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  • XelNya
    [Kaho]
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Sep 2012
    • 3369

    #841
    Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

    A little bit of a redo. I was being dumb earlier. I did get a little lazy near the end due to getting tired tho admittedly.

    1. rzr

    Originally posted by rzr
    Good to see people posting, tiloco and helphelp. I'm reading things watching but on phone for the weekend :/

    I think if skg doesn't attempt to break character or at least be productive he is an excellent start
    Originally posted by rzr
    Dap's been pinging v pretty consistently
    Town lean for multiple stuff like this.


    2. Red Blaster - Kinda gonna have null / slight scum lean at this point. There's nothing to do here. Literally.

    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    Sup duders
    Kay entrance nothing bad
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    Tell him how Tokzic's death makes him look scummy
    Ok, can argue a joke here. I mean like I think it's funny.
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    haku

    <3
    Ok cool, a vote to kinda placehold, avoid phantom, shoots shit and isn't on a hard pressed user, w/e.
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    100% of the time blame the new people
    Post is weird. There's a tone of joke here but like, there's no reason to say this here?
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    What a game
    Nope.
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    Obligatory Xel vote because I haven't seen you in a few games
    Wait, still completely shooting shit?
    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    Also The Division beta kicks off in like an hour so that's where my weekend is going.
    No one cares.

    - Skipping more nonsense at this point.

    Originally posted by Red Blaster
    In the 500 or so posts since my last has anything actually happened or can I assume it's all bs and not read it?
    Like, where is the content here? What is there to do with here?

    RB this is not how you normally play and Osu tourney or not get your ass in here and be the normal cheese cake would you.




    4. Vendetta21

    It's literally nothing.


    5. XelNya

    REDQUACKTED


    6. Xiz

    Originally posted by Xiz
    Yes. "With a Little Help from My Friends", this is a good way to catch some easy wolves.

    Usually novice wolves will give a list of three people who either they want to ping out, who they think are wolves, or people who are of interest to them. Usually, they will place their partner as the #2 name out of 3 or 4 total to blend in. I'm positive everyone here as a wolf has subconsciously done this before. It might not seem like much but actually it's very telling. If I catch someone doing this, and start to pressure but really not do anything to their target like voting or hard pressuring, then I will end up voting for them "Eight Days a Week".
    Yes...
    Originally posted by Xiz
    "In Spite of All the Danger", here is a super hot read.

    If zenith is a wolf, redblaster is not on the wolf team with him. It's the classic rule of the 2nd name listed.

    (if you dont follow, let me know i'll describe)
    Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
    Originally posted by Xiz
    This is important. Totally missed this at first but he brings up a really good point. I might just be a "Beautiful Dreamer" here, think of how town xel would react to zenith's statement here. Xel is known for having unconventional thoughts, but this totally fits his normal town mindset.

    I almost wanna swap my vote to zenith but I still want more votes on helphelp and make him "Twist and Shout" first.
    1
    Me unconventional? NAH. I just think in terms of what I was saying it should be more commonsense and most people who use the "they're new" are just being fucking lazy.
    Originally posted by Xiz
    Also, "All I've Got to Do" is look back at SGK's first post. it's really ballsy for a 1st time scum to (on his first vote) randomly throw out a vote onto V. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that SGK is town. "I Feel Fine" with most of what SGK's done but if he keeps saying "lol idk what im doing" then it will be "The End" for him.
    Ballsy sure

    does it earn a free pass

    come on, you know it doesn't

    Just, if ya'll wanna sail with it, do so. Ya'll do you.

    I just think the thought process is lacking in actual thought for what happens if they're not as new as we think they are

    I don't wanna see someone noobie ever walk away with a free utr win

    'cause you gotta remember

    we nightstarted

    there was easily time for scin or what's their name later in this list, to have gotten some subtle points of how to use their noob status to their advantage.

    you guys don't exactly fucking make it rocket science, I'd almost argue some of you make it too easy

    and I'm not saying you're being dumb, or that I completely disagree, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I did.

    Originally posted by Xiz
    (Also lol my previous post completely disagrees with XelNya, hopefully he will still "Love Me, Do" you think so?)
    If you get this reference without looking it up, consider us good

    "Love me, love me, love me do! Give me, give me, give me hug!"

    There's no reason in particular I picked this other than I love this song.

    Well, the cover of it.


    7. DaBackPack

    Not even gonna warrent explaining why dbp is the towniest person so far. I'm weary but you can have my trust for now. You're doing all the things, along with V.


    8. Hakulyte

    Originally posted by Hakulyte
    Oh hey, I'm back. XelNya, what are you trying to do with this game?
    Being dumb.
    Originally posted by Hakulyte
    Vendetta, have you thought of ways that we could make the others interact so we can start gathering information in a more efficient way? I don't like the whole "wait it out and see what happens" aspect of this game. It's been providing too little content. I feel like we need to do slightly more aggressive things to make the game progress.
    Huh, now that I do some rereading, you look better than I remembered.


    9. cedolad

    Shit posts many shit posts shit shit shit shit shit shit


    10. botchi246



    In an attempt to condense this whole post a little

    Originally posted by botchi246
    can you explain that logic xiz???
    good

    Originally posted by botchi246
    basically this. there is no work getting done here with all this weird charu
    good

    Originally posted by botchi246
    Im not being scared into a xel lynch. Although i do believe one of them is scum now. Need more time and posts to work with though so i can solidify a read
    any return to this thought?

    we no lynch you for now, but would like to see a return to that last thought


    12. reuben_tate

    I'm watching you. I'm not leaning you either way, but, when you come back would be neat to see some reads


    13. Charu

    I said it earlier and let me say it again. My money is that you're SK or town.

    I say the town because of the DFR interaction.


    14. tiloco217

    Originally posted by tiloco217
    I'm kinda surprised there are this many people in thread right now tbh. Expected to see 3ish
    Ok keepin an eye out for lurkers, neat.
    Originally posted by tiloco217
    care to explain? never played a forum game with him but he seemed pretty good in live
    I actually missed this post, my apologies.

    Tokzic N0 is curious because while yes he is a good player, he can flop just as hard. There's no reason not to prioritize someone who has higher chances of being productive this game when you have zero information out the gate. Chances are Tokzic would get himself lynched. There's no reason to kill him there. But I will admit Tokzic is fuckin' scary scum.

    Like just I'm sorry, but there are better N0s, and even then, there are safer ones like say Reuben Tate who tbh would be a better choice even.

    Long story short I think there were many other targets that might have been more worth while.

    This tells me I think we're dealing with someone who has played more often, or at least made the guiding argument to reach this choice.

    And this is all entirely based on the fact we KNOW they had no information other than who they're partner is, I know there's something to make of it.

    But uh, it's kinda hard to start getting there.

    Sorry if it's a bit of rambling, but it's more just a free flow of my thought process. I find the pick curious. I can't justify myself why I'd pick him. Given the roster and the information they'd have. So it's interesting to me.

    Originally posted by tiloco217
    I got a lot of null reads right now. Doesn't help that I have no way to use meta reads on anyone so all I can really read is reactions and even that is sketchy. helphelp v. SKG and V v. DBP helped a lot though.

    I think that helphelp v. SKG is tvt. I don't think that SKG would lean on his character as much as he is if he was wolf, at least not as a new player. helphelp I'm less sure about but I don't think he would back off of SKG so quickly as mafia. As mafia I think it's easier to keep blindly pushing until they either have a good response or die.

    I'm pretty sure that V v. DBP was tvw and that DBP is the mafia. The way he was asking for V to give more information was like "Bro, I know your town but I can't just follow you blindly. Now I think Xel is town but if you say the right things..." Seems to me like he wanted to side with V to start a train against Xel but didn't want to just flip his reads. It got even weirder when he said that he didn't even have a town lean on V and that he the way he reads V is when he offers up more information then he needs to. If that was what he was looking for then he wouldn't try to force him to give out the information. That makes V and Xel town by association but I don't really have a read on either of them.

    I also remember thinking that Haku was town when I was reading the thread last night but I don't remember why at this point. I'll look back through his posts at some point before EOD tomorrow.

    I'll probably be here the rest of the night so feel free to ask some questions.
    I don't agree with your analasys of V vs dbp. I think that was TvT foir sure.

    And the entire reasoning is V's tone and dbp general approach to the game thus far.

    But at least, there's something. Very much not worth lynching you today.


    15. danceflashrevo

    See charu. You got an interaction that leaves me content with you.


    16. helphelp11

    You kinda suffer in my eyes like benguin does

    I need more to make a really informed choice because the good things I like are older and a new pov might appear x.x'


    17. Sinistrosuede Forced to a null read here. There's like one post even worth talking about which is the first one.

    Originally posted by Sinistrosuede
    Mmm, long threads. Delicious. Time to end my post-sitting and actually type jazz.

    Newb pressure is fine. xD I should have posted sooner anyway. >.> I like rzr's thing about having fun more than "proving is human". That said. I'mma be more diligent now that I'm getting the gist of how this forum works.
    Originally posted by Sinistrosuede
    All the fire. o-o

    Desu is desu desu.
    Originally posted by Sinistrosuede
    Ooh, all the finger pointings.



    First Wife Red Blaster. o-o And doesn't that mean DaPackback might murdify the First Wife? The table's have turnt.


    Hopefully they got a grasp of how the forums work and can finally come do something?

    18. _Zenith_

    Come back.

    19. SKG_Scintill

    Originally posted by SKG_Scintill
    Honestly...
    I didn't even meet your, like, conditions and stuff? and still you unvoted me?
    You're totals trying to not look suspishoes.
    good point

    but there's nothing here rly. Yah got the brain for this, don't tell me you don't

    dat null doe


    But uh yeah let's pick a person who I wanna see actually deliver something

    Reuben_Tate

    But in short

    I'm down for a RB lynch right about now.

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    • Hakulyte
      Galaxy Collapse says hi
      • Jul 2005
      • 4697

      #842
      Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

      Originally posted by XelNya
      I understood what you meant, except the point of me changing my tone. That "white noise" reads list is somewhat in line with my posting style this game from my pov, I don't understand how it doesn't match.
      I can easily answer that one for him. It doesn't match because he doesn't read your content, he reads your intents and they're out of sync with your other posts.

      Like if you take me by example, I may constantly post in different ways, but I'm always posting with the intent to make the game progress. You can always question me about "how is this relevant to game progression" and I should have an answer for you.

      What does it changes? It creates a consistency with my behavior and it's easier to trust me and get on my side or paint me as the evil guy and confidently vote against me. Trust is important because you need it to eventually group up with the other players and proceed to do a proper scumhunt without constantly worrying about being the target yourself.

      Since you're "playing dumb" it's invariably keeping you "Null" at best and may give you a "Scum" lean because of the lack of productive content.

      Your play is very similar to Charu's play in terms of aggression/content, but with Charu, there's eventually has to be a "productive" reason as to why he does what he's doing. He can't entirely go crazy the entire game blindly because we "will" have to lynch him for not helping the game enough objectively. In your case, it's harder to defend you because we don't understand why someone Town would play like you do intent-wise.

      Another point, (that's not for you, but the game in general) - I don't think "It's Day 1" can justify everything. I also think that newbies should get targeted if there's enough reason to do so. They should still have the upper hand in the sense that while they don't know our meta, we don't know their metas either. So, they can ask players with game experience to help them against the other experienced players, but they can't get isolated and pinned down if they don't dramatically slip or get suspicious. We will eventually get reads on them and that's probably why generally we don't lynch them Day 1. However, if there's enough stuff piled up against one of them, they should get lynched just like everyone.

      E.g: Sinistrosuede it's nearly impossible to read because we don't know how to interpret his meta yet.

      I'm doing this because I'm pocketed to you. Basically, if you take the time to explain your intents and you do are Town, the truth(or at least our perception of what is really going on in the game) should eventually clear you up.

      The only reason why I want to believe in you is because your behavior is being inconsistent so, technically speaking, you really still could have rolled your alignment either way.

      If you can't even explain to us why you're Town tho, you're going to get in serious trouble very soon.

      Actually, EVERYONE in this thread should try to post and answer this question:

      "Why are you Town?"

      The longer your post, the better.

      Fake Edit: Your new read list by example is clearly showing us that you had a "change of intent" and it's a lot more Town-looking than your previous post. Can you explain us why these contrasts in your tone is happening XelNya? If you answer this question in a satisfactory way, you can gain trust from it. So, you do have a reason to take it seriously.

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      • Hakulyte
        Galaxy Collapse says hi
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        #843
        Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

        Actually, now that I've read your second read list entirely, you literally went from 0/10 to like 9/10 in terms of "fucks given". I'll gladly help you out if there's something you want me to do or give you thoughts about. Thanks for not making me regret wanting to pocket you after that Vendetta x XelNya talk right before this that kind of made you look bad tbh. This is probably your most redeeming post so far. Thank you for playing this game right.

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        • Hakulyte
          Galaxy Collapse says hi
          • Jul 2005
          • 4697

          #844
          Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

          Also, I'm going to work in 1 hour.
          I will not be able to come back before EoD.

          That's important because people always starts getting more active close to EoD and if someone has something against me, I will not be able to be here to defend myself.

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          • Hakulyte
            Galaxy Collapse says hi
            • Jul 2005
            • 4697

            #845
            Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

            XelNya, your "reuben_tate" vote doesn't count because it's in a spoiler tag. If you actually want to vote someone, you have to post it without it being in a spoiler tag.

            I learned this in a previous game. >:

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            • Hakulyte
              Galaxy Collapse says hi
              • Jul 2005
              • 4697

              #846
              Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

              My time is now up for Day 1.

              gl with EoD guys, I can't post anymore gtg.

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              • helphelp11
                FFR Player
                • Mar 2015
                • 230

                #847
                Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                Xel, why switch to a reuben vote from Zenith? I thought you didn't like Zenith the most this game because of the "new players should not be ignored" thing.

                Highest AAA: Clockwork Gearman (45) (Sightread)
                Highest SDG: Trobbel (56) (6-1-0-1)
                Highest FC: Love Coloured Master Spark (LUV2 Remix) (65)


                Highest AAA: Pointless Fast Rap (was 45) (Sightread)
                Highest Blackflag: F (was 33) Well, this is awkward...
                Highest SDG: Cheat Codes (was 55) (4-1-0-1)
                Highest FC: We Killed The Rave (was 63)
                2016-01-21 - Reached D3



                Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                banned because michael phelps11!!11!!1!!!

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                • helphelp11
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 230

                  #848
                  Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                  Was it because you ended pressuring him, as it was most likely night for him and he wouldn't respond?

                  Highest AAA: Clockwork Gearman (45) (Sightread)
                  Highest SDG: Trobbel (56) (6-1-0-1)
                  Highest FC: Love Coloured Master Spark (LUV2 Remix) (65)


                  Highest AAA: Pointless Fast Rap (was 45) (Sightread)
                  Highest Blackflag: F (was 33) Well, this is awkward...
                  Highest SDG: Cheat Codes (was 55) (4-1-0-1)
                  Highest FC: We Killed The Rave (was 63)
                  2016-01-21 - Reached D3



                  Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                  banned because michael phelps11!!11!!1!!!

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                  • _Zenith_
                    Accuracy Player
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 4629

                    #849
                    Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                    Originally posted by XelNya
                    Let me iterate where I'm at for the sake of sharing

                    1. rzr - who are you again
                    2. Red Blaster - who are you again
                    4. Vendetta21
                    5. XelNya this guy. fuck this guy. scum.
                    6. Xiz - who are you again
                    7. DaBackPack - shut up and take my town lean for now. You been playin' hard townie and if I have to explain how he's been doing this to anyone, just go reread his goddamned post history.
                    8. Hakulyte - who are you again
                    9. cedolad - huh, you haven't replaced out yet.
                    10. botchi246 - who are you again
                    12. reuben_tate - who are you again
                    13. Charu - I wanna entertain the notion you're SK because that'd be fitting, but very easily wrong. I highly doubt it, but man oh man, I'd be mad. lol yer prob town tho
                    14. tiloco217 - alright entrance, wanna see where you go with it
                    15. danceflashrevo - who are you again
                    16. helphelp11 - who are you again
                    17. Sinistrosuede - who are you again
                    18. _Zenith_ - get back in here yah bastard, I wanna mess with you a bit
                    19. SKG_Scintill - who are you again

                    you know why I post this?

                    as a demonstration that, for the most part, a lot of us ain't doing shit worth mentioning

                    including myself

                    Zenith you little bitch come in here and do me a thing or two would you?

                    I wanna clear me out some easy clears before I get forced to vote while at work with minimal reading

                    I wanna see if benguin and haku got an input as well~

                    Also scin gonna ask

                    you got any thoughts on anything to share
                    yo just woke up whatcha need?





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                    • _Zenith_
                      Accuracy Player
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 4629

                      #850
                      Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                      wait really I missed 7 pages and that was it?????

                      wow.





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                      • Xiz
                        TWG Chaos
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 3399

                        #851
                        Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                        (Today is Daytona500 party day, afk for most of day. Will be back at end day)

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                        • XelNya
                          [Kaho]
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 3369

                          #852
                          Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          XelNya, your "reuben_tate" vote doesn't count because it's in a spoiler tag. If you actually want to vote someone, you have to post it without it being in a spoiler tag.

                          I learned this in a previous game. >:
                          That's uh, actually news to me because I've read the rules a few times, and I don't think I've ever seen it in there.

                          and upon a quick re-skim via search and quick glance it's not in there

                          so, that's not a rule and therefore if it doesn't count the host is full of it

                          And the OP doesn't say otherwise either

                          So uh, either the rule thread needs to be updated *HINT HINT* or that's just not an actual rule

                          and yes I am in fact 100% content being that guy.

                          But someone is gonna say it's more an unspoken rule so here

                          Reuben_Tate

                          It's not like I was trying to hide my vote, and I don't even understand the intent of such a rule in the first place tbh.

                          but w/e. Side tangent done.

                          Originally posted by helphelp11
                          Xel, why switch to a reuben vote from Zenith? I thought you didn't like Zenith the most this game because of the "new players should not be ignored" thing.
                          I don't like it when anyone does it

                          But it seems to be a moot thing, so why continue with it?

                          I can camp the crap out of it for the whole game, but it's not as productive. Might as well move on to other things.

                          Originally posted by _Zenith_
                          yo just woke up whatcha need?
                          Dank reads and memes is what I needs

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                          • _Zenith_
                            Accuracy Player
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 4629

                            #853
                            Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD



                            Reads really haven't changed

                            I was interested in Xiz's theory about the people I wanted to ping, and it seems valid, but he'll be assured wrong when the time comes

                            helphelp is a bit sketch imo and likewise to dfr so perhaps those reads changed slightly

                            V-DBP is interesting and deserves the reread before EoD and again during the next day phase because it can yield more information as night develops





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                            • XelNya
                              [Kaho]
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 3369

                              #854
                              Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                              Originally posted by Hakulyte
                              Fake Edit: Your new read list by example is clearly showing us that you had a "change of intent" and it's a lot more Town-looking than your previous post. Can you explain us why these contrasts in your tone is happening XelNya? If you answer this question in a satisfactory way, you can gain trust from it. So, you do have a reason to take it seriously.
                              I disagree that it was a change of intent

                              The intent of that "white noise" reads list was to publicly state where I was in the game.

                              Then V said something about it and it annoyed me so I went and did some rereading

                              and I discovered I was being really dumb. There was more to work with than what I thought.

                              I got what I needed out of posting it. It served a purpose, I'm happy to have said it.

                              Originally posted by Hakulyte
                              I can easily answer that one for him. It doesn't match because he doesn't read your content, he reads your intents and they're out of sync with your other posts.
                              Wanna say I probably don't think that through when posting.

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                              • XelNya
                                [Kaho]
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 3369

                                #855
                                Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

                                Originally posted by _Zenith_


                                Reads really haven't changed

                                I was interested in Xiz's theory about the people I wanted to ping, and it seems valid, but he'll be assured wrong when the time comes

                                helphelp is a bit sketch imo and likewise to dfr so perhaps those reads changed slightly

                                V-DBP is interesting and deserves the reread before EoD and again during the next day phase because it can yield more information as night develops

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