TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game Thread)

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

In other news I'm 90% convinced Gradiant is scum

I don't really feel comfortable assigning a number here but like, I agree with this conclusion aorn. The vote on ben yesterday doesn't feel like it lines up with his play all that well, it feels kind of like a lazy tack-on vote as antitown

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

Yes why?

I need to know this because I'm still trying to see what people are scumreading MML for because I cannot identify exactly what is causing scumreads on him.

MML posted scummy early on but his tone has been more town lately

however, all he's done is sheep for the most part so he's nullish? I'm having trouble placing him

[thesunfan]

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I think you totally rail on backpack if he's your teammate and outed without you two agreeing to it

why are you part of the reason he outs, because you pinged him out early on? just so you know I did that first

ok yes there's a chance I bus backpack this previous lTWG I both bussed him hard and tried my hardest to get him townread in separate games, and won both so it really depends on what I think I would do best.

Yes, I am part of the reason he outted, as are you. We both pushed on him. I don't remember who pushed on him first and I don't really care who did because I know I wasn't sheeping you and I don't think you would sheep me there.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

sunfan just seems very angry right now and that's not what I expected

I thought I sounded fake

[AragakiAyase]

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ok yes there's a chance I bus backpack this previous lTWG I both bussed him hard and tried my hardest to get him townread in separate games, and won both so it really depends on what I think I would do best.

Yes, I am part of the reason he outted, as are you. We both pushed on him. I don't remember who pushed on him first and I don't really care who did because I know I wasn't sheeping you and I don't think you would sheep me there.

I pinged him out and you said +1 or something to that matter, but I don't think you'd sheep me either there

once you're caught up I'd like to know who you think would be a good lynch aside from the obvious one

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

MML posted scummy early on but his tone has been more town lately

however, all he's done is sheep for the most part so he's nullish? I'm having trouble placing him

imo a new player as town would sheep town players

Gradiant was looking at MML because of being uncomfortable with the benguin lynch but iirc still voted. Other than that he was solely attentive on AA and I being a pair due to mindmelds

tl;dr gradiant is lazy when it comes to hunting and isn't putting effort in hunting

[AragakiAyase]

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gradiant said he was ok with botchi/rzr/MML, meaning he didn't want to lynch them

he was going to vote you but voted ben because ben switched his vote to MML

I do agree that it seems like he's being lazy though

[thesunfan]

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I pinged him out and you said +1 or something to that matter, but I don't think you'd sheep me either there

once you're caught up I'd like to know who you think would be a good lynch aside from the obvious one

we're lynching DBP this phase
Gradiant is my next highest after that.

I don't feel great saying too much beyond that. I'm probably going to end up rereading all of the first phase (probably tonight), because I feel like I don't have a good grasp on this game. I also was playing the first phase as if there was only one scumteam (plus the SK ofc but you know what I mean), simply because it is the most likely scenario, and that interfered with a few of my reads (mainly on DBP who based on his "use your imagination post" I read as a blue role. I said pretty clearly a few times last phase that I didn't think he was VT).

To elaborate on Gradiant, I'll have to check but I think he used "hnnnng" or some variation of that in the post where he voted for ben and I have a really dumb read rn that that specifically is kind of proselytizing because I haven't seen Jake use hnnnng in that context before (I've only seen him use it as the, like, nosebleed sound, if that makes sense).

Its probably dumb but its in addition to the rest of his vote post which I thought was really awkward.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

I think you should also look at botchi this phase and see what you think

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

gradiant said he was ok with botchi/rzr/MML, meaning he didn't want to lynch them

he was going to vote you but voted ben because ben switched his vote to MML

I do agree that it seems like he's being lazy though

His reasoning on me is so bad though

iirc it is because I'm a shitlord

Either that or he withheld his reasoning behind being suspicious of me

[AragakiAyase]

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yeah I'm just a bit tinfoil on gradiant because I don't really know his playstyle

[thesunfan]

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I hate what I am about to do with every fiber of my being, but I'm going to say it anyways.

I am going to outline the proper play for scum to do in this scenario if you are not on DBP's team. The reason I am doing this is so that town doesn't fuck up and give the werewolves the game on a fucking silver platter.

If we DO NOT LYNCH DBP, the optimal play is to NOT kill DBP. The reason for this is so that town HAS to lynch him at some point, basically guaranteeing a future lynch on someone that is not you or your teammate. Nightkilling him HURTS you as his partner is still able to make kills and he could already be lying (not that I think he is but its possible) about the results of his role. The info that town "gains" from his checks is pretty negligible, again, as I've said, because he could be lying, and because its a role centered around MAFIA gaining information so its not that strong for towns use anyways.

I almost never encourage talking about what the optimal play is for scum to do, but hopefully you guys can understand why I did it here.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

dbp

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

if we don't lynch mafia today town is pretty fucked

[thesunfan]

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@DBP, I know you outted with good intentions, I don't think you're a saboteur or anything like that.

But you fucked up. Don't do what you did. It ruins games.