not tell me, being that I am NOT A WOLF.

Your guys' logic has more holes than Swiss Cheese (and it's about as effective, too).

[Cenright]

My vote is changed to Kilga.

Why is it that we all have all this AIM contact yet Kilga seems to have none? Who else has been bashing our voting without any evidence?

[QreepyBORIS]

bjstrattonIM

It's on Arch's site....

[blahblah18]

well I have had no contact from anyone in this block of information, and it seems my vote isn't even hugely important at this point, but I will vote for Tass because of all the information that's been given to ME, that seems the safest vote

although I agree that Q isn't a wolf, but for my own reasons, and not this mysterious one that seems to be floating around

[lightdarkness]

The Q: Guido (1)
Flypie: Banditcom,Tasuke (3)
Tasselfoot: Kilga, QreepyBORIS, Roopert, SleeplessDragn, blahblah (5)
Roopert: Kagome (1)
Qreepy:LD, Tasselfoot, ImEric12, whorlichan, flypie Emccky, The_Q (7)
Kilga: Cenright (1)

[The_Q]

Again, Qreepy. You sound absolutely guilty.

"What proof?" you ask, and then you go off and make some random claim. You have to be a wolf at this rate. Accusing me of having a role to draw attention away from yourself. Not only did you accuse me of having a role, but you also said it was wolf. Wolf! Didn't we already prove this to be untrue? LD and Fly have asked me directly, not to mention bandit. I am not a wolf. I've gotten through two people's interrogations. That's 2. Bandit just asked.

Q

[emccky]

All votes are in, and it is 8:00 PM. Chardish, i think its time..

[Cenright]

Hopefully he has the script already ready for the Lightsaber Decapitation.

[chardish]

All votes are in, so it's locked.

I'm currently writing the script. Hold on for 10 minutes or so.

[chardish]

The passengers of the Republic Ambassador turn towards QreepyBoris.

"There's been a lot of talk recently, and we have reason to suspect you're a Dark Jedi," says Roopert. "Please proceed to the airlock."

Qreepy looks awkwardly towards the ships' windows. The Ambassador is still in hyperspace, despite everything that's happened. The droids still have complete control of the ship.

"You're going to send me, out there, without any sort of spacesuit? You won't even spare an escape pod?" he pleads.

"The escape pod controls are inoperative, thanks to the Dark Jedi's meddlings," says Tasuke. "And we can't get to the emergency suits, either. Thankfully, the airlock controls are all manual."

The Republic dignitaries begin to corner Qreepy against the airlock. Sleeplessdragn pulls on the lever to open the door. Still treading backwards, Qreepy loses his footing and falls into the airlock.

Tasselfoot closes the door. "You're worse than the Dark Jedi!" shouts Qreepy behind six inches of blaster-proof plasteel.

Guido presses a few buttons on the keypad. The other side of the lock opens, and in the blink of an eye Qreepy's body is sucked from the fast-moving ship and is hundreds of miles behind the Ambassador.

And suddenly, the power drops dead again. It is now 0100 Hours (Night 2.) Jedi Knights and Dark Jedi, you know what to do.

OOC: This is one of the most interesting TWGs I've ever seen. There's definitely a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Let's just hope you all realize who's on whose side.

[chardish]

ATTENTION, whoever is using the screen name "FFR TWG" to IM people:

People are assuming you are me. Quit it.

[chardish]

There is silence for a moment. Every person on the ship sits in anxious anticipation of what is about to happen.

A sound comes from the side of the cabin. It is the unmistakable, focused noise of a lightsaber blade extending. It is red. The sound is heard twice more, and a blue and green blade appear, though nothing can be seen about their possessors.

The blue and green blades quickly converge on the red blade, and they clash and spark. The green blade is suddenly shut off as a sharp moan is heard, and a thud against the opposite wall of the red blade. The red and blue blades clash a couple more times, until the blue one, too, is shut off, and the sound is heard of the user falling to the floor. The red blade moves into the middle of the cabin.

"No! No! AAAAGGH!"

The humming of the red blade is subdued a bit as it cuts through flesh.

Moments after the blade recesses, the lights are on. The only voice that is heard is that of the pilot droid over the loudspeaker.

"Please excuse the electrical disturbance, we are having minor malfunctions. We assure you that life support..."

Everyone is standing up, far away from the body of Lightdarkness, who lies in the center of the room. Actually, he lies left of center and right of center, as his torso has been cut down the middle. Everyone appears equally shocked, and no one is holding a lightsaber.

It is now 0130 Hours - Day 2. You've got a maximum of 36 hours and a minimum of 24 hours, people - there's still at least 2 Dark Jedi on board the ship, maybe 3. May the Force be with you.

[GuidoHunter]

OhsnAps.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Kilga

you were so diehard against me in round one early... it smells so bad of a wolfish-type gangbang. and the fact that you were much more open this game than last makes me think you are trying to change your behavior.

[roopert]

wow.... definitely didn't expect LD to go. Is it possible the wolves would lynch one of their own in an attempt totally throw off everyone lol?

[GuidoHunter]

That's a bit farfetched if you ask me. With only three of them (two of them?), that'd be a bit too big of a loss.

The motive for picking LD is what is most important. Was it because he was drawing attention to one of the wolves? Was it because he was active and might be capable of figuring them out or organizing the rest of the humans to figure out who the wolves are?

Possibly, but it might be too soon to tell. I really hate saying that, though, because we don't have too much time. Ugh, this is crazy...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

Why is it that we all have all this AIM contact yet Kilga seems to have none? Who else has been bashing our voting without any evidence?

I took my AIM screenname down from this site because I got more IMs from random people I had no interest in talking to from here than all my other forums combined.

And I have my AIM screenname in my Gfaqs profile.

Regardless, I don't like talking about TWG over AIM because as a basic human, I can't trust anyone, especially not someone who doesn't have the penis to come out and say things in the open. I have no guarantees someone is something (human, seer, guardian, etc) until the game is over. Whatever evidence was offered to you, you must keep in mind that whoever produced it could be lying through their teeth and you'd never know.

In case anyone was wondering where I was when the Qreepy bandwagon got built, packed up, and left, I was busy beating Megaman X Command Mission. <3

and the fact that you were much more open this game than last makes me think you are trying to change your behavior.

Oh, and you've really been hiding under the table yourself this game, right?

My vote remains Tasselfoot.

[The_Q]

Oh, not LD. Well, time for my second guess. Tass. Wait, no, he's apparantly proved himself worthy. I guess it's third choice.
Kilga He's smart enough to organize a plot like what I suggested. Best yet, he even said himself that he doesn't like to talk about things real time (IMs). You afraid of a slip up, Kilga?

Q

[Kilgamayan]

Kilga He's smart enough to organize a plot like what I suggested. Best yet, he even said himself that he doesn't like to talk about things real time (IMs). You afraid of a slip up, Kilga?

I hear you might be the seer.

If such is the case, you should know I'm not a wolf.

My explanation for not liking privacy is explained above.

[Tasselfoot]

what is that BMS link? i never posted that.

[Kilgamayan]

Oh, I pasted the wrong thing.

Lemme fix that, sorry.

EDIT: Okay, it's fixed.

[Tasselfoot]

and the fact that you were much more open this game than last makes me think you are trying to change your behavior.


Oh, and you've really been hiding under the table yourself this game, right?

ah, but i've proven that i'm human to at least 8 people. you haven't. therefore you are under much more suspicion than i. plus, you have been attacking me from the start.

[Kilgamayan]

I'd love it if you could explain how you "proved" anything to anyone.

EDIT: Hm, I guess I didn't take my AIM name out of my profile.

[GuidoHunter]

I'm not going to hold anything against Kilga for the AIM thing. That's a legitimate idea for anyone to have; it just depends on your style of play.

My vote's going to Kilga because I suspected him last game, and everything I questioned about him last game I'm seeing again this game.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Kilga: Tass, The_Q, Guido (3)
Tass: Kilga (1)


and kilga.... i would give all the proof i have for everyone who i know is human to you, but you don't want to be AIM'd. plus, i don't trust you at all.

[banditcom]

I still don't trust any of you.

[blahblah18]

how helpful :)

[Kilgamayan]

All right, I broke down and decided I should AIM for a better solution.

bjstrattonIM: All right, you got your AIM.
bjstrattonIM: Prove to me you're human.
TasselFoot: you first.
bjstrattonIM: I can't.
bjstrattonIM: I know I can't.
bjstrattonIM: Because there's no way.
TasselFoot: then you are in trouble.
bjstrattonIM: Aside from showing the PM or something.
bjstrattonIM: Which is illegal.
TasselFoot: everything you've done here seems to be the logical progression from last game.
bjstrattonIM: I'm still waiting for proof.
TasselFoot: i will tell you that i'm really pissed off.... i wanted the seer to see about you last night, but no, i was seen. what a waste.
bjstrattonIM: It seems very odd that you refuse to explain yourself.
TasselFoot: because i don't trust you.
bjstrattonIM: Almost as if you have something to hide.
bjstrattonIM: Okay.
TasselFoot: i've given proof to half the people in the game, because i'm trusting in them.
bjstrattonIM: If I'm a wolf, I knnow you're human anyway, right?
bjstrattonIM: So what have you got to lose?
TasselFoot: i could be human. i could be the seer. i could be the guardian. i could be the psychic.
TasselFoot: but.... here is my proof, in the easiest way.
TasselFoot: ok. i voted for flypie, right?
bjstrattonIM: One of your several votes was for flypie, yes.
TasselFoot: my 1st real vote. i voted for whorli and emccky before that.
bjstrattonIM: Okay.
TasselFoot: flypie was going to be killed. she had 8 votes against her. right?
bjstrattonIM: I suppose so.
TasselFoot: you can check if you'd like. i'll continue.
bjstrattonIM: Yeah, I'm just still mifed that chardish isn't going by the rules on that subject.
TasselFoot: now. if i was a wolf... then either both myself and flypie are wolves, or i'm a wolf and she's human.
bjstrattonIM: There should be two f's in miffed
bjstrattonIM: Granted.
TasselFoot: if we are both wolves, why on earth would i vote for her, and why would she vote for me.
bjstrattonIM: To throw the humans off.
TasselFoot: that is beyond stupid. because one of us is almost certainly going to get axed. i had 5 votes, she had 8. at that point.
bjstrattonIM: It's beyond stupid to go for misdirection?
bjstrattonIM: I thought that was the whole point of being a wolf.
TasselFoot: that is such a huge gamble.
bjstrattonIM: Not with the FFR crowd.
TasselFoot: its a huge gamble.
bjstrattonIM: They're a bunch of idiots who oculdn't hold a vote with a catcher's mitt.
bjstrattonIM: At BMS, yes, it would be.
bjstrattonIM: Not at FFR.
TasselFoot: then, she IMed me. we talked. i believed her to be human, so we both rallied our troops and moved to Q.
bjstrattonIM: You "believed" her to be human?
bjstrattonIM: What kind of proof is that?
TasselFoot: then Q joins in and starts talking with us. oh ****... Q is human too! ****. and we move to someone else who had been acting suspicious, because there isn't anything concrete to work off of.
bjstrattonIM: How do you know Q is human?
TasselFoot: again, i don't trust you at all.... so i'm not at liberty to give you more details than that.
bjstrattonIM: How do you know Q is human?
TasselFoot: i'm not at liberty to divulge that information.
bjstrattonIM: Let me guess.
bjstrattonIM: Q claimed to have a special role.
TasselFoot: that is possible.
bjstrattonIM: Well.
bjstrattonIM: There are two possible cases.
bjstrattonIM: Q is a normal human.
bjstrattonIM: He comes in and says "I'm human".
bjstrattonIM: Obivously you're not stupid enough to go "Okay, I believe you."
bjstrattonIM: The other option is Q comes in and claims to have a special role.
bjstrattonIM: Obviously, you're not stupid enough to go "Okay, I believe you".
TasselFoot: guess you're at a dead end.
bjstrattonIM: I'm not at the dead end.
bjstrattonIM: You haven't proved anything.
bjstrattonIM: I'm looking for indisputable facts, not theories and probabilities.
bjstrattonIM: If you can't provide out-and-out facts, then you don't have a proof.
TasselFoot: without cheating or being the seer, then i can't have out-and-out facts. and you know that.
TasselFoot: i trust my instincts.
bjstrattonIM: That's still not proof.
bjstrattonIM: At least I got you to admit that.
TasselFoot: proof, high probability... it's worth the risk to me in this game, especially early. and i still have the alternatives in the back of my mind.
TasselFoot: and can you deny that you are the probably target for my "groups" focus this round?
TasselFoot: probable*
bjstrattonIM: Hell no.
bjstrattonIM: I fear for my life at this point.
bjstrattonIM: Any player would, human or wolf.
bjstrattonIM: Especially after seeing how you led the lemmings to three different targets in the same round.
TasselFoot: well, i'm open to any suggestion you have to change my mind. because your entire focus was against me from the start.... which is what i figured the wolves would do.
bjstrattonIM: I can't provide anything to change your mind.
bjstrattonIM: You know that.
TasselFoot: i am really upset. i wanted you to be seen last night.
bjstrattonIM: It's too bad, it would've cleared my name.
bjstrattonIM: :l
TasselFoot: 3 different people told the seer to see you last night. the seer chose to ignore all that.
bjstrattonIM: Lovely.
TasselFoot: they saw me instead. ****ing stupid.
TasselFoot: if you are human... then i'm sorry. if you are human, hopefully someone else willl do something to sway my "lemmings" away.
TasselFoot: because i most certainly would change my vote if probability dictated it.

Given the bolded lines, my vote changes to The Q on the belief that he's trying to set me up by letting the bunch of humans that were involved in whatever convo believe he's the seer.

---

EDIT:

TasselFoot: ::sigh:: q isn't the seer.
bjstrattonIM: Well, it would've been good to know that.
TasselFoot: i never said he was or wasn't.
TasselFoot: you assumed.
bjstrattonIM: Yeah.
bjstrattonIM: I figured the seer wouldn't be so stupid as to reveal their role.
bjstrattonIM: Unless it was Q "proving" he's human.
TasselFoot: not q.
bjstrattonIM: ...
bjstrattonIM: -_-
bjstrattonIM: I don't even care anymore.
bjstrattonIM: If I die, so be it.
bjstrattonIM: I won't have to give a **** about this game anymore.
TasselFoot: but, i will let you know... that i said the alternative was in the back of my mind. Q being a wolf trying to pass as something else was what i was thinking.
bjstrattonIM: It doesn't matter.
bjstrattonIM: I'm fed up with the stupidity.

Not changing my vote because it's not going to matter at this point.

Go ahead, do whatever. I don't care. The sooner I no longer have to deal with this game, the better.

[blahblah18]

aww, that's sad... what's so bad about this game versus the ones you normally play in? I woudl like to know, and also to then maybe play in one of those games :)

[Cenright]

My vote is for Kilga. And dont even tell me I am a 'lemming'. I may have spoken to Tass, but you were in my suspicions way before that. How is it that LD's and Tassel's network came up with you as the same suspect as I did, while we were not even in cahoots?

You have been very close minded this game. Yes, you say that you listen to the rest of the others, but you don't hear what they say. Sure, be skeptical in the beginning, but after the initial time, you have to put at least some trust in someone who you feel might to be a little more trustable. This is a game about taking risks. Risk in killing those who are your allies, and risk in trusting