TWG CXX: Villains United

[TWG Maleficent]

i honestly think either sid or darla could be a "seriously stupid villain"
but i'm also going to go ahead and say i'm a little scared of tonight since i called out auto d1

[TWG The Queen]

Originally Posted by TWG Darla

Okay Yzma and Auto are both heroes to me. (Go ahead Queen call me on my opinion change on Auto late phase)

sure thing LOL

[TWG Jafar]

Yeah I'm not crazy about putting sid up in top 3 heros.

Darla and Muntz sure.

[TWG Sid Phillips]

Why Muntz?

[TWG Maleficent]

also gonna go out on a limb and say auto flipping green clears jafar

[TWG Jafar]

Originally Posted by TWG Sid Phillips

Why Muntz?

Original wagons were darla/auto
Wagon was heading in auto's direction, and Queen's plan/general thread plan was to use the gun to shoot the top wagon (Auto)

Muntz changes the "rules" and says hey I'd like to shoot at the inactive pile instead.


Did he do this because of TMI? trying not to kill teammate?

[TWG Jafar]

Originally Posted by TWG Maleficent

also gonna go out on a limb and say auto flipping green clears jafar

Appreciate it, but why?

[TWG Sid Phillips]

Ah, I see.

[TWG Jafar]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

Original wagons were darla/auto
Wagon was heading in auto's direction, and Queen's plan/general thread plan was to use the gun to shoot the top wagon (Auto)

Muntz changes the "rules" and says hey I'd like to shoot at the inactive pile instead.


Did he do this because of TMI? trying not to kill teammate?

I still feel this way about Yzma too. Need to re-read her actual contributions to taking Auto down.

[TWG Captain Hook]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

Original wagons were darla/auto
Wagon was heading in auto's direction, and Queen's plan/general thread plan was to use the gun to shoot the top wagon (Auto)

Muntz changes the "rules" and says hey I'd like to shoot at the inactive pile instead.


Did he do this because of TMI? trying not to kill teammate?

I have to admit I thought it a little strange that he didn't want to just take out Auto with the gun since nearly everyone was in agreement that Auto needed to go.

[TWG Maleficent]

Originally Posted by TWG Jafar

Appreciate it, but why?

only because auto was claiming he wanted you dead

congratulations, though, because you reminded me of a good point:
i think auto was planning on dying beginning on d2 at the very latest
it is possible that he only named you to grant you a sort of safety net when he did die, since any accusations he made were likely to lose even more credibility after he flipped
his accusing you seemed a bit like an afterthought as well, since his main focus was tunneling me:

Originally Posted by TWG Auto

Secondly, Jafar tunneled Hook really hard all day, for, and I quote, "my own dastardly plans." If this is roleplay, it's really late roleplay, and if it's not, why the hell would he need "dastardly" plans if he was aligned with the villans?

[TWG Jafar]

So am I cleared or not cleared?

Your inconsistency is showing.

[TWG Maleficent]

i wanna say you're cleared because the logic which suggests you're a hero is a bit of a stretch

[TWG Charles Muntz]

Originally Posted by Me

What plan? Shooting Auto?
I have no fucking problem with it read again

That's one down so I'm reading back Auto's shit and there's already like 2 pages worth of premature reads wth. It's really easy to spawn suspicion upon a vigi when he goofs. You're doing that just now.
You could say the same out of everybody who supported my plan and it's a pretty wide pool so you can understand my position and how I'm confused about it.

[TWG Yzma]

Sid why didn't you want to vote Darla earlier? I'm not sure if we asked earlier

[TWG Sid Phillips]

Originally Posted by TWG Yzma

Sid why didn't you want to vote Darla earlier? I'm not sure if we asked earlier

I saw that there was a lot of heat directed on her when she entered the thread and I thought that felt a bit off

[TWG Gantu]

Alright, so I've gone back with the powers of knowing I nailed one Hero for slipups around them, and I'm going to risk trying again to suggest why I am suspecting TWG The Queen of being a Hero.

So for starters, we have Charles coming out as holding a gun...at this time, the lead two for votecount are Hades and Auto, confirmed now as both heros. At that time, people are advocating for shooting one of the two of them for the info of the flip, and now she is going

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

charles save ur gun for a day 3 #headshot

talking him OUT of hitting a Hero or a Hero.

Then suggests:

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

hades wagon sketching me out a tiny tiny bit for the same reason as hans wagon d1 but i like the early voters and someones gotta die. hades time for u to choke!!!! let this be the one plz

Hero team, realising one or both of them was going to die, saw Auto switch to Hades, since Auto had the best other cover, and once that happened, The Queen immidiately goes to "Welp, kill Hades, now!" which hopefully pushed the lynch fast enough that the gun wouldn't drop them both.

People end up talking more about Auto in the wake of the Hades lynch, and a mention gets this:

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

show ur work

When she starts to push on people, she comes out with this great gem:

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

Maleficent, i get to make pushes without giving reasons because nobody is pressuring me, which means heroes dont think they can get me lynched. i can show my work if i have to but right now im in a position where i can demand essays from other ppl and its pretty sweet

"Man isn't it great that the Heros don't think I can get lynched? It's so great that the heros, the ones I tried to move us away from possibly killing two at once, aren't going to get rid of me, wonder why not!"

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

some of the reasons given for suspecting auto make sense i think. hades and auto were the only 2 major wagons in d2 tho, so for auto to be a hero, pretty much all of those before hades/auto turn on each other have to be from villa. not sure how plausible i think that is, sounds unlikely on paper but i havent actually reread to see what i think #LAZY

MAN THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE BOTH HEROES! oh wait, they both totally were. My logic completely makes sense and is no way an attempt to keep a lynch or gun away from Auto!

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

i dont think im crazy about having auto or yzma die next

Lets not kill Auto...

Originally Posted by TWG The Queen

i guess auto is the lynch, if ur not making a huge push somewhere else then save ur breath for later

Welp, Auto's dead, better accept it, and start to cover my tracks.


I know this isn't nearly as damning as the logic on Auto, and I'm willing to hear a response from The Queen, but it looks to me like a similar failure of consistancy combined with actions that seemed individually reasonable at the time, but knowing that The Queen would know Hades and Auto were both heros looks a lot more like Hero behavior to me.

[TWG Gantu]

Hehe guess i can't actually have voted there since it's night. Not used to night talking. Needless to say, if I'm alive come day, that vote will be applied for those reasons.

[TWG Gantu]

Just wanted to get it all out there in case I get eaten.

[TWG Syndrome]

Everybody that was saying the first votes on Auto were stupid can fuck off

Originally Posted by TWG Charles Muntz

I'm going either Sid or Yzma but I'm more inclined to saying Sid as a strong pair. Again, it's Yzma/Syndrome for me.

I love how you keep bringing up Yzma/me, yet only talk about Yzma. If you don't have shit on me, why mention me?

Are you mistaking sid for me? You bring up Sid and then bring up me, and it's confusing me.

I also haven't ruled you out for hero. It would explain why you didn't die in the night when the thread knew you had a gun, and explain the wanting to go off a list of some inactives instead of one of the top lynch targets (one of which is proven to be a hero now, and Darla is a strong candidate still). I'm thinking that none of the heroes are the inactives and you used the gun on one of them so that the eventual villain flip would not incriminate you.

Originally Posted by TWG Yzma

Next up! Sid and Darla! My top leads for heroes. We'll see about a third

Cool stuff.