El Paso and Dayton Shootings (SERIOUS TOPIC)

[DaBackpack]

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I miss you IRL
come visit sometime

I'll be in atlanta in October for a wedding, I'll let you know

(fuck georgia)

[choof]

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scapegoating mental illness is incredibly dangerous, not only does it increase the stigma of mental illness and decrease understanding and acceptance, but it paints a target on people with mental health issues and possibly incentivizes government agencies to start stripping rights away from them to try and keep normal people safe

1) Prevent political leaders with tiny hands and shitty toupees from tacitly supporting white nationalist rhetoric

comedic dead horse aside, perhaps we should prevent all political leaders from tacitly supporting white nationalist rhetoric

2) Make it harder for white supremacists to congregate online (that is, disrupt their communication channels)

this is one of the few things that the average internet nerd can actually play a direct role in
find the white supremacist hiding grounds and put em on blast

3) Increase the visibility of minority voices in the public discourse, in film, television. Normalizing the presence and experiences of minorities at least helps prevent radicalization in the child-development phase.

but "muh forced diversity"

ah well, there's nothing we can do, no possible way to change an existing document

touching or even implying that the second amendment should be changed is a shitshow just waiting to happen and I legitimately believe that if the second amendment was changed america would be thrown dangerously close to civil war

[the sun fan]

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touching or even implying that the second amendment should be changed is a shitshow just waiting to happen and I legitimately believe that if the second amendment was changed america would be thrown dangerously close to civil war

I was actually talking about part of the first amendment that guarantees all organizations the right to exist even if they're expressly racist/homophobic/etc

I don't disagree, I think that there would be huge riots if the 2nd amendment had any attempt to change it in the current time

maybe someday though

definitely not anytime soon

[choof]

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I was actually talking about part of the first amendment that guarantees all organizations the right to exist even if they're expressly racist/homophobic/etc

obviously this is a massive over simplification but couldn't you just reinterpret it in such a way that denies the right of shit like that to exist

[devonin]

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touching or even implying that the second amendment should be changed is a shitshow just waiting to happen and I legitimately believe that if the second amendment was changed america would be thrown dangerously close to civil war

Which should be, to all right thinking people, FUCKING TERRIFYING. Even a straight repeal of the 2nd amendment wouldn't actually DO ANYTHING. Taking away just the fact that the rights are not to be infringed upon does not actually infringe upon them.

Basically no country outside the USA has a constitutionally mandated right to bear arms, and yet in all of them you can bear arms. Canada has almost as many guns per person as the USA has, without a constitutional guarantee against any infringement. Our infringements are quite small.

Here's Canadian gun law in a nutshell:

1. You need a license. Getting one involves a background check and some interviews. you have to renew it every five years.

2. You need safety training.

3. If you want to own a firearm in the 'restricted' or 'prohibited' class of firearms, you have to go through a more robust step 1, and you have to register it.

That's basically it. There's more stuff around transporting/selling/moving restricted and prohibited guns, but for the primary purposes people need guns (hunting, sport shooting, farm defense) most kinds of rifle and shotgun are just "Get a license, get safety training, congratz you are a gun owner"

[the sun fan]

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obviously this is a massive over simplification but couldn't you just reinterpret it in such a way that denies the right of shit like that to exist

Ideally, yes, but its not going to happen
its impossible for a US court system to make that kind of ruling because its expressly worded in such a way that the very ruling would make no sense
and no legislature will change it anytime soon

so its stuck because of really stupid persistence

[mellonxcollie]

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Ideally, yes, but its not going to happen
its impossible for a US court system to make that kind of ruling because its expressly worded in such a way that the very ruling would make no sense
and no legislature will change it anytime soon

so its stuck because of really stupid persistence

There have already been amendments to the constitution

It might not make any sense based on the current laws, but if you're making an amendment then you're already abandoning the precedent

Prohibition was added and then tossed away with just amendments

[devonin]

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Yes and if you ask most Americans they will say that was good because the government took something away and then gave it back, as opposed to giving them something and then taking it away.

[mellonxcollie]

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Yes and if you ask most Americans they will say that was good because the government took something away and then gave it back, as opposed to giving them something and then taking it away.

That was still something given via an amendment... a long time ago, but still

[Funnygurl555]

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2) Make it harder for white supremacists to congregate online (that is, disrupt their communication channels)

so i'm fine with choof's suggestion of fucking w/ them by putting them on blast, but i wouldn't want any form of assembly-- even white supremacist ones-- to become illegal or disrupted through govt intervention

bad rabbit hole

[inDheart]

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privately held firms can (de)platform whoever they want

[flashflash account]

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I think devonins stoicism terrorism or whatever is right
And I have a pretty good idea of why the alt right is like gaining traction I just don't understand why you go to killing people
That's the part that baffles me, that isn't normal

[Funnygurl555]

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privately held firms can (de)platform whoever they want

i mean, i agree but i already voiced my personal disapproval of those decisions before :P

as in, its problematic that privately held firms have a big stake in platforming + modern day communication streams, to the point that speech is virtually thwarted without the services that these firms provide.

they do, and /should/ exercise their own individual rights to speech, but the issue i have is systematic

[the sun fan]

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There have already been amendments to the constitution

It might not make any sense based on the current laws, but if you're making an amendment then you're already abandoning the precedent

Prohibition was added and then tossed away with just amendments

ya but we Americans don't think that way, as sensible as it sounds

[choof]

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but i wouldn't want any form of assembly-- even white supremacist ones-- to become illegal or disrupted through govt intervention

bad rabbit hole

bad rabbit hole? to what? less discriminatory groups meeting up or, at the very least, them doing it in private? name three groups of people who would wrongfully be "disrupted" through government intervention if the government started cracking down on white supremacists or I'm posting a screenshot of this on r/enlightenedcentrism